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December 2008[edit]

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I've noticed that much of your article may be a copyright infringement of this page, and as such, have removed the material. Please note that Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material without permission. It also seems like you have an apparent conflict of interest with the subject at hand, since you've identified yourself as the ACHD Webmaster. Editing subjects in which you yourself have vested interest is Strongly Discouraged. The general thought is, if the subject is noteworthy enough, someone who does not have a conflict of interest will eventually come around to writing an article about it.

There are a few other issues which I have attemped to correct or flag regarding the article. For instance, part of it reads like an advertisement, i.e. mentioning office hours and street address. Anyhow, the long of the short of it is, I recommend reading up on Wikipedia policies (listed above) to eliminate any more confusion. I'd also like to recommend that you leave the article be, as you have a clear conflict of interest with the subject. Don't worry--like I said before, if it's notable enough, the community will edit a clear, neutrally-written piece on the subject. Steamroller Assault (talk) 19:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The content you removed was something I had actually written myself for another publication, I took parts of it for the ACHD page. We are a government agency, is there a way we can create a page? No one else has, I doubt anyone will. We will be straight-forward, we just want to make the information accessible. I can identify myself if needed.ACHDWebmaster (talk) 21:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi there. The material I removed was from "The Eagle Informer" (I put the link in my previous comment). There are a couple of steps to take regarding the use of this material. Firstly, the page in question is marked with a copyright notice reading "Copyright 2008 My Town Informer, Inc. of Eagle, Idaho". So if this isn't you, even if you are the author, you may not be the owner of the copyright and will have to get permission from them. First check this guide regarding requesting copyright permission. You also might want to look here if you are the bona fide owner of the copyright. Being a government agency, I did not remove the other material, found on the ACHD website, which happened to be a word-for-word cut-and-paste. I am unsure if the ACHD website qualifies as a government work that can be included in wikipedia verbatim...my suggestion would be to somehow rewrite it. That being said, I've got to restate that Conflict of Interest editing is Strongly Discouraged, and remember that Wikipedia is not a place for advertising (even for government agencies), and that articles must meet notability guidelines. A lot of the links in that boilerplate welcome message (above) will provide good tips on writing effective articles here, which also includes using your own words (I know, it seems ironic if you wrote the original Eagle Informer article) and referencing reliable, third-party sources. Cheers, Steamroller Assault (talk) 22:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So, what would you recommend? Should the page be deleted since we have a conflict of interest, or is it better just to leave it?ACHDWebmaster (talk) 18:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Conflict of interest is not in and of itself grounds for article deletion. As it stands, the article appears to be an acceptable start for the subject. I'm a little concerned about the identical content on the ACHD website, but I am not an expert in US copyright law. All I know is that some government websites are in the public domain. Perhaps you might know the answer to that better than I do. I think it's best to leave the article as it stands. I know you expressed that a page may not get built without your input, but the subject appears notable (i.e. it comes up thousands of times on Google), and you might be surprised at what gets worked on here. Notice that already, someone else has adjusted the ACHD article. Oh, and since we're on the subject, when I view the official ACHD website, my browser does not provide any scroll bars. I'm using Firefox 3.0.4 on a Mac Powerbook G4. Steamroller Assault (talk) 19:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check out the scroll issue. As far as the language on the Web site, that is in the public domain, so that shouldn't be a problem. I would love to have the article up. I am not sure how to get the conflict of interst notice off, is there a way that can be done with our username as ACHDWebmaster??? Thanks for getting back to me on all of this. This is fun!ACHDWebmaster (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I know, it can get addictive. Now, I would suggest not removing the conflict tag yourself, as it would likely be interpreted negatively, and someone would probably just replace the tag. And I can't in good conscience remove it since, well, you do have a conflict of interest. My suggestion, and it is essentially a parsing of this guideline, would be for you to air your concerns on the article's Talk Page. Declare that you are aware of the conflict of interest, but you believe that the content is sufficiently neutral and even-handed (recall that some of the removed copyvio material might not have been perceived in that light). Invite scrutiny upon the article, and request that someone see fit to take down the tag. This way, you'll be able to achieve some sort of consensus among editors, along with maintaining transparency. Be aware that this process might take some time. In the meantime, all the information will still be available to encyclopedia readers. If you choose, feel free to provide a link to this discussion on the talk page, so that interested editors can see the process you've been going through here. One other thing. Before going any further, you should be aware of a concept on Wikipedia called Sockpuppetry, specifically, this guideline. Cheers, Steamroller Assault (talk) 15:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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