User talk:2604:3D08:E076:BBF0:D80A:C804:1125:23F5

August 2023[edit]

A page you created has been nominated for deletion because it is a biography of a living person that is entirely negative in tone and contains unsourced content, according to section G10 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

Do not create articles about living people that are entirely negative in tone and unsourced. Wikipedia has a policy of verifiability and any negative information we use must be reliably sourced, and our articles must be balanced. Negative, unreferenced biographies of living people, along with other attack pages, are not tolerated by Wikipedia, and users who create or repost such pages and images in violation of our biographies of living persons policy may be blocked from editing. Qcne (talk) 17:30, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tom Tobin's Dicky Bird (August 5)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Karnataka was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Tom Tobin's Dicky Bird and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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— Karnataka ^talk 17:58, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This song is about my family.

Tom Hurley (great grandfather)

Frederick Hurley (Son)

Madonna (Hurley) Reardon

Charlene (Reardon) Blake

comments on the linked facebook posts will further confirm the family's stance on this song.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0vLFEvtMuXqPxXVEd8UydQ3Ge5rZ29Grnwq8fBGqFTwqgeMuAkxRQnDDYsyxp8QUJl&id=592465088&mibextid=qC1gEa

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02iirb61mPmpPYetP1cKTDVRHvVEktvPPEgeotd3LRHiggz82WQ2isx1nMCxPCLBa9l&id=592465088&mibextid=qC1gEa 2604:3D08:E076:BBF0:D80A:C804:1125:23F5 (talk) 18:05, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP Editor. I am going to reiterate what I stated on the Talk Page:

Your article draft, in its current form, is wholly inappropriate for Wikipedia. It might be worth reading Wikipedia:Your first article which gives you the dos and don'ts of creating an article, and Wikipedia:Five pillars which detail the fundamental principles of Wikipedia.

Please also very carefully read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Your draft in its current form certainly breaks some of these requirements, particularly Wikipedia:SOAPBOX.

Wikipedia is only interested in what independent, reliable, secondary sources have to say about a subject. This is one of the fundamental principles of Wikipedia. Your article had zero citations, zero sources, and seemed to be wholly Wikipedia:Original research. This type of content is not permitted.

Let me know if you have any questions, Qcne (talk) 18:12, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My article was not independent "research". It is lived experiences with the son of Tom Hurley who is the father of my grandfather. Biography may be a more accurate category for this article? 2604:3D08:E076:BBF0:D80A:C804:1125:23F5 (talk) 18:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please visit the Facebook Links and read them to confirm the source information. CharleneKatt (talk) 18:36, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again- lived experience is the definition of what we call Wikipedia:Original research I am afraid.

To put it plainly: Wikipedia articles only exist to summarise what reliable, independent, secondary sources say about a subject. To break it down a bit:

- Reliable means from a trusted institution such as a national newspaper or a scholarly journal. I am afraid a Facebook post is not reliable as anyone can make any Facebook post: I could make a Facebook post stating I am the President of Antarctica and use that as basis for my new article 'Qcne, President of Antarctica' but it would not be appropriate for hopefully obvious reasons

- Independent means not connected in any way with the subject. As you are directly related to the subject you are by definition not independent.

The only way that your article could be made appropriate for Wikipedia is if the song and it's background were to appear in those reliable independent sources (such as a reputable news website). Then and only then could a Wikipedia article be created, and it would serve just to summarise what those reliable and independent sources say.

I hope that makes sense, and I hope you now understand better what makes a Wikipedia article. Writing for Wikipedia is very complex as we have all these policies and rules in place, but they are there to protect the reputation of Wikipedia and to ensure as much as possible that the articles present correct factual information.

Again, let me know if you have any questions. Qcne (talk) 18:41, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You have the information to read and confirm the information provided. Are you saying you refuse to do that? 2604:3D08:E076:BBF0:D80A:C804:1125:23F5 (talk) 18:47, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. As I stated before, Facebook and other social media is not a reliable source so is useless to this discussion.

I am afraid you do not understand the purpose of Wikipedia. Please do read Wikipedia:Five pillars. By all means, continue to campaign on Facebook but please understand that Wikipedia is not an appropriate venue for campaigning about anything, and you would be at risk of being blocked if you try to.

Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 18:50, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is about truth. And truth has to start somewhere. I am the straight source. You are aware that the news is not a legit source. I already stopped the news stations in Canada from speaking of Andy Wakefield because they kept saying the study linked autism to the MMR. They stopped mentioning him all together when they read the actual study and realized I was right. News is not a legit source either. Just saying. 2604:3D08:E076:BBF0:B138:367B:EC5E:762F (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@2604:3D08:E076:BBF0:B138:367B:EC5E:762F Unfortunately I have nothing more to say to you, please re-read my above advice.

Best wishes, Qcne (talk) 20:50, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, 2604:3D08:E076:BBF0:D80A:C804:1125:23F5! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! — Karnataka ^talk 17:58, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Tom Tobin's Dicky Bird[edit]

Hello, 2604:3D08:E076:BBF0:D80A:C804:1125:23F5. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Tom Tobin's Dicky Bird, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 18:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Tom Tobin's Dicky Bird[edit]

Hello, 2604:3D08:E076:BBF0:D80A:C804:1125:23F5. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Tom Tobin's Dicky Bird".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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