User talk:174.44.112.170

April 2023

Hello, I'm Hey man im josh. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Kids in the Hall: Brain Candy, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:49, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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They Shoot Horses, Don't They?

I can understand why you misconstrued the superlative that They Shoot Horses, Don't They? (1969) holds. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977), The Dark Knight (2008), Dreamgirls (2006), The Poseidon Adventure (1972), and Ragtime (1981)…possibly a few others I can't think of at the moment…all come close with 8 nominations without a BP nomination!

But the oft-mistaken trivia here is due to the miscomprehension caused by the Honorary Awards. The Academy Awards doled out Special Achievement Awards to two of the above films. Poseidon earned honorary Visual FX prior to that category's existence and Close Encounters got a sound effects honorary trophy. And I presume these are the 2 that have misled you.

However, as I explained in the hidden note, those do NOT factor into the nomination tally as they are non-competitive awards. Since the record is in regards to most nominations without a Best Picture nomination, only categories in which a film could potentially lose are included. Those bonus awards for the aforementioned films are simply an extra award, a +1, for an overall tally. Make sense? --Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 07:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

My point was that Wikipedia should be consistent, and there are multiple references to those films having nine nominations, including on the 42nd Academy Awards (where "They Shoot Horses" was nominated).

But now that you've called my attention to it more specifically, I'm not sure that I agree with your interpretation. The way that voting works during the nomination phase for the Academy Awards in the 1970's was that some of the lesser awards did not require a minimum number of nominees, there was some kind of weird complicated point system by which movies qualify for a nomination. (I don't know if this is still the case, but it was at the time.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Visual_Effects and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Sound are both competitive awards that voters vote on during the nomination phase, but in those specific years, only one film was nominated, and thus the awards became honorary rather than competitive. Was there actually a decision somewhere where the editors have declared that these don't count as nominations? Or do you have something specific that you can cite as an official count? 174.44.112.170 (talk) 17:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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