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Corsican conflict[edit]

@2.249.150.61: I explained you why this death is releated into the conflict. You don't explained me why is not releated. The death of Colonna has a background into the violence committed by the FNLC against the foreign communities in the island, with assaults and bomb attempts, and also the warning on ISIL in 2016. Also, the killing of Colonna started an unrest by the nationalists on the island and some factions of FLNC started again the insurgency with some bomb attempts. He's killing is also inserect on Corsican conflict, so its part of the conflict. Please stop revert the edit, I don't want another edit war. I explained you this, now, if you haven't any argoments against mine, revert your edit. MorteBiancaFan (talk) 18:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@2.249.150.61: In the deaths count on the parameters, prison fights and murders are also counted like part of a conflict in the case of Mexico (for example in 2014 prison fight between los zetas factions) and mainly of the conflicts (like Syria and Bangladesh). MorteBiancaFan (talk) 18:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@2.249.150.61: Another thing, can you use ping to talk with me? 'Cause without it I can't know if you answear me. MorteBiancaFan (talk) 18:53, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MorteBiancaFan Yeah, hi. You didn't explain why the death was related to the conflict, the death may have caused renewed violence in the conflict but that does not mean that the death itself is directly caused by the conflict. You say that prison fights are counted in Mexico, but you see the difference there? You explain how the deaths were caused by violence between los zetas factions which gives those deaths connections to the conflict.
Again, the parameters say "Fatality figures include battle-related deaths (military and civilian) as well as civilians intentionally targeted by the parties to an armed conflict. Only direct deaths resulting from violence are included for the current and past year". Can you explain how Yvan Colonna's death was directly a result from the violence in the conflict? If not, the death should not count towards this years deaths and therefore, the Corsican conflict is at zero deaths in 2021 and zero deaths in 2022. 2.249.150.61 (talk) 19:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@2.249.150.61: Hi, you expalined why is part of the conflict now, the killing started new violence and the return of attempts. If it caused new violence it mean that his death is part of the conflict 'cause without his death the conflict don't return with new violence. His death is also reported like an event of the conflict in the articles in english and in deutch wiki of the conflict. Also, Yvan Colonna's group, before his death, target foreign communities so the death is also linked into those violent episode of racism perpetred by the group. MorteBiancaFan (talk) 08:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MorteBiancaFan So his death was directly caused by violence stemming from the conflict? 2.249.150.61 (talk) 10:34, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@2.249.150.61: yes. The attacks on foreign communities and the warning on ISIL caused lot of disagreements. MorteBiancaFan (talk) 12:08, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MorteBiancaFan You're not answering my question, was Yvan Colonna killed by a party of the armed conflict? You seem to be misunderstanding the parameters. 2.249.150.61 (talk) 12:09, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@2.249.150.61: organized crime groups are a party of the conflict so yes. MorteBiancaFan (talk) 12:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MorteBiancaFan Then you're disagreeing with the cops. The person who killed Yvan Colonna was not reported to have been a part of a group involved in the conflict and the motivation for killing him was not connected to the conflict. 2.249.150.61 (talk) 12:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@2.249.150.61: Franck Elong Abé is reported to be an ex-terrorist of jihadist groups in jail for terrorism, in Corsica most of the attacks on foreign communities were against islamist peoples and the warning on ISIL and other jihadist groups are part of the conflict. MorteBiancaFan (talk) 12:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MorteBiancaFan I think we just fundamentally disagree about what the parameters mean, can we reach out to a moderator to help solve this? 2.249.150.61 (talk) 12:32, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@2.249.150.61: I know the parameters. His death is linked into the conflict, started new violence and the resumation of the FLNC that started again doing attempts, his death is linked into the conflict. MorteBiancaFan (talk) 12:37, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MorteBiancaFan His death is 100% not directly caused by violence from the conflict.
1. His killer is not a combatant of the conflict.
2. The motive for his murder is not connected to the conflict. 2.249.150.61 (talk) 12:42, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@2.249.150.61: The parameters also say that the deaths of famine, disease, or disruption of services are linked into a conflict (when available) and those are not directly linke dinto the conflict. MorteBiancaFan (talk) 12:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MorteBiancaFan Yes they do, but the parameters explicitly state that those are only included in the "cumulative fatalities count" and therefore not the last of current year fatalities. 2.249.150.61 (talk) 12:43, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@2.249.150.61: ok, maybe your right, I not going to re-add corsican conflict next times, only diractly deaths. Have a good day. MorteBiancaFan (talk) 12:45, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MorteBiancaFan Thanks, you too. 2.249.150.61 (talk) 12:47, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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