User talk:Winshevsky
Jewish Left
[edit]Thank you for the link, but that still doesn't give a proper link to the numbers or anything that might support the claim that the UJPO was the largest Jewish fraternity organization in the late 1940s. I am not sure that it was or wasn't, I haven't seen anything that proves it or disproves it. As much as the communists made small inroads in the 1940s, the CCF made substantially larger ones, with Jewish people in the highest levels of the organization, so don't go down the political road, I want to see membership numbers. In particular, I want to see where the Workman's Circle is involved, because they were left, Bundist Left, which means they were anti-communists, but followers of the Socialist International, same as the CCF.--Abebenjoe 07:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. That's what I wanted, the figures, the quote above really doesn't say much, because how did they determine it? I'll check the Bund/Workers Circle records. So now we can see if UJPO really was the biggest Jewish fraternal organization. I'll have the figures by tomorrow.
- B.T.W., the CCF always won in the Jewish neighbourhoods in Winnipeg, without Jewish candidates. Funny thing is that is where David Lewis could have run in 1945, but for some unknown reason, at least to me and his biographer, he went on a suicide mission in Hamilton. In 1943,he lost to Rose more out of local dynamics...he didn't live there at all, he lived in Ottawa, so it was seen as opportunistic and the LLP played that up very well. Rose did the leg work to win, Lewis obviously did not. Winnipeg would have been a different story though, since all the CCF seats were safe, especially in the Jewish areas. Thanks again for clearing this up.--Abebenjoe 17:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
- Well the Montreal chapter of the Workman's Circle alone had a membership of 3500 in the 1940s according to the Canadian Jewish Congress' booklet entitled In Honour of the Dedication of the Workman's Circle Centre. Goldman's article on page 7, "Seven Years of the League," states the 3500 figure. The booklet is in the Library and Archives Canada funds, filed under ZB/Workmen's Circle. I knew something didn't quite add up with the UJPO being the largest fraternal organization, but obviously it is still significantly large enough to keep and enlarge in the article. It was obvious that the History of the Jews in Canada article was lacking information regarding the Canadian Jewish Left, and its contribution to Canadian Jewry – and Canadian society as a whole – is not well represented in that article. If you want to add more to it great. I'll be dealing with getting the Lewis article past the hurdles of Good Article selection over the next few weeks, so I won't have the time to contribute to the article. Keep up the good work--Abebenjoe 15:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
David Lewis article
[edit]Good research on Lewis' early elections. I basically forgot the 1940 one, and there's barely a mention of the 1949 one anywhere. Good work on the tables as well. Unfortunately, the Lewis article is becoming way too long, so I incorporated some of the information in the tables into the paragraphs dealing with his election futility in the 1940s. I preserved the tables on the talk page, and there still may be a way to incorporate them either into this particular article, or into the articles dealing with those ridings. For now, I've kept the 1970s tables, but the article is about to go back into Good Article assessment again, and I think the reviewers may want those tables gone as well, again mainly because the article is 58K with them in, and about 56K without them. 60K is the hard limit, and there are still two or three items that should be incorporated about his seeking the leadership and his post-political life.--Abebenjoe 14:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
We only put in the notable ones, not every historical party. That's what the list is for. GreenJoe 20:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)