User talk:Shafi3i

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Salaam, --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 04:53, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spam

Please do not spam links to your website. I will be removing all the links to sunna.info. Zora 03:35, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shafi3i, it's nice to know that you aren't linkspamming for your own site. Nonetheless, it is simply NOT a good idea to impose your grand plan on all the Islam related articles, by linking to a website that you favor. I know that a lot of the links in the less-visited Islamic articles are a mess -- people just add their favorite websites willy-nilly. But that's no reason to make it even more of a mess.

If the articles are one-sided, the place to correct that is in the article. Since we try to be NPOV, Neutral Point Of View, the usual way to handle disagreements is statements of the form "X believe that A, but Y believe that B". If you can state A and B in such a neutral way that both X and Y have to agree that yes, that is what X and Y believe, you've succeeded. This is very hard work and it typically takes a fair amount of time and discussion to reach the NPOV state. Many of the smaller articles haven't received this level of attention. People tend to fight over the big articles, like Islam and Muhammad, and kooks and POV warriors run amok in the smaller articles.

Instead of just adding links, how about helping us NPOV the Islam-related articles? We want them to be so neutral that Sunni and Shi'a, Salafi and Sufi, traditionalists and liberals, can all agree that they're accurate. It is very hard work and there aren't enough people doing it. Nevertheless, in the current state of the world, being accurate about Muslims is very important -- and difficult. Zora 04:30, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's one thing to add a link to ONE article, but linking your sect's site to as many Islamic articles as you can is linkspamming. It's not OK. Please stop before an admin has to stop you. Zora 04:47, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Muslim no woman yes

You made those assumptions because of my username <g>. I use a common Muslima name and edit Islam-related articles, so lots of people assume that I'm a Muslima. I am a woman (an older woman, a mom, which may be why I'm so bossy), but I'm editing the Islam articles just because I find the subject interesting. I often find myself in the middle of things, because while I am not a Muslim, I believe strongly in fairness to Muslims (all Muslims, not just one group). We've had a bad start, but I hope we can work together. Zora 18:43, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Need help at Ibn Taymiya

The article is a mess. It's been worked over by Salafi editors for whom English is a second language, with occasional intrusions of text by anti-Salafi editors. Currently one anonymous anti-Salafi is replacing the article with a diatribe about Ibn Taymiya being a heretic.

Someone added a notice to the talk page for that article saying that the Arabic Wikipedia had a good article on Ibn Taymiya which had been a featured article. If that article is good, could you translate it into English? That would certainly help!

I would hope that the article gives both the pro and anti Salafi views a dispassionate hearing. Any non-Muslims reading the article should learn that he is not universally accepted. Zora 21:43, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I rewrote the Ibn Taymiya article just as a placeholder. It probably has less detail than the article in the Arabic Wiki, but at least it is NPOV now (or as close as I could come to it). IF the Arabic article is NPOV, it can replace mine. If you think it isn't, do a quick translation and post it on the talk page, and then we'll see if we can mix the best parts of the two articles. Um, all that when you get back. At least the "emergency" part of it is over, as the anon is satisfied with my version. Have a good trip! Zora 09:44, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tawheed

Shafi3i, please review my posts at Talk:Tawhīd. I want to see your proof/references that the three aspects of Tawhid are limited to the Salafi madhab. And, please post your references at Talk:Tawhīd. I have already posted my own references and explanations. --JuanMuslim 08:32, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Ramadan

Have a very happy Ramadan. Salaam, a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 23:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]