User talk:81.98.21.251

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81.98.21.251 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Just to point out, this is part of a wide UK range of IP addresses. Also to point out since i've looked at the tool you've used to "prove" proxies, every single IP address I have tried in it from a random selection that edit Wikipedia are flagged as being proxies. I don't actually care if you unblock this address or not, I just thought i'd let you know your tool has masses of false positives. (Plus, it seems to identify every address in this range as being a proxy, and this is a big range which spans both 81.98.xx.xxx and 86.xx.xx.xxx so yeah... You'll do a ton of damage rangeblocking this "proxy".

Decline reason:

On top of the incivility and bad faith assumed in the long comment below, you indicate you're done editing, so there's no need to lift the unblock. — Daniel Case (talk) 13:57, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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If you decline this unblock could you please provide me with contact details for a relevant part of the Wikimedia Foundation? (Or whatever committee you have that is relevant). I'd be interested in their input regarding a blacklist that would block millions of IPs from editing due to being listed as open proxies by a single blacklist out of many. --81.98.21.251 (talk) 00:50, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also i'll need my ability to e-mail back so I can send such a message, if need be. I don't know why the right honourable admin decided to randomly revoke it, along with my talk page access, in absence of any evidence of abusing either feature... Though he later returned my talk page rights, yet kept the email revoked. --81.98.21.251 (talk) 01:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have referred this to the open proxy project, where, yes, to my knowledge they do a bit more than look the IP on open-proxy blacklist sites. Daniel Case (talk) 03:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I like it. You find that the IP is not an open proxy, so another administrator "shortens" the block to 1 week and makes it for disruptive editing instead with a very vague reason. (Plus if the edits I did were disruptive, better ban fucking everyone at ANI.) But sure, I get it, the cabal wins again. You can block this IP too for "evading" a block of "disruptive" editing that was applied without prior warnings, without any reasons, without any response or update at this talk page to the evidence etc... Good job guys. You wonder why you have so many IPs that end up vandalising or causing trouble, and it's because certain administrators treat them like shit. I used to be a common editor who rarely fixed up stuff in articles, till one day a drama-queen editor randomly dragged me to ANI and days were wasted there before someone said "You know the IP hasn't done anything wrong." I've posted on project pages only to be randomly reverted as "obvious sock". You guys seem to think any IP who knows anything about Wikipedia is obviously a troll, and you know what that attitude does? It MAKES them into trolls. Anyway, rant done. I like how no one has even pointed out to the blocking admin that all his "proxy" blocks based off this tool have been reverted now to stop him making further errors. But then again, whats the worst that could happen, he blocks an IP? is cool they are scumbags anyway, not part of the glorious administrator master race. BYE. --81.98.17.175 (talk) 11:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Compiled Evidence regarding false positives[edit]

I'm going through todays TFA and will run checks on random IPs there to see if your tool flags them up as proxies. (The tool used by blocking admin is http://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check)

According to this tool, the following random selection of IP editors are proxies. My argument is that this tool is flawed, as it is impossible that ALL these random contributors are using proxies:

122.170.10.157
27.4.164.254
122.178.253.213
117.192.242.79
122.172.215.209
117.213.8.51
78.178.17.200
115.241.175.3
115.252.33.66
202.133.58.70

I could go on. (and will if you wish me to provide more evidence your tool is broken.) In fact, I have only found one single IP address so far that that tool does not highlight as being blacklisted... Are you going to go block all the contributors to TFA for using open proxies? Or shall we recognise that your tool is flawed and flags up masses of false positives? (Plus it's a blacklist for spam. Not the same thing as an open proxy...)

'Also to be clear: I do not care if you unblock me or not. What I want you to focus on is the tool that this admin has now made several blocks with, as I believe it to be flawed. I don't want you damaging other legitimate contributors with your new found favourite tool to accompany the banhammer. --81.98.21.251 (talk) 01:00, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More evidence of false positives[edit]

So far over 90% of random contributors to todays featured article have been flagged as open proxies according to the blocking admins interpretation of the tool... And there are more.

69.86.243.240
203.207.63.1
69.115.82.63
117.192.209.192
69.115.82.63

(At this point I have checked all IP editors in the most recent edits to the TFA. The tool says 15/17 of the ones I have checked are flagged on this blacklist. Using the logic of Toddst1 in his application of the block tool, the TFA must be under attack from masses of open proxies!!! ...or perhaps the tool is just hypersensitive. Proof enough yet?)

Additionally, your tool conflicts with what other admins at the WikiProject for Open Proxies say...[edit]

...as many open proxies they have investigated and ruled are NOT open proxies are flagged as being on a blacklist by this tool! I apologise for repitition, but you are misinterpreting the tool and wrongly applying the banhammer. Could the reviewing admin/editor please notify the WikiProject of this before more harm is done?

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See above. The blocking admin needs to be notified his tool yields masses of false positives. Please read my evidence and stop him making any further dodgy blocks based on that tool, he has already made several. Feel free to leave me blocked, I don't care, but I don't want this project damaged by a dodgy tool.

I tried to remove these tags since they are no longer appropriate, but your automatic filter disallowed it. So I guess you'll have to waste your time after all, gg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.98.17.175 (talk) 14:53, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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