User:Who/Discussion log/August 2005

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August 2005[edit]

Jtkiefer's RFA[edit]

Thanks for your support on my RFA. Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 05:27, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Women composers[edit]

Okay, that was a rather strange reaction. This should be subject of an RFC or CENT or something, just like GBLT things etc. R adiant _>|< 13:16, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/American lawyers[edit]

Hi, yes an anon created the sub-page for a Cfd. We do not use individual sub-pages, so I moved the entry to the correct place here. This page is not needed, and will not be used. I understand it has history, but it should not have been created, and if there is a way to merge the history with the 28 Aug Cfd page, then that will be fine too. Thanks. ∞Who ?¿? 20:59, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I moved it to a subpage of the log page and left a note at its talk page. There's no need to go to the trouble of merging page histories (which would also look weird on the history, since it's not a straight copy-and-paste move). --cesarb 21:05, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza[edit]

Hello, I'm trying to show some people off my friends list a new society, somewhat similar to WP:KC, Esperanza. Its still in its early stages but nonetheless I'd appreciate it were you to join. R e dwolf24 (talk) 06:23, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

mentioned you[edit]

Hi - Just thought I'd let you know I mentioned you at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(assistance)#Categories a few days ago (in case you hadn't seen). The work you do is very appreciated. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:39, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the note. No I hadn't had a chance, power out, and I have not visiting VP as much as I should. Thanks for the support and compliment. Cheers. ∞Who ?¿? 22:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

WoW[edit]

That's the least I could do to show my appreciation. I was "busy" watching a football game while Willy attack our Wikipedia. I really think that someone needs to get on the developer's case. In fact, I think I'll go straight to Jimbo. Cheers, Bratsche^{talk 5 pillars} 04:07, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You[edit]

I hereby award you the **RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar** for your heroic efforts in repairing and repelling the Willy on Wheels vandal — Bratsche^{talk 5 pillars} (KC)

Hurricane[edit]

Ok, I have to ask: What are you doing in Southern FL in the middle of a hurricane? Of course, if you live there, just smack me. --Kbdank71 20:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

<smack> hehe.. yup, Ft lauderdale. Over at sisters house right now, still no power and i shut off my ups cuz my lcd tv sucks a lot of juice. was gonna move my rv over so i can use the generator in it,but a tree fell over and is blocking it. Oh well. ∞Who?¿? 19:52, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
- Well, good luck weathering this one out. Ha ha, get it? Weathering? I kill me. --Kbdank71 20:12, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
  - Hehe its hard to find friends with such good of humor ;-) ∞Who ?¿? 20:15, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Stay safe, though Katrina has probably moved on to the Panhandle by now... (I know how no power feels, I weathered Charley, Frances, and Jeanne in Orlando last year (groan)) Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 22:18, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
- thanks. Yea a trailer got squished not far from mine, but i'm fine. i have a generator, just waiting for trees to be moved to get to it.. ∞Who?¿? 22:20, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
  - You're using your generator to run a computer?! Keep the AC and fridge on! (he he, just joking)... anyways, good luck. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 23:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
    - Actually, no not yet. Over at sis's house, my generator is blocked in by another tree, so have no power at my house :( ∞Who ?¿? 02:21, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Please UNBLOCK me, I am NOT willy[edit]

I was assisting in the reverts of the latest moves. check my user history, or ask around.. Thanks. ∞Who ?¿? 18:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I know. Working on it. --Kbdank71 18:52, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
- Dahnk you!!!! At least I know what it does when you get blocked now. ∞Who?¿? 18:54, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
  - No problem. It was luck that I saw it. I was going to undelete millennial wikipedians (see my talk page for why), and I saw you were blocked. Although I would have seen when I checked my watchlist... --Kbdank71 18:59, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about that, it was careless of me. -- Curps 18:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

S'ok :) ∞Who ?¿? 18:58, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Willy on Wheels vandal[edit]

I, Dbraceyrules, hereby award you this WikiDefender Barnstar for blocking off a Willy on Wheels incarnate.

Take care,

D. J. Bracey (talk) 15:36, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, I give them to both of you all. Take care,

D. J. Bracey (talk) 16:03, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Stuff[edit]

When you stated I was permently banned you should perhaps know theat I was banned by Jimmy Wales because he has problems understanding words. If you doubt me ask him for a copy of the IRC log. I will however continue to contribute to Wikipedia as I see fit and as the rules allow me todo. I most definteltly will not be being confined by illinformed people, who don't actually know the facts. Irate____ I will abide by the rules but I will not respect them. jwales then you are now permanently banned from wikipedia jwales goodbye Irate____ do you under stand what abide actually means. I know I can't spell but atleast I now what words I.m using mean. jwales doesn't matter jwales I get the picture jwales you won't change your attitude jwales you'll continue flaming people as much as you can get away with under your twisted interpretations of th rules jwales you have no intention to adhere to a higher standard of behavior jwales so, you're gone jwales sorry Irate____ I'll stick to the riles but I won;t like them is not enough for you? jwales this is a private community jwales not at all jwales not even close

If anyone want the full script I will be happy to provide it, in order to prevent Wales continued dishonesty.--CIrate 12:21, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Category:Articles to check for link ordering[edit]

Hi, thanks for all of your previous help. I noticed your pearle code dumps some of the bad interwiki links here. I am not familiar with all or most of the interwiki links, haven't done anything with them yet. What do i need to check for and correct to fix theses? I noticed the category says only HTML should be comingled, I assume that may mean there are characters that do not belong. Thanks again. ∞Who ?¿? 19:54, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

For now I have disabled this check in my bot, until I further understand what interwiki links need to be fixed and how. I cleaned up the ones it stuck in this directory. Can I get a copy of the langlist that it references in the code? I did a search but didn't find it. Thanks. ∞Who ?¿? 02:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to document that. I just added the following to User:Pearle/pearle-documentation.txt:

If running on a Wikimedia site, you must download http://www.wikimedia.org/langlist on a regular basis and somehow load it into $langlist in fixCategoryInterwiki() instead of /home/beland/wikipedia/pearle-wisebot/langlist.

The tag will get added if:

There is a link to a foreign-language wiki that is not in langlist. This may mean it is supposed to canonicalize to a different wiki (try following the link or viewing the unaltered page and find out), it may mean that someone made a typo, or it may mean that you haven't updated langlist recently.
There is prohibited text below the first category or interwiki tag. Prohibited text is anything that isn't whitespace, a stub tag, another category or interwiki tag, or an HTML comment on the same line as an allowed tag. Usually this happens when someone puts a category link at the top of the article, or adds a new section below the category links. You just need to put the category links below all the text of the article, interwiki links below that, and stub tags at the very end. That will make the article conform to style conventions (as required by the charter on User:Pearle) and prevent the flag from being added if the article is automatically edited in the future.

I hope that helps. -- Beland 03:02, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and this is also triggered by {{subst:vfd}} because that template contains a category reference. In this case, just remove the flag; it's a false alarm. -- Beland 03:05, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Cheers[edit]

Sorry for not responding earlier. I've removed the temporary test template... not sure why I added it. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:52, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

WikiBreak[edit]

Yeah I was pissed when I typed up that goodbye note but then I realized... My friends outnumber my vandals :) Thanks for the beer, I've added it to my Awards. Redwolf24 23:21, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Template:Seabhcan[edit]

with Seabhcán

Do you still use this template? It looks like a templatized version of ~~~~. I wanted to ask you to userfy it, rather than me putting it on WP:TFD. Thanks. ∞Who ?¿? 09:36, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I just deleted it. Thanks. Seabhcán 09:54, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

re: CFD index[edit]

The bot will be now adding the index automatically to any subpages that are 7 days old. --AllyUnion (talk) 20:06, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

No consensus[edit]

Forgot to tell you my newest idea. When marking discussions as no consensus, I was going to put in parenthesis (No change). Too many times people have complained because not one person voted to keep (perhaps a mix of deletes and renames), and since it was closed as "No consensus (keep)", they get a little peeved. I figure if it's marked as "No consensus (no change)", it'll go a little farther in explaining why nothing happened to the category. Of course, since you're beating me to the punch now on most of the discussions, this may be a moot point. :) --Kbdank71 13:16, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Thats a good idea, and I was actually thinking/hoping that you would change any closures that I did that you fealt was in err. I sleep most of the day, so I figured I would just do the weekend ones and some of the weekly's, not to take your entire fun ;) Plus I pretty much figure you would check over all the ones I do anyways, or at least hope you would, thats why I dont archive them. The only thing I was slightly concerned about, was me listing them in cleanup, if they arent deleted, you wouldnt know which ones needed to be done, well w/o looking in the cfd history. As far as mistakes on that part, I figured they could be undeleted if need be. ∞Who ?¿? 18:13, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

CFR[edit]

I'm not sure if I like it, because frequently alternate naming is suggested in the CFR discussion. But I suppose there's no harm in this. R adiant _>|< 08:01, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

re: congrats[edit]

Thanks. I've tried out delete on some of the emptied cats. I guess if you get in my way I can try out block :) (I seriously doubt I'll be doing much blocking - it's a little disturbing actually - the block button shows up right next to talk next to the user name on every entry on my watchlist). -- Rick Block (talk) 19:27, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure it asks for confirm, and I have no doubt that it works. Just seems like it shouldn't come up enough to warrant being so in my face. But, thanks for the offer. -- Rick Block (talk) 19:34, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

I'm actually a classic kind of guy. I assume I could find it there, too, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort. Thanks for the suggestion (and the support). -- Rick Block (talk) 19:45, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

latest CfD day entry[edit]

Hi - Did you mean for the August 21 CfD day header to be in a new format? It would affect the CfD indexer tool I wrote (but not user:HopeSeekr of xMule's). I've been thinking about changing my shell version to use the raw wikisource (which would fix it). Just curious. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:51, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

My bad - I saw you'd added the link to the main CfD file, and that the day file had no entries yet and assumed it was as you'd added it (without checking the history). It probably doesn't actually make much difference, and the new format is technically better (since it displays according to the user's date format preference). Do you know of anything that depends on the existing format? -- Rick Block (talk) 03:23, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Do you know about user:HopeSeekr of xMule's CfD indexer? The July alphabetical index and all the indices by date were generated by his version (a compiled C++ program). I happened to see a mention of it on Beland's talk page. HopeSeekr and I have talked about it a bit (I haven't seen his source). -- Rick Block (talk) 03:46, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know, the only functional difference is that HopeSeekr's version also generates the "by date" index (which I'm not entirely sure is tremendously useful). S/he was not aware of my version and independently created another one. Being a compiled C++ program, it may well run much faster but since 99% of the real time when running it is spent fetching the by day articles I don't actually think the execution speed matters very much. As I say, s/he and I have talked some. I'm not sure we agree, but I think collaborating on one that uses the raw wikisource (rather than the generated HTML) and is a script (rather than a compiled program) is the right answer. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:32, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Pearle update[edit]

Hi, I'm trying to run a test run with your Pearle script, but I don't know why It's giving me this specific error. getPage(User:Who/Test1): Null text! It's receiving the page, and putting it in the log file. I uncommented the test section, so its only running that sub, but I didn't see anything to indicate having to use command aruguments, so I am just running it w/o any. I see where its dumping it:

if (($text =~ m/^\s*$/)
	    and ($::nullOK ne "yes"))
	{
	    myLog ("getPage($target): Null text!\n");
	    myLog "\n---\n$reply\n---\n";
	    die ("getPage($target): Null text!\n");
	}

As if you already didn't know that :), but its been awhile since I've written perl code, so I'm not getting the if (($text =~ m/^\s*$/) argument. What is it looking for, or have you updated the code since any more s/w upgrades? Appreciate any help, thanks. ~~Whobot 21:34, 20 August 2005 (UTC)~~ Oops, meant to sign it as me.. ∞Who ?¿? 21:36, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

There was a site change yesterday that tweaked the HTML on the "edit" page in a way that breaks Pearle. You should have a line that looks like this:

	$reply =~ m%<textarea\s*tabindex='1'\s*accesskey=","\s*name="wpTextbox1"\s*rows='25'\s*cols='80'\s*>(.*?)</textarea>%s;

Except that you should be missing the "\s*" after the '80'. Try adding it and see if this solves your problem. There are other updates, as well, which I will upload shortly. -- Beland 04:06, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the reply. I made the change and still get the same error. I looked at the log and that particular area has a carriage return in it:

<textarea tabindex='1' accesskey="," name="wpTextbox1" rows='25'
cols='80' >
</textarea>

I attempted to adjust that line of code to catch that, but it didnt seem to help, although I thought the \s* would handle that as well. Maybe one of the other fixes you already applied to your code thats not in the version for d/l. I'll play with it some more and see. ∞Who ?¿? 17:29, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I found the error, since I was only using the test sub, it wasn't setting nullOK to "yes" like the other subs, so I added that in, and it worked fine. Now to learn all of your sub commands, I may just change them all. Thanks. ∞Who ?¿? 05:39, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, setting "nullOK" to "yes" essentially overrides this test. ($text =~ m/^\s*$/) just checks to see if the response parser has gotten any wikitext from the download, other than just whitespace. (\s is any whitespace character, ^ is "beginning of string", $ is "end of string", and * is "zero or more".) I put this in because usually the page I'm trying to edit is not supposed to be blank, so it's not unlikely that something has gone horribly wrong, and the program should halt. This can happen if something in the edit form has changed, such that my regular expressions are no longer pulling the right portion (as did happen on August 10). This test is also triggered when pages are protected from editing, which is sometimes useful. In some situations, Pearle does edit blank pages, which is why I put in the override. There's a danger that if Pearle incorrectly gets empty text from a page which is not empty, that it could blank the page by accident, so the override should be used with caution. (I'm not sure if you were trying to edit a blank page or not, actually.)

Oh, and I just posted an update, in case there are any other small fixes that you might find useful. There are also some new features which I am currently putting to use. (Yay...) -- Beland 06:09, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

CfD electricity[edit]

I'll look into reorganizing the cats, but ought to find a project's permission to ask first. I think the diagram in Category:Electromagnetism is good. Electromagnetism should definitely parent both electricity and magnetism: there are fundamental theories of physics, Maxwell's equations, that unify the two distinct physical concepts into the one larger one. Electrochemistry ought probably to be somewhere beneath electricity in the hierarchy, although I wouldn't have much problem with lifting it out of that hierarchy altogether.

To address your technical point: "...but that's really magnetic induction". Not quite. See magnetic field. It's an odd property of having electrons in motion (i.e. an electrical current) that they also produce a magnetic field. If you have a current flowing through a wire, there'll be a magnetic field around it too.

Magnetic induction is the reverse effect. If you have an otherwise-dead wire and wave a magnet around near it, a current will begin to flow in the wire (as long as you close the circuit). The alternative, but equivalent, effect is to keep the magnet still and move the wire around. So magnetic induction produces electricity, while electricity 'produces' magnetism. Slightly loose technical language, but you get the picture.

So if you plug a wire into a power supply and make electrons move, you get magnetism. If you make a magnet move near a wire, you get electricity. But once you have electrical current flowing...you have magnetism: the two can't be properly separated! This duality between electricity and magnetism (and deeper things like the fact that things like light 'travel' through a field containing both — the electromagnetic field) means that Category:Electromagnetism should definitely be parent,as in the diagram in the cat. -Splash 01:05, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I am sorry. That must have sounded horribly patronising. You must have spent a long time at University (or do you call it school?) to have collected two bachelor's degrees! Anyway, yeah, I think there's an engineering project (there's certainly an engineering portal) so maybe I'll look through the cats and then take any ideas I might have there. I also Category:Telecommunications on my to-do list. -Splash 01:28, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Ha[edit]

I was just about to leave you a message when it said You have new messages. and I saw you left me one. If you got vandals, leave me a message, its faster than AIV or ViP. Unless of course I'm out. When I'm in I'll do it Asap. Blocking is fun >xP Redwolf24 23:56, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I thought you had one of those fake "you have messages" on your talk page, so I ignored it when I replied on your page.. D'oh!. ∞Who?¿? 00:00, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
- I sometimes have that. Sometimes not. Anyways, see WP:BEARDKEEP. Redwolf24 00:42, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Fame and fortune![edit]

<Smiles>! Possibly <ogles> a little too. You know, I hadn't realised I have such an auspicious pseudonym. Not only is it a Las Vegas show, it also, to quote a disgruntled new editor an article on whose forum I had voted to delete, the name "of a sucky Tom Hanks movie". Splash. I'm going to start charging them royalties. -Splash 05:15, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

rfa & pearle[edit]

Hi - Thanks for the vote of confidence at rfa (and I suspect it will be your turn again fairly soon). Have you thought about getting a copy of pearle from beland and using a bot account for the uncategorizing work you do? user:whobot seems to be available. Once upon a time I did a fair amount of orphaned category parenting, which sometimes involves similar tasks so I know it can certainly be relaxing. On the other hand, you do enough of it that I'd worry about Repetitive strain injury (especially if you're using a mouse at all). I hope this comes across as friendly concern (which is how it's meant). Thanks for the rfa vote, and thanks for all the cfd (and other) work you do. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:11, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Hall Monitor's RFA[edit]

Thank you for the taking time to comment on my recent RFA nomination. Your support is greatly appreciated. Hall Monitor 19:13, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Nothing to do with wikipedia[edit]

If I'm not being rude, how did you serve (where/doing what) in the Navy? siafu 04:52, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

CFD: Washingon, District of Columbia[edit]

If you're going to merge two entries in that way, please keep the discussion untangled now as to who is approving/opposing what. Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Washington.2C_D.C._related_categories (SEWilco 16:11, 18 August 2005 (UTC))

Help[edit]

Hi, sorry to bother you about this little doubt: Do i get an admin to delete the old category once decision had been made to rename it? This is with regard to renaming Category:Heroes of the Three Kingdoms to Category:People of the Three Kingdoms. Thanks a lot! :) --Plastictv 15:36, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi, no, we list it at the bottom of WP:CFD in cleanup and after the articles get moved, by whoever, then an admin will delete the category. So feel free to help move the articles, but dont worry about the cat, it will get deleted :) ∞Who?¿? 15:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Ahh everything makes sense now. Really thanks! --Plastictv 15:44, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Umbrella?[edit]

Sure, no problem. R adiant _>|< 11:15, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Uncategorical thanks[edit]

Anyone who spends much time with categories is quickly and deeply aware of the faults and limitations of our current system. Thanks for for helping to keep the overburdened schema together. Cheers, -Willmcw 09:25, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Native American languages Cfru[edit]

with Kurieeto

Hi, thank you so much for using {{Cfru}} on these cat's, makes our job much easier. Normally I go and fix them all for easier reference. Thanks again. ∞Who ?¿? 22:29, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Who, you're welcome about my use of Template:cfru! It's a great little tool, it's too bad it's not more well known. I only learned of its existence from User:Instantnood after I proposed a different batch of related renamings. I'd suggest that it be added to the categories section of the "Deletion Tools" box at the top-right of Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. Hopefully that will result in more people using it when appropriate. Take care, Kurieeto 23:31, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Who's rv[edit]

with Antandrus

Thanks for fixing the vandalism :) Cheers. ∞Who ?¿? 05:32, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey, you're welcome! Keep up the good work! Antandrus (talk) 05:40, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

PR Categories[edit]

with Reinyday

Hi, I just wanted to appologize if I came off a bit rash. Its difficult to do some of the mass re-cat's, and I try to do the best I can in proper cat'ing and fixing errors as I go. That particular CFD was not so cut & dry. We collaborated and thought it should probably be deleted, but I compared it to other cat's and kept it with its current config. Thanks for your input. Cheers. ∞Who ?¿? 01:56, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey, just a heads up, there are a lot of articles with only one cat, the one I'm removing :( So just to let you know, I'm not "dumping" them in {{CatNeeded}}, just figured its better there than with no cat, if I have time, I plan on going back and cleaning them up. Unfortunately, the users who run the bots, arent always around, so a few of us do most of the re-cat'ing done in CFD, plus the bots just remove cats, its too time consuming for the users to have them find suitable replacements. ∞Who ?¿? 21:45, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. These articles can all be put in Category:Freeware. -- Reinyday, 21:54, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

K, thanks for the cat. ∞Who ?¿? 22:02, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

The open source software can go into Category:Free software. -- Reinyday, 21:58, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks YET again[edit]

with Redwolf24

Enjoy! Redwolf24 05:36, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your highest award.. Assuming that's still your highest :) Sorry I didn't thank you earlier, I was really buzy with Wiki than forgot :( <bad Who>. duble dahnku. ∞Who ?¿? 10:54, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Category name changes[edit]

with Gene Nygaard

Just to let you know that you are on my list for screwing up the name changes a while ago, when Category:Schools established in the 1600s were changed to things like Category:Schools established in the 20th century. I have just fixed your screwup on one of them at Carnegie Mellon University. Gene Nygaard 01:11, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

First off, I would like to ask you to please re-read WP:CIVIL. I am one of the very few people who do all the grunt work of moving the categories, especially the large ones, and I would like you to know, I did remember your comment on that particular discussion. As such I researched what was considered the 19th century and 20th century, and it clearly states on 20th century that the dates are from 1901-2000. On that particular article it had two dates, 1900 and 1912, some of the were not founded as schools, and I did my best to categorize them appropriately. Rather than leaving me a rude comment about me being on your list, you could have just corrected the error, and informed me nicely about the mistake. Thank you for pointing out my error, and I invite you to participate in such mass moves in the future. 01:22, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

- (cross-posted)It might help you both to know that, a while ago I started at the earliest dates checking this problem (as I said I would) but forgot to carry on once I got to 'E' in the 19th Century. (And yes, I do play over at CfD.) -Splash 02:16, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Rillian[edit]

with User:Marshall3

Hi, please leave messages/comments for other users on their talk page. I have moved your comments from User:Rillian to User talk:Rillian. Thanks. ∞Who ?¿? 09:40, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Concerning Who[edit]

with User:Radiant!

Hi, we haven't had much chance to communicate since my RFA and that template deal. I was just wanting to stop by and say hi, and make sure there wasn't anything in particular that came up between us. Not that I think there is, just making sure. Other than my less the normal participation in Category titles, although I have reasoning for that. I really hate doing this on your talk page, not so private :) but you didn't have email from users turned on. Well anyway, good eve. ∞Who ?¿? 07:56, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry about it! Good to hear from you again :) R adiant _>|< 08:54, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support[edit]

with MarkSweep Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. I was surprised and humbled by the number of positives votes. I'll be monitoring RfA regularly from now on and will look for a chance to "pay it forward". Cheers, --MarkSweep 02:16, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

You're very welcome and congrats!! I think you will do a great job. ∞Who ?¿? 09:18, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

signatures[edit]

with Heddfones

Who, I'm not an expert on this, so how can i make a signature with differnet colors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heddfones (talk • contribs) 01:07, 7 August 2005

Hi, its fairly simple. First I'll start with regular html, as I do not know of your level of experience. the colors are done with the "font" tag like so:

<font color=red>this</font>

Of course I didn't use the word red, I used the hexadecimal equivalent.

Now to change your signature, click on "Prefrences" at the top of your wiki page. Now on that first page under "User data" it says "Nickname", this is where you put your custom signature. If you just want to add to it, or change the colors, leave the box "Raw" unchecked. You can simply add to the end of your signature by adding code such as:

<font color=00Ff00>Heddfones</font>]]
[[User talk:Heddfones|<font color=#0033FF>- talk to me</font>

note, I there are NO brackets at the beginning, but added before the "User talk".

Which makes this: Heddfones - talk to me

Which the "talk to me" would be a link to your talk page (note, it doesnt work if its already on your talk page )

You have to experiment with how you want it to look. If you want somthting before your name, you have to check the "Raw signature" box. If you do this, you have to put the entire link in. Example:

-<[[User:Heddfones|<font color=00Ff00>Heddfones</font>]]
[[User talk:Heddfones|<font color=#0033FF>- talk to me]]</font>

Which makes this: -<Heddfones - talk to me

HOpe that helps, feel free to ask if its too confusing. Note, I will be gone Monday thru the week, so if i dont respond, feel free to ask anyone with a custom sig, as they will be glad to help. ∞Who ?¿? 04:20, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Copyright Issue[edit]

with HoneyBee

One of the article page in the Highlander:The Series is being stated as copyright violation. Most of the people who editing the page already stated the sources from the external link, and we're definitely not copying from other fan website, except from the official websites which falls on the category of fairuse. How do we deal with this? Should we change the article page, or let them delete the whole thing? Thanks...HoneyBee 00:13, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Usually if the entry was taken from a website, if verbatim, they consider it a copyvio. Even with the encyclopedia britannica 1911, although it has not copyright status, some editors will flag it, if the text and formatting is not changed. I am not sure what particular sections are being considered that, my suggestion would be to ensure that the entries are not a verbatim copy. Make some changes to sentence structure and wording. Although I agree that some text on websites should be considered fairuse, it can still be argued that its the work of the editor,and not such. Hope that helps. ∞Who ?¿? 02:11, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

The article that is being flag is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodes_of_Highlander_%28Season_1%29#Bad_Day_in_Building_A — Preceding unsigned comment added by HoneyBee (talk • contribs) 05:23, 6 August 2005

Ahh, yea, I see what they are getting at. Best thing to do, is make a copy of the article on a sub-page like Episodes of Highlander (Season 1)/temp, and then edit the synopsis to not be even close to the original. I see that a few of them are worded very different, and some aren't, its just best to make sure that they arent close. As far as the style and layout, I see no probs, as its pretty common. Just make a note on the talk page that you are doing a temp page, and provide the link, so that users involved know what's happening. ∞Who ?¿? 05:30, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks...I hope the page won't be deleted...By the way, I like your Wikistress thingy, can I borrow it and put it to my user page? Let me know. Thanks again, you've been very helpfull.HoneyBee 05:54, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Yea, they shouldn't delete it right away, especially if you make a note on the talk page. Your welcome to use anything off my page, but the wikistress meter isn't mine, its a wiki thing :). Use it like {{wstress3d|1|200px|My current stress level}}; changing the 1 to 1-4, and the comment at the end is for whatever you want, oh and of course you can change the size too :) Just in case, I just made a special version, 4a, if you get really stressed out. You can see it in use here. ∞Who ?¿? 05:59, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Shanawdithit/Temp[edit]

with Luigizanasi

Hi, I was wondering if you were done with this temp sub-page. If so, was wondering if you could request its speedy del, so it's not in main namespace, or you could always move it to a sub-page of your userpage. Thanks. ∞Who ?¿? 22:57, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Speedy deletion requested. Go for it. Luigizanasi 23:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Encouragement needed[edit]

with Splash

This diff needs reversing. -Splash 21:45, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. Whilst I personally think the Sidaway RfC deals with subtly different issues, I can understand the Kbdank has to take all the heat over CfD. Hopefully things might repair themselves over the weekend. If not, we're going to have draft in another admin, although there is no particular reason why we (mortals, I mean) can't close the obvious keep debates ourselves. There's no particular process preventing us closing delete debates either since in this case closure doesn't need a magic button, but I'd feel uncomfortable doing it. How long's it been since your RfA — when can you be renominated? -Splash 21:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I just got back on today. Did you see this Cfd talk. Didnt really help any. Seeings he's the only one who does any real work on Cfd, comments like that don't help. ∞Who ?¿? 21:49, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry bout the multiple edits; bad day, and didn't feel like preview button :) I'm hoping his normal weekend getaway will help. I was actually wondering about closing some discussions on my own, since technically, if I remember correctly, anyone can do it. As far as my RFA, I don't really remember when it was, I try not to even look at it. I do think its too soon, and I have some, well other people have some issues with templates, that I personally didn't have anything to do with, but still get the blame over. I actually thought about bringing in someone else to look into the current Cfd stuff, since he's been taking a lot of unnecessary hits lately. Only to help him out with all the comments, of course. This new keyboard is driving me nuts! ∞Who ?¿? 22:02, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Well, the closures are up to date at the moment, and being a weekend out-of-date is usual anyway so I guess we can panic on Monday. Radiant! would be an obvious choice to nudge if we need someone. -Splash 22:11, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Yea, that's who I was thinking. I'm hoping, and thinking it will be fine by Monday too. I will send him a msg early monday and see how he is doing, I will be gone for a week after that though. ∞Who ?¿? 22:38, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I left a response to this on my talk page for all those interested. --Kbdank71 12:27, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

kmccoy's RFA[edit]

with kmccoy

Hey, Who,

Nice bike picture on your user page. :) Thanks for your support on my RFA. (And, as a citizen of the US, it's likely appropriate for me to say thank you for other reasons as well...) kmccoy (talk) 03:38, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Your quite welcome and congrats. Thanks for your message, both parts. Btw, I like your flag layout, wouldn't mind doing something similar on my page. Salut. ∞Who ?¿? 08:17, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Queer Wikipedians[edit]

with andy

I am not quite sure why you are speedying this cat. It is a speedy rename.. see Cfd to be moved . thanks. ∞Who ?¿? 16:17, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

You are creating an article in the main namespace, not a category (Category:Queer Wikipedians) or an article in the meta namespace like Wikipedia:Queer Wikipedians, where I already moved your text. andy 16:19, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, now I'm confused. This was a category, now its an article? Or did we finally reserve Wikipedia category namespace? ∞Who ?¿? 16:22, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Everything without a colon ":" is in the main namespace, like the one you tried to create and which I deleted as being wrong in the namespace. If you intended to create the category, then it needs to have "category" in front. Or if it's an article about internals of wikipedia, it belong in the "wikipedia" namespace. See Wikipedia:Namespace andy 16:24, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

No, I understand that. But I created Category:Queer Wikipedians, which is a redlink, but if you look, it has articles in it. It was a category, not an article. So I'm not sure what you mean still. ∞Who ?¿? 16:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

No, you created Queer Wikipedians, not category:Queer Wikipedians. andy 16:32, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I see what you're talking about, in the deletion log, the bad thing is, I didn't create that. I followed the link on Cfd that I gave you above, that created the category. I must have added it wrong to someones page and they clicked on the red link. I think. I dunno how the article could have been created, because I didn't type it in. I'm moving it to the category, thanks. ∞Who ?¿? 16:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I found the error. Sorry for the trouble. The only reason I was seeing the cat, is I was on the userpages which had the correct link, whereas I put the wrong link on the speedy rename page and it got copied that way, it looked right. I appologize for seeming rash, it was just really weird from my point of view. Thanks again. ∞Who ?¿? 16:45, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if this makes a difference or not, but when it was listed on cfd speedy, it was listed to move from Category:Queer wikipedians → Queer Wikipedians [1] I'm thinking it was a typo. --Kbdank71 16:47, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

personal pic[edit]

with HoneyBee

Hi, if I put a personal pic to my user page, should I put a copyright tag too? And can I delete the pic if I decided later on not to put it? Thanks.... HoneyBee 08:40, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Hope that answers your questions. :) ∞Who ?¿? 09:37, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh, btw, I fixed a red link to The Lord of the Rings on your userpage ;-p ∞Who ?¿? 09:42, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

film category cfds[edit]

with Rick Block

Hi - One way to read your notes at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_July_28 (and I know you don't actually mean them this way) is that the anon votes are sockpuppets of Kbdank71. Since this anon (whoever it is) didn't actually add the entries to CFD, I don't think it's inappropriate for him/her to vote. And, if his/her ISP dynamically allocates IP addresses and the user want to remain anonymous, how would you expect him/her to vote? Calling these "sockpuppet" votes seems a little overly confrontational. Would you consider changing your note to be a little less insulting (assuming good faith)? Perhaps something like "user assumed to be the same as the user who originally added the cfd tag"? IMO, accusing someone of being a sockpuppet is assuming some level of malicious intent, which I think is perhaps not warranted in this case. BTW - in case you have any doubt, I assure you I am not the anon in question. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:26, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your message. Actually, I had assumed good faith. I will change the notes on the ones that Kbdank71 "added" but the anon tagged. The only reason I used the term "sockpuppet", is because if you actually read his votes, he insinuates that he is not the same person, yet they are all the exact same edits by each IP, along with the post on Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts stating he was not the same person. I have tried to assume good faith, but he continued to remove Cfd tags, have categories requested to be speedied. The only way I fealt the discussion could be fair, is if all were aware of the activities of the anon, although I'm sure most people realized it was the same. Have a look at the log I created, if you haven't already User:Who/Discussion log/RW. I am not on a personal vendetta, I was in agreement with the anon about changing some of the cat's, but then it became ridiculous and we had to clean up all the bad-faith stuff that was done. I will go change the way the comments read now. Thanks again. ∞Who ?¿? 03:34, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to bother you again. I wanted to be clear why I chose that term. Although I understand that ISP's use dynamic IPs (system admin of 15 years), this particular user has made it well known that he chooses not to login. That is all well and good, I have no problem with that. The problem is, he uses the dynamic IPs to his advantage to attempt surpass the rules by trying to pose as other "users". This, in my view is sockpuppetry. I did as much reading on this as I could find, before I used the term on the Cfd pages. I also understand your point about being able to vote on a Cfd, since Kdbank71 technically added them to the Cfd page. The thing is, this user has just been ignored after all the previous events, and I'm asked to just ignore everything done by them now (not by you), as they will probably just go away. Evidentally, since he had a category speedied a few days after the Cfd close, he wasn't being bothered and still took it upon himself to have it removed. My actions may seem rash, but I just don't see how or why we can all just sit back and let a user who knows the system do what they please. I wish nothing more than to just be done with this situation, as I am not a controfontational person, and try to solve things by discussing them. Thanks again for your input. ∞Who ?¿? 04:12, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't read into the votes at CFD, or the wikiquette alert, an overt claim that the users are different. There's a clear implication of this, but if you read the literal words I don't quite see it (and, the user is perhaps being very technical at this point). I'm not accusing you of being on a vendetta or any other wrongdoing, but I do think that there's considerably more heat here than necessary. Please remember ignorant is not the same as ill-intentioned (even deleting comments on talk pages - users are not born knowing this is forbidden). I assume by now you've seen some of the history here. If this user is who you think it is I think we can be afford to be, and perhaps should be, extremely charitable. Thanks for changing the notes (and I think you missed one). -- Rick Block (talk) 04:20, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Fixed. I still try to keep an open mind, and have seen some good contributions by this user. I just hope someone can have a good discussion with them in the future. Thanks again. ∞Who ?¿? 04:27, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Database dump, list by number of edits[edit]

with Jamesday

No idea about the dump, I wasn't around and won't be looking at things much for about two weks, maybe more. At some point I'll get a list of edits for all and probably add some more fields - it'll go on my list of scripts it'd be nice to run for all projects regularly. Easy for me to get data for all, just a case of finding time, which is very short right now. Probably take care of it in a month or so, when it's time to update the page. Not a promise. Jamesday 04:29, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

That's ok, no big hurry, we couldn't get db acs and had our probs, so whenever we can get a total data list from your scripts, we'll just make use of that. Thanks again. ∞Who ?¿? 05:11, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Template:Stuyvesant High School infobox TfD combined[edit]

with Splash

Since you already voted in the above TfD, I wanted to let you know that I have just added Template:Stuyvesant High School infobox2 to this discussion. -Splash 01:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedian random pages[edit]

with Maurreen

Hi, this category has been placed on Cfd here and I wanted to invite you to share your comments, as the creator. Thank you. ∞Who ?¿? 00:33, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your note. That was thoughtful. The category isn't important to me; it was made partly to help seed the Wikipedian cats. So I'll let it go probably. Maurreen (talk) 01:11, 1 August 2005 (UTC)