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FYI

I just blocked It's The JTN Bros (talk · contribs) compared to your block of The JTN Bros (talk · contribs). Poke me on my talkpage if you need me further. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 13:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Please stop making false accusations.

I am not 174.3.66.128, so the views expressed by him/her is not my views. Furthermore the it is very easy to find sources for the facts in his comment, and the facts are interesting in regards to the article which the talk page belongs to. PerDaniel (talk) 14:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

You will note that I amended my comment to reflect your restoration of soapboxing by others. I don't see any suggestion there for article improvement, just complaint about Harper with no suggestions about article improvement. Removal of such digressions is not "censorship", and you've moved into edit-warring by restoring it yet again. Acroterion (talk) 14:48, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
I forgot to mention your second false accusation: That the vandalism I reverted wasn't vandalism. How can it be anything but vandalism when someone claims that a disputed viewpoint is false? I thought that wikipedia was supposed to be an encyclopedia? PerDaniel (talk) 14:57, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
You're painting a content dispute as vandalism. Vandalism usually involves the word "poop" or something of a similar nature. Don't characterize disagreement (or someone's mistaken edit) as vandalism. Wikipedia isn't a battleground: characterizing other editors as vandals is not conducive to a collegial editing environment. Acroterion (talk) 15:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
No, I interpreted it as vandalism. I really can't see how anyone can interpret the insertion of a clearly false statement as anything else. PerDaniel (talk) 10:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
The edit was not vandalism by Wikipedia's usual interpretation: as I said, vandalism usually is along the lines of "Marissa iz a poopyhead." The appropriate summary in this case would be "inappropriate editorializing," "commentary unsupported by source," or just plain "citation needed," but it's not vandalism. Labeling other editors as vandals is inflammatory and distracts from the specific issues associated with the edit. Providing an objective, specific edit summary is more polite and allows other participants to see what might be the real problem, rather than just a curt dismissal. It also makes your views more likely to be taken seriously. Acroterion (talk) 11:45, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I'll remember that any edit not containing four letter words is by definition made in good faith, and that there are other labels I can put on edits that reduce the quality of an article. PerDaniel (talk) 19:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Basically correct and insightful: we'll make a Wikipedian out of you yet. Acroterion (talk) 19:46, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Coal fields and their towns

Hey- Thought I would let you know that I was able to link over 97% of the town names listed in the coal fields of Winding Gulf, New River etc etc. They are now seen as list articles! Thanks again for starting those. Linking them and all of their towns was funCoal town guy (talk) 16:32, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for finishing the job: you are obviously the right guy to do it, and I appreciate your efforts. Acroterion (talk) 03:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
I just joined the Eastern KY Coal Field Task Force....(thats a T shirt) here on Wikipedia. We are really really close to being possibly one of the best resources on the web for ID'ing coal towns......YES, thats niceCoal town guy (talk) 12:37, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

You Deleted My Article on DocMate

Hello Acroterion, I posted an article on DocMate.com and was wondering why it got deleted. I know the website is not active yet, but was setting up the wiki page early cause it said it would take several days to get reviewed. We are launching the website on Friday, so i was wondering how I would go upon to get the DocMate wiki page up? Is there anything else i would have to add or that I missed? Please let me know and hope to hear form you soon. Thank You, DocMate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smdocmate (talk • contribs) 16:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

It was promotional in nature on behalf of a site that doesn't yet exist and which doesn't appear to be sufficiently notable to be included if it did exist. Wikipedia isn't a place to promote your website. Please read WP:WEB, WP:CORP, WP:SPAM and WP:COI: you are strongly discouraged from writing about your business, since it's hard to maintain an appropriately objective distance from the subject. Acroterion (talk) 17:04, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

deletion of Michael Sabatini page

Hello. I think you deleted the draft I had done on Dr Michael Sabatini. This was a first draft and I had not completed it, so the significance of the person (eco-innovation in development and material sourcing) does not apear. I wonder is it possible for me to retrieve this text so I can work on it? I am afraid I do not have a copy so if you could guide me how to retrieve the original text I would be very grateful. I am new here so am afaraid I did not understand a work in progress should not be listed Many thanks.Hawarden10 (talk) 15:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I deleted it because it amounted to a great deal of speculation about a living person: see WP:BLP, which applies to all namespaces, including user drafts. "High net-worth individual" and "is believed to have" aren't really satisfactory for a biography. The references were just links to websites rather than specific references supporting the content. I'm willing to restore the content, minus the problematic characterizations, provided you undertake to provide specific references and to indicate why this person meets the inclusion guidelines at WP:BIO. Being rich isn't enough; there must be significant coverage in independent sources, and the content must be directly supported by the references. Acroterion (talk) 15:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks. I would be grateful if you could restore the content, and I will then copy and paste it and then take it off the page. I will work on it offline until I get something of quality. I need to complete the references (newspapers, date, page number etc), scholarly papers etc. The signifance of the subject is that in both areas Dr Sabatini invests in (real estate, luxury goods), he is insisting on state of the art ecologically friendly development, and applies criteria as regards sourcing of luxury goods which respect environmental and social considerations. This is very important as all the geographical areas affected are environmentally at risk. Often too, foreign investment in some of these areas carries the risk of social exploitation in terms of wages, conditions etc. The interest for me is not the financial aspect as such but some quite revolutionary ideas of this individual as regards introducing ecological and social considerations as decision-making criteria for high-profit profit mainstream venture capitalism and private investment. The article will be focusing on this aspect. Thank you again. Hawarden10 (talk) 16:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

If you activate an email address in your user preferences, I can email the content to you, which would probably be less work for you, and would allow me to send it in its entirety. The email user feature is blind (I can't see the address unless you reply to an email from me), so it's secure. Leave me a note when you've done that and I'll send it along. Acroterion (talk) 17:16, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
thank you but I do not wish to send you my e-mail. I do not know who you are. Please kindly restore the text as you offered above. I will then work on it offline, having deleted the body of the text from Wikipedia. Hawarden10 (talk) 18:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
That's why I pointed out that if you activate your email through your user preferences, I can't see your email, so your address will be secure. However, if you wish, I will place a somewhat redacted version into your sandbox. Acroterion (talk) 18:23, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thanks for all the help. I will probably make an account in the next day or two but for now, this guy is attacking articles that are locked so I can't fix them. 108.94.154.235 (talk) 02:02, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know: I'll look into it. Acroterion (talk) 02:20, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


Help: review

Hi. Can You review the new article OProject@Home. I am waiting very long for the acceptance of this page. Page is available [1] here.

–– Leoo512 (talk) 12:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Since I haven't worked at AfC before, I'll let one of the regular AfC participants do it. It looks good on a superficial level, but it's definitely not my field. You might want to post at WP:AFCHD since it's been languishing, and I'll drop a note once I get back on the wiki in an hour or so. Acroterion (talk) 12:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

User:Teonilla.211046981

is part of Wikipedia:School and university projects/Polytechnic of Namibia/Information Competence, September 2012/Logistic and Transport Management and I've had another one posting spam from there. I think they are doing what they have been told (or what they think they've been told), but there's no way anyone here would know the difference if they hadn't found the project (like I did, being nosy). I've sent User:Pgallert a message as he seems to be involved on the organising side. Peridon (talk) 15:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

The suspicion that it was a school project has been gradually dawning for me as well. I'd be glad to unblock if they'd just stop posting spam for a hotel: there's plenty of other possibilities in Namibia for articles. Acroterion (talk) 15:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I already nuked one autoblock on the school. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I'll unblock and see what happens. Acroterion (talk) 15:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Anthropology dicta

Hey Acroterion, there seems to be an issue over on the Negroid and Mongoloid pages with an anonymous ip/new account. He or she has been replacing the neutral, sourced assertions that the terms are still in use by some anthropologists but criticized by others with declarations that they are universally discredited. This is of course at odds with our Race (human classification) page on the race validity debate. Another editor has also attempted to explain this to him/her [2], but seemingly to no avail. If it's no trouble, could you take a look? I'm concerned that it may perhaps be that same blocked trolling user again. Kind regards - Soupforone (talk) 01:15, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

They do seem to be landing on the subjects with both feet. I removed a certain amount of editorializing. I've, of course, blocked a series of sockpuppet accounts, but this editor seems to be different (and we just had a checkuser on those accounts, so this one can't be related). I'll leave a note on their talkpage about using the article talkpages rather than communicating entirely in edit summaries. Acroterion (talk) 01:30, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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Newtown-Stephensburg Historic District‎

Hey Acroterion, I am having some trouble figuring out where to start on the Newtown-Stephensburg Historic District‎ page. When I created it, it looked like I had all the information available (outside of Wikipedia mirrors). I checked again today and it looks like I still do. I did find a Google Book with some information about the Historic District, but nothing really new I don't already have down. Do you know where I should start on this one? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 17:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

The nomination document (referenced already) [3] has a fair amount of detail on the contributing buildings. The trick will be to boil it down so it's not just a rehash of the NRHP docs. Beyond that, you'll probably have some difficulty unless you can bring in some Civil War aspects that weren't significant enough to cover in the Stephens City article. Acroterion (talk) 17:09, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
I did want to cover the houses that might have historical significance. I know some of them are just residences but some are historical properties, mostly owned by the town or the Newtown History Center, that have been restored to their original exterior and interior. One is a pure wooden building that is currently used as a CPA's office. It is dated back to the 1780s, I do believe. Another is the old store that was the imfamous building where the "Order to Burn" Stephens City was nailed to the door. It has hosted numerous businesses, a knick-knack shop is there now. I would like to post more about those, the only problem is most of the information is from either the Newtown History Center or original research. There aren't any books or websites I can look at for information. :S - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:40, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Another question for ya, where would I find historic population figures for towns, like Stephens City? Google just plain isn't being my friend tonight on this one. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:49, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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re- blocked page ( rentagreenbox)

Hi!

I just left a message and please read it and I want to publish my 8 years of zero waste moving tips for others on wiki to add to my knowledge!

Thanks!

Spence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1013:B003:FD84:C901:2FDC:AF85:37E (talk) 04:18, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

As I and others have noted, you appear to be trying to use Wikipedia to promote a business and its products, which is not acceptable on Wikipedia. See WP:SPAM, WP:COI. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a how-to guide, so there are better places to publish "zero waste moving tips." Acroterion (talk) 11:30, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Deleted page Mr. Envi'

Hi,

I've been following this artist since last fall after I heard one of his songs on the radio. Even though he's an unsigned indie artist who owns his own label, he still manages to market himself just as well as an established indie label. I created his page because I feel that some of the unsigned artist that have been investing and proving themselves on a regular basis deserve to at least have their stories seen on a wiki page. I've seen other artist pages on here that haven't released their first project and yet their pages are still up. It's already bad enough these artist don't get enough exposure or credit for their work, but to get rejected because of a technicality. I've researched the information listed on his page and listed links for reference purposes. If the content that I've posted isn't enough, you are more than welcome to google him. I'm sure you'll find more than enough references to keep his page active. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ss2spoon (talk • contribs) 05:46, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Please see WP:MUSICIAN for notability guidelines. Self-sourcing and social media do not establish notability. Additionally, the article was inappropriately promotional. Acroterion (talk) 11:29, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Cat Creek KY, HUH?

Hey- Sorry if I missed the evnt, but what is going on with Cat Creek KY???Coal town guy (talk) 17:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

See the history of Cat Creek, Montana and its talkpage for the long-term trolling. They thought they'd found a new target in Kentucky. At least 211 abusive accounts over the past eight months or so. Acroterion (talk) 17:47, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Crazy, thats almost as bad as Two Dot, Montana Some folks are convinced its the most remote place on earth.....visited by nomadic tribes.....hence why I posted their postmark and had a most charming exchange with their IOC at the post office. Some folks gotta live big.........Coal town guy (talk) 17:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

BunaB

Your memory is good. I also recall Mason City, Iowa (where he was based) played River City in the movie The Music Man. Thank you for mentioning this to me. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 15:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for BunaB

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Fine Arts
For a timeless exposition of BunaB's primitive conceptual art

We are not worthy. BunaB is a (the?) classic Wikipedia article. So very well written, tiptoeing along the edge of incredulity. One could never find that in the encyclopedia!--Rpclod (talk) 00:10, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you: I was trying to be careful to honor Al Crowder's vision of exceptional adequacy by sticking to his style of expression, which cannot be improved upon, much like the Improved #7. I really have to find a copy of that Playboy article. You know, research and all. Acroterion (talk) 00:14, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Rubber Diamonds, extremely new element.

These are real and although not complete, is all fact. Undo your delete action, please. Respond to this when you have the time.

Stop posting hoaxes. Acroterion (talk) 23:52, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department

I seem to be in a revert war over this page. Could you please whatever must be done. Also, even by my standards, the misconduct section of this article seems more than overlong. Could you take a look and provide some adult guidance? Paul, in Saudi (talk) 09:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

User spamming talk page

User talk:Ebrandingindia is spamming his/her own talk page after bring blocked.--Vincent Liu (something to say?) 22:49, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

captainsparklez

Can u please redirect this page to Jordan Maron.ElectroPro (talk) 18:12, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Done, using the apparently preferred orthography of CaptainSparklez.. Acroterion (talk) 18:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

How Long on WIkipedia?

Welcome back. I see on your user page you have a tag for homlong you have been here. I admire that but do not remember when I first signed up. Where can I find that information? Paul, in Saudi (talk) 04:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Your first edit was on 11 June 2003 (go to "My contributions" and "earliest" at the bottom. I think you're such an old-timer that you predate the user creation log: I can't find one for you, in any case. Acroterion (talk) 04:29, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you.Paul, in Saudi (talk) 04:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikilove

Thank you for reverting the vandalism on my talk page. :) Wieldthespade (talk) 01:58, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. It's helpful when sockpuppets announce themselves so clearly. Acroterion (talk) 02:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

fairness

I suggest that this page is about the truth movement which is precisely a movement contesting the official theory, which by the way has its own page. It is therefore unacceptable that the official theory should be re-stated in the very page that seeks to question its truthfulness. It remains a fact that a large tract of the world population has grave concerns to say the least about the government own conspiracy theory. Facts I am quoting are well documented such as excessive aircraft speed, unexplained total structural collapse of WTC 1 2 and 7, flight deck of flight on Pentagon not having been opened, etc. I am also an architect and form part of the ever-growing number of professionals who view the official theory with increasing suspicion as to its veracity. Alternatively remove the whole section stating the official conspiracy theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrrev (talk • contribs) 23:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

You're introducing your own opinions, together with patent falsehoods. The article is not a place to post your opinions, nor is it a place to present only Truther views: see WP:FRINGE. Acroterion (talk) 23:50, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Bakers union edits

Hello:

I amended my page edits to reflect a more neutral opinion...and based solely on fact.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorkonaspork (talk • contribs) 04:26, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

No, you continued to edit-war to include a slightly toned-down version of your own opinion. You will be blocked if you do that again. Acroterion (talk) 14:34, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page

Why did you delete my page Acroterion Please Please tell me It was my page I really like it please give it back please.

Moony22 (talk) 17:39, 17 November 2012 (UTC)Moony22

Wikipedia doesn't accept hoax articles. Also, please use caution when self-identifying: the Internet is not a good place for children to post personal information. Acroterion (talk) 17:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Dylan Underwood

This page should not be protected. There is a great article for this person that has lots of good information about his history and career. --DU2010OR (talk) 03:53, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

And how is this person notable by Wikipedia guidelines? See WP:BIO for the relevant material. Also, please review WP:COI, since you appear to have a connection with the subject. Acroterion (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
This person has had a major impact on his local community and within the state. The article I have seen created is great about this person and would be great information to the public. --DU2010OR (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Am I going to get a response from you on creating this page?--DU2010OR (talk) 01:49, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I wasn't planning on expanding on the advice above, but I'll reiterate. Read WP:BIO and WP:GNG to review notability guidelines, then WP:BLP, WP:RS and WP:V for sourcing requirements. The article I deleted clearly did not meet notability guidelines: to establish notability for any subject, it must be covered by multiple independent reliable sources and must demonstrate more than purely local notability. Doing imaging work for a local radio station isn't sufficient. Acroterion (talk) 02:20, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
There is a lot more then just radio imaging for major market radio stations. Here is a page that someone started that more info has been added to. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dylan Underwood --DU2010OR (talk) 05:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
That's a good place to start: I still don't see a strong claim to meeting Wikipedia notability guidelines, the article is somewhat promotional in nature, and sourcing is weak on independent media. We'll see what other editors think. Acroterion (talk) 12:40, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Poor MrX

I was not aware that MrX was being hounded by such malicious vandals. My heart goes out to him.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 04:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, not that particular user, I hope (note that crucial space), but we see a lot of "Mr. Unpopular Teacher is a pedophile" vandalism, and there's no point in making it easy. Acroterion (talk) 04:51, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
That was me being a bit humorous.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 05:06, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
I know: I wasn't quite awake enough to compose a comparable reply. Having dealt with events that ended up involving police and distraught parents, I have trouble maintaining the notion that Wikipedia exists in a consequence-free bubble. Acroterion (talk) 14:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Deletion - Fairfield-Grace United Methodist Church

Hi. I'd like your guidance on this: - I work for the church, and we hold the copyright to the history and directory. There's no violation here, and the community is better served to get this information out, instead of on an obscure page on the church's site. - The church is remarkable because it's a local landmark, the site of many town events, and has been for 50 years. We're referenced on the town's wiki page.

Look forward to your feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbissell (talk • contribs) 21:43, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

While you could in principle donate the content, as the copyright/deletion notice discusses, it would be better to write a short encyclopedic account using the church web content as a source. That, however, does nothing to establish the organization's notability: for that you'll need references from third-party publications that make clear the church's notability on more than a local level. See WP:ORG for guidelines. Since the church website is clearly copyrighted, the content can't be hosted on Wikipedia unless clear permission is granted via a change of the copyright terms on the source webpage or by explicit permission via the Wikipedia OTRS system. If the church is on a historical register, that would establish notability for the building. Acroterion (talk) 21:57, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

KitchenAid

I too come to you in search of adult guidance. Lookie at the article above. The firm said something stupid on their Twitter account. This is true, but not too important. Now editors who I suspect work for the firm are blanking the account of what happened. If someone would just talk on the talk page, I am sure we could reach a meeting of minds. But my hard-headed nature seems to object to their high-handed method of editing. Tell me what you think. --Paul, in Saudi (talk) 01:19, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I see the material as ephemera: remarkably dumb, but not of lasting importance, and more of an employee-management issue than anything else. I'd leave it out of an encyclopedia article unless the statement had the endorsement of the board and top managers, which it apparently didn't. That said, the IP is almost certainly a sockpuppet of the blocked edit-warrior from KA PR, but I don't see this as something worth the fight. Acroterion (talk) 01:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Concur. I have sent messages to everyone asking them to talk. You may wish to monitor, as your schedule allows.--Paul, in Saudi (talk) 02:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Clinovo page

Hello,

It seems you deleted the Clinovo page in June 2011 due to "unambiguous copyright infringement". Is there a way to use the deleted page to start from there to create a new one? And can you point out what the infringement was at that time?

Thank you,

Olivier Clinovo Marketing Team — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clinovo (talk • contribs) 19:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

The version I deleted was a copy of this [4] (which apparently no longer exists), and as such was unusable at the time on Wikipedia as a copyright violation, as user-generated content and as advertising. It was three paragraphs long and wasn't very informative. I suggest that you write a neutrally-worded, factual article based on third-party sources, and that you carefully read WP:COI first, since you have a clear conflict of interest in the subject. You'll need to clearly assert how the company is notable (see WP:CORP) by reference to third-party coverage, and you'll need to strictly avoid marketing-speak and promotion, and to remember that you will not be able to control the content once it's created. You'll also need to change your username to one that reflects you individually, rather than a company (Wikipedia, for complex issues relating to free-content copyright law, can't accept contributions from entities such as the "Clinovo Marketing Team"). While you're not prohibited from editing with a COI, you'll need to be extra-diligent in avoiding promotion. Acroterion (talk) 19:50, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
As an Admin, you welcomed me to Wikipedia, well, some 8 months later, I just published my 2000th article, there will of course be a few thousand more, but again, thanks for the welcome, and intro. It was and is encouraging to learn Coal town guy (talk) 02:11, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! It's been a pleasure to see you wade in and start contributing, particularly as your interests concern the lands of my ancestors. Keep keep on going! Acroterion (talk) 03:26, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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Deletion

Just want to know why the article Total Media Networks SA was deleted, I just want you to give some advice on how to put it in order to make it worthy of Wikipedia, Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergiosam77 (talk • contribs) 04:57, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

You would need to make it non-promotional and you'd need to avoid copying from copyrighted sources, as well as use third-party sources to make the notability of the company clear. The article as you wrote it did not meet requirements in any of those three areas. It's up to you to resolve those issues. 14:35, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually

Your edit summary was a lie because the article as it is now is not adhering to the neutral point of view policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herpderp123456 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Deletion

Thank you for trying to explain the reason why you deleted my articles (although there is no reason). You claim it is 'Copyright Infringement' - do you not think the fact that it was written by my great grandfather in the first place and that I actually have the originals... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oneill05 oneill (talk • contribs)

Replied on user's talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 18:57, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Marteria

Hi,

I justed wanted to look up Marteria on wikipedia. Note that this person very much exists. He's been on place #1 one of the german charts with "Lila Wolken" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q44EBUesb3s) for a while now. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marteria

Maybe you can undo the delete of the english version. Thanks, Doro — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.1.73 (talk) 23:28, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't question that the artist exists, just whether they're notable. If you have material that substantiates the artist's notability, by all means please register an account and write a better article. The version I deleted did not incdicate any sort of notability. Acroterion (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

An optimist

Hey, can you help me become a admin? I need to patrol Young Zaphod's socks so whenever Young Zaphod makes a sock or meatpuppet, so I can ban or block those socks.--Dannymilliren (talk) 00:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

No. You have 81 edits and none of them in article space, and you appear to want to block people you don't like. Acroterion (talk) 01:59, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for bringing yourself to my attention: whatever you're trying to do with Wikipedia, it isn't working, and I've blocked you on competence and disruption grounds, not to mention probable sockpuppetry. Acroterion (talk) 02:11, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

rescue and recovery effort attack after Spt. 11

I did source my information from the socail Journal artical in the paragraph. Do I need to reference it some other way or what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ans027 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed that. The material is, however, tangential to the main article and rather out-of-place; you might want to consider tightening it so it doesn't place undue weight on that topic. It appears that a class is editing the article, and maybe others - that's a good thing, and we'd like to help you if you need assistance, or need feedback. Acroterion (talk) 17:26, 28 November 2012

Yes, I am apart of that class. I am talking about the effects that were placed on the emergency relief teams. It is for a social disaster class and we all have to use the same page. I dont know where else I can fit in the effects that were cause from the disaster to the police, firmen, etc.

It's always best to keep in mind the main point of the article, and to add material in proportion to its importance. It appears to me that your part is too detailed, and more of a statement of opinion and sentiment than clear encyclopedic fact. Sometimes when classes edit Wikipedia, they lose sight of the objective, which is to write a good encyclopedia, rather than to add material simply because it was assigned. That leads to bloated, unfocused articles. Is there some other, more directly relevant issue that you believe the article needs to address? Can you pare down your additions? Often, a well-crafted sentence has more impact than a loose paragraph. Acroterion (talk) 17:57, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Under Health Effects responders' toxins can I add a section for health effects responders' faced mentally? I have several articles that talk about the post tramatic stress that emergency relief teams faced after 9/11. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ans027 (talk • contribs) 00:55, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXX, November 2012

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Removing of the Page Randy Shelton

Dear Randy, I am Writing your Biography and went to Wikipedia for more info that we had already put into wikipedia, and Wikipedia Removed Content can you give me Some more Information about yourself

Amy Tibens Biographer on Hire by North Texas Strategic Comunications

I would Like to Know Why this is--James981 (talk) 04:59, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you're asking about an article on a local Texas politician deleted in 2011?? If that is the case, you might want to look at Wikipedia's guidelines for notability of politicians. In general, one must have held statewide office to be considered a notable politician for Wikipedia purposes, or have been a mayor of a major city. Local party figures and county-level politicians aren't considered notable unless they've gotten a lot of press coverage, usually on a national basis. Joe Arpaio would be an example of such an official, but he's the exception that proves the rule. Additionally, Wikipedia requires that biographies of living persons be appropriately sourced, and while the article had one source, the bulk of the content was unsupported by reliable sourcing. Your consultant might want to review Wikipedia's policies on conflict of interest, as paid writing is very much frowned upon as unlikely to have an appropriately neutral editorial distance from their subjects. Acroterion (talk) 05:10, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Also, if you wish, I can place the deleted content into your userspace sandbox for further development, or I can email it to you if you've enabled email in your user preferences. Acroterion (talk) 15:31, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Jenkinjones, WV some buildings...

Hey- As one of my first edits resulted in you and me chatting about Jenkinjones, WV, I thought I would show you the actual buildings and their pics (gasp) mentioned. These were taken in 2011, and YES are in the article...[[5]]. Let me know what you thinkCoal town guy (talk) 18:07, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

IF you ever want to go there, let me know, its quite the driveCoal town guy (talk) 14:40, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle

Decemmber 8 - Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle - You're invited
Seattle Public Library
  • Date Saturday, December 8, 2012
  • Time 10 a.m. – 3 p.m.
  • Location Seattle Public Library Meeting Room 1 on Level 4, Central Library, 1000 4th Avenue, Seattle WA, 98104
  • Event An editathon on Seattle-related Wikipedia articles with Wikipedia tutorials and Librarian assistance on hand.
  • Hashtag #wikiloveslib or #glamwiki.
  • Registration http://wll-seattle.eventbrite.com or use on-wiki regsistration.

Yours, Maximilianklein (talk) 04:15, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Biscayne again

I grabbed a few images directly from the NPS webpages and placed them in the article. I believe that this is fine so long as the images aren't attributed. I also placed some images in the article from the NPS page that stated the images were for media, website use, meaning PD. The images are just placeholders as you may have some of your own that are better...or be able to find better ones elsewhere like off Flickr. Mike Cline mentioned on my talkpage we are missing a Glacier historical structure article...I'll probably do the stub on that unless you beat me to it since that is an area you're more familiar with. Anyway, getting back to Biscayne, it's looking pretty good...I'll try to expand the ecology section some more soon if you wish.MONGO 17:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I saw your work; my impression about the images is the same, that credited images should be avoided unless it specifically says "NPS photographer." I don't have much in the way of my own images: we lacked access to a boat and tours weren't running the morning we were there. There was scarcely any horizon out on the bay and the pictures I got were pretty prosaic. I'm going to lay off Biscayne for a few days, maybe do some work on linked articles (I created Cocolobo Cay Club for instance today), and come back to it to in a week or so to reorganize, copyedit, fix and organize references, etc. Anything you have the time to do is welcome.
I'll take a look at doing an article on the Saint Mary's complex - there was a gap there for some reason I don't recall, but it should be fillable. Acroterion (talk) 18:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
To keep it all in one place...I've added comments at my usertalk when you get a chance...I'm short on time the next few days, but will chime in as I can...--MONGO 01:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

sock...

Thanks for that quick action! I truly hope they'll get it, but by now doubt it (irony is: I think the endresult will be exactly as they hope)... L.tak (talk) 19:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome: thank you for your help. I would think that they'd find it preferable to explain why they're upset rather than try to talk to the Italian police about an article on the English Wikipedia. We've gone a long way toward resolving what we think their concerns may be, and I've blocked the editor who seems to be adding the problematic content, but it would be much easier for all parties if they'd just explain rather than making new accounts to repeat the "denuciation." Acroterion (talk) 19:38, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
and we have another one; there is progress, but still no retraction of legal threats etc...... User:Liberty8888 L.tak (talk) 14:38, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm inclined to leave that one alone for the moment, and to restore their comments, as long as they confine themselves to commenting and constructive dialogue. While it's not the letter of NLT policy, I think it could bear fruit, and sooner than it might if we keep blocking on sight. Acroterion (talk) 15:08, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/WLM-US 2013 discussion

Would definitely be appreciated. Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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New to Wikipedia

Hello, I am new to wikipedia and I am confused. I noticed you deleted the external link I place. This link is to a site that provides answers to questions about FDA regulations. It has useful information throughout the pages and it has a livehelp link that can provide immediate answers to questions. Isn't this something that should be on a page about the FDA?

Maria — Preceding unsigned comment added by MariaRegExpert (talk • contribs) 20:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Links to offers of services are discouraged on Wikipedia: it is considered advertising. External links should be confined to sites that provide encyclopedic content in greater detail than the summary format found on Wikipedia. That was not the case for your link, which appears to be intended to drive traffic to the website. Please see WP:ELNO for external link policy, and in particular items 1, 4 and 13. The article is about the FDA, not about companies providing services for FDA interaction. Acroterion (talk) 20:56, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

File:Sawtooth Valley ID1.jpg

I was thinking of renominating File:Sawtooth Valley ID1.jpg as a featured picture candidate on Wikipedia. I didn't notice until a few weeks ago that you had nominated in July, and it is unfortunate that there were only two votes. If you think you can fix the chromatic aberration beforehand, please do. Hopefully we can get more people to vote the second time. Fredlyfish4 (talk) 00:55, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

I have a version that I haven't uploaded that fixes the CA. I'll check it in the next day or so and upload it. Acroterion (talk) 05:15, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Very nice image...Featured on Commons though. I'd participate in such discussions if I better understood what the criteria is.--MONGO 17:19, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
FPs must have significant encyclopedic value, must be used in at least one article, must be visually interesting, and must be of a high technical standard. I'm surprised the chromatic aberration wasn't criticized in the FP review on Commons, but it's correctable. CA is usually a purple fringe on the border of dark and light objects, the product of inconsistencies in the way a lens manipulates the light path depending on frequency. Lenses are mostly quite good at this, but a little Photoshop is sometimes necessary - there are filters that are customized to each lens's characteristics that do a good job of correction. I didn't have that when I originally uploaded the image. I'm doing some corrections now and will uploaded the improved version in a while. Acroterion (talk) 02:25, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the fix. I have renominated the photo at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Sawtooth Valley ID1.jpg (renomination). Fredlyfish4 (talk) 00:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the write-up, nice job. Acroterion (talk) 04:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
  • WOW! Just noticed this when it popped up on my watchlist, gave it a look-see and glad I did. That is some awesome photography there, Acroterion! Nicely done! :) I am totally stealing this for a wallpaper. :) Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

ThinkLite page deletion

Dear Acroterion,

Could you please explain why you deleted the ThinkLite page?

I believe that ThinkLite could be a valuable resource for people doing research in the efficient lighting field.

It is a real business that is run by a real person. You can find more information here: http://thinklite.com/index.htm

Kindest regards, Y.Novo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Y.Novo (talk • contribs) 02:18, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

It was deleted because it made no indication of notability. We understand that it exists: existence isn't sufficient for inclusion. See WP:CORP for notability guidelines for corporations. Acroterion (talk) 02:20, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


Dear Acroterion,

I apologize for not including this earlier: ThinkLite and Dinesh Wadhwani were mentioned in Businessweek; Dinesh was noted as the #2 most notable person in the 25 under 25 category. Here is the link with the information: http://bostinno.com/2011/09/26/businessweek-top-25-under-25-3-boston-area-founders-honored-as-americas-best-young-entrepreneurs/

I will promptly include this in the page if you kindly restore it.

Kindest regards, Y.Novo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Y.Novo (talk • contribs) 02:28, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

That's a start: you will need a couple more sources like that, preferably from somewhere other than Boston. Since you have the same content in your sandbox I suggest that you expand it there using multiple sources and explain how the company is notable before you re-create it in article space. Acroterion (talk) 02:33, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Cocolobo Cay Club

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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Bensalem Township, Pennsylvania

I seem to be having a bit of a spat with user 72.95.40.41 over this page. I am quite certain the passage I wrote and cited is correct. But as always, I turn to you for adult supervision. Your thoughts? --Paul, in Saudi (talk) 03:29, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

While it's all referenced and everything, I'm not convinced that it's significant enough to be included: it looks a bit like a coatrack. Personally, I'd lose the gun club bit entirely, as the organization (ignoring their practices for the moment) seems far from central to the subject.. Acroterion (talk) 04:31, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker):@Paul: if you are trying to get the Bensalem Township, Pennsylvania article up to GA or FA status, give a look-see to Stephens City, Virginia. That article went through GA and FA so it will give you a good idea of how a town article should look. If you need a peer review, please let me know. Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:38, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
  • OK< I may be being like a dog with a bone in my teeth on this. If the other editor changes it back, I shall let it stay changed. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 12:08, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Eva McCall

If it is still around when you see this message, could you please delete that talk page? I was trying to make a housekeeping closure on an AfD about that article which you had already speedy deleted. I didn't realize the script I was using would re-create the talk page. Sorry. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 03:45, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of jakedrew. page

There is content that I was going to add after saving the article and it got deleted. The content is encyclopedia worthy and I would like to recreate this page please. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xnet.killer (talk • contribs) 12:52, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

You may wish to develop the content in a sandbox in your userspace at User:Xnet.killer/sandbox. The article made no credible assertion of notability: see WP:MUSICIAN for nobility guidelines. Acroterion (talk) 12:55, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Saint Mary Ranger Station

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Your recent Wiki deletion

Hi Actoterion,

This is regarding the recent page you deleted - 

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zomboy on 12th December 2012

I am writing as a fan of the artist 'Zomboy' , he is a legit artist and you can verify that at

1. https://itunes.apple.com/gb/artist/zomboy/id459440652 2.http://www.facebook.com/ZomboyOfficial 3. http://www.beatport.com/artist/zomboy/199919 4. http://www.songkick.com/artists/4470303-zomboy

I sincerely hope you revert these changes, as a fan of the artist and a avid wiki user; it would be shameful to not let the world learn about him.

Sincerely Shivanu M — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.220.238.16 (talk) 05:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

The article I deleted gave no indication of notability. See WP:MUSICIAN for guidelines. Links to user-generated content are not useful for establishing notability - you'll need links to third-party media like newspapers, etc. to establish that critics have taken notice. Since the article has now been deleted five times, and was the subject of a full deletion discussion the first time, any article must bring substantive new sourcing that clearly establishes compliance with inclusion guidelines. I've placed create-protection on the title to prevent further disruption: registered accounts may wish to develop an appropriate article in a userspace sandbox, or editors may wish to try articles for creation. Everybody should first review WP:Articles for deletion/Zomboy. Acroterion (talk) 12:20, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

64.134.134.64

Thanks for blocking this IP. He/she has now gone on a rant that looks like a personal attack to me on their talk page. Thought I would let you know. Dbrodbeck (talk) 19:54, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I've replied, not that it will do any good. I don't think they quite grasp that we need to solve the little problem of providing limitless material and energy resources before such a society can come into being: if that happens, well hallelujah, money's dead. Acroterion (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, well put. Dbrodbeck (talk) 20:30, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

A polite request

But that guy deleted my article and its REAL!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! PLEASE GET MY ARTCLE BACK I BEG YOU D: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitten720 (talk • contribs) 18:29, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

And your argument for restoration is to vandalize his talkpage? I don't see that working out very well. Acroterion (talk) 18:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

"I don't want to live on this planet anymore."

We are having waaay too much with this guy and he is so full of something that he doesn't get it. This edit (and the other part in green) shows he actually believes that User:A Quest For Knowledge is some "operative" for a government agency. What User:A Quest For Knowledge is just damn funny and the guy believes every word of it. Wow, just wow. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:00, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I've decided to avoid further comment, as I really don't want to goad the guy: I'm sorry he feels that way, but I'm not interested in trying to help him in his personal reality. Acroterion (talk) 19:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I commented after he was blocked (on ANI), he wasn't goaded in any way. I'd keep an eye on the article/talk page, as I have a feeling this guy will pop back up before his 31 hours is up. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
No, I didn't think he was goaded either, just wanted to keep it that way. If he shows up again, he can be dealt with summarily now. Acroterion (talk) 19:26, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I figure plenty of eyes will be on that guy in 31 hours. So, I won't have to hop in next time. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:54, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

Hi Acroterion. I'm just letting you know that I have temporarily removed the autopatrolled flag that you accorded to User:Mishae in January due to issues I found when patrolling new oages and concerns expressed by other editors. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Personal attacks

I did not make personal attacks. I simply said that I would be angry if my page was taken down. Who wouldn't. I worked really hard on that page. Then I am told that my sources are bad when they are written by the creator of the film himself. After that I am told that the page is a autobiography. Alien Adventures (The s is there) is not a true story. The film may be about me and my friends, but the story is nearly complete fiction. You cannot take down my page for FisherQueens reasons and this is why: www.codykmovie.blog.com. That has all the sources. I did not make any personal attacks, I only stated the facts. Thank You, Cody T. Kear, The Director of Alien Adventures — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloonsman16 (talk • contribs)

You most certainly attacked FisherQueen, and you clearly don't or won't understand Wikipedia's notability, sourcing and verification requirements. Wikipedia isn't a place for you to publicize your personal and non-notable projects. That is why the article has been nominated for deletion, which FisherQueen has explained to you with much greater politeness and patience than you've displayed. Acroterion (talk) 18:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Personal attacks reboot

By the way, you cannot call my talk on my blog as attacks because I was angry and my blog has hardly anything to do with Wikipedia and it was not said on Wikipedia so it cannot be used against me because of the factuality that it is just saying what I think and it was not originally meant to be read by anyone else but me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloonsman16 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I haven't read your blog, nor am I interested in doing so, since it is not a useful source for encyclopedia articles: I'm responding to the abuse on FisherQueen's talkpage. However, if you don't want something to be read by others, the Internet is a poor place to post it, particularly by linking it two paragraphs up on the 5th most popular website in the world. Acroterion (talk) 18:27, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I didn't want it to be read at the time. I didn't say anything about right now. I just wanted to create a page but she had to be mean and say my sources aren't notable when they are more notable than most sources on this site. That blog is more useful for an encyclopedia than any thing that is on this site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloonsman16 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Blogs aren't usable as sources in most cases on Wikipedia, nor are most kinds of user-generated content. They most definitely aren't useful to establish notability, as the whole point of notability is to indicate that the world in general has taken critical notice of the subject. Read WP:NOTE, WP:V and WP:RS. Acroterion (talk) 19:15, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Personal attacks 3: The Return of the Trying to Protect

That was not an attack. This page was not personal as it was for a film. This became personal when FisherQueen called me a girl. All I said was that my blog was really reliable and that the blog was more reliable than most of the sources on this website are because it was made by the director of the film. Then I told that other guy what was going on, not attacking her. Give me one example of how I supposedly attacked her. I said I would be angry, not that I was going to do anything to her. I am not a girl. Cody Thomas Kear

File:Bloonsman16 wierd.jpg

(talk) 18:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)]]

(Butting in) "You're worse than the worst people I know" is about as clear a personal attack as I can imagine. Please don't do that again. Antandrus (talk) 18:41, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

She was also being very very mean at the second that I made it and she had blocked me because I am not a reliable source for my own movie. I would lave to see her look at this from my point of view. I just tried to make a page for an upcoming film with a blog from the maker of the film for sources and then she said that this film isn't notable. Maybe she isn't a fan of my film but I'm not a fan of Justin Bieber but do you see me saying that he isn't notable enough for a page. NO, YOU DON"T. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloonsman16 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

She as not being mean, you are not entitled to lash out at editors who are concerned that you're misusing Wikipedia for your personal projects, and being addressed as "she" is not an insult in a context where your gender was unknown. We call lots of girls "he" by assumption or accident on the Internet: sometimes it gets evened up. Acroterion (talk) 19:07, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Blocks

Oh and by the way, she had already blocked me for no apparent reason right before I typed that out of anger. Why do you think I was so angry at her.Bloonsman16 (talk) 19:41, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

You weren't blocked. You were never blocked [6]. If you were blocked, you wouldn't have been able to make your personal attack. An IP address was blocked [7], but that would not and did not affect this account. Bear in mind that logging out to pretend you're somebody else can get you blocked, and in this case the IP was blocked to force you to use your named account. Acroterion (talk) 19:43, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Young editors

I'll think about what I can add to your efforts, and you might consider contacting C. Fred and Gimmetrow. The three of us are the only admins that pay attention to the Disney Channel/Nickelodeon articles, and, not surprisingly, these are a magnet for tween editors.

The one characteristic I've noticed is that they seem to think that Wikipedia really matters in a causal sense. They believe that if they insert lots of awards for Selena Gomez and remove awards for Demi Lovato that this actually benefits Selena Gomez and that she will appreciate their efforts. It makes them quite hard to deal with at times.

Late-teen boys dealing with Rihanna/Mariah Carey/Lady Gaga/Beyonce Knowles are a similar story. The little shrines they insist on building can be quite frustrating to deal with.—Kww(talk) 16:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Will do. I note that the subject of young editors got a lot of attention and no consensus between 2005 and 2008, but it was mostly about imposing limitations on young editors, rather than a discussion of issues and interactions. I think times have changed since then and that while we have reams of policy on the naming of ships and the placement of emdashes, we offer no guidance on how to treat one of our largest user groups, and the one that is critical to Wikipedia's future.
I'll think about causality, which I've mostly ignored so far.
Link for my 346-odd talkpage watchers: User:Acroterion/Dealing with the young
What I don't want to do is to encourage editors to pigeonhole kids as an excuse to not take them seriously. I've encountered some very sharp 12 and 13 year olds who deserve our respect. Unfortunately, there are a lot of others whom we must deal with on other terms. Acroterion (talk) 17:29, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry

I would like to sincerely apologize for my stupidity in the last week. I just got angry because I was blocked. If FisherQueen had sent me a message instead of just blocking me, I would not have gotten so angry. When my movie is a little bit more publicized, I would like to make the page again. This time I will have correct sources, get Wizard or some other magazine to write an article, and get everything together. I would really like to be forgiven and once again I am sorry for my idiotics.

Cody Kear

Your partial apology still tries to justify your angry response to advice from other editors. However, for my part, I accept what there is. Wikipedia editors forgive lots of things, some of them far less forgivable than anything you've done, and once you realize that the encyclopedia doesn't exist for your benefit on your terms, you will be able to contribute - just not on subjects that directly concern you. I've blocked this IP for longer, because I think you need time away from Wikipedia (if nothing else, to concentrate on your school and your art) - and when your account is blocked you're not permitted to edit at all.. That's not a punishment, it's just best for all concerned. Give yourself a couple of years to mature and you'll understand what we're talking about. Until then, make your movie, have fun, and be creative. Acroterion (talk) 20:36, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

my name was placed on a page for me being a "Notable Resident" of Niskayuna, NY — but spelled wrong

Hi! The truth is, I am a notable resident of Niskayuna. I am a well known activist/entertainer — and easily found on google under many stories that have been published about myself in the media. "Holly Van Voast" "topless paparazzo" — I am the first person to actually go around regularly and consistently — in public and private areas — completely topless in NYC — for over a year and a half, at this point in time. While it has been legal to be topless in NY State for over 20 years, noone has ever done that before me to such an extent. I have been arrested over 10 times and involuntarily hospitalized (three times, once for 6 days!) for something which is completely legal. Here is the trailer for the documentary about me that is being sent to festivals right now... it's called TOPLESS SHOCK SYNDROME, and so is the title of the book I am writing about my topless activities in NYC over the past year and a half. http://talonfilms.com/topless/tss_doc_trailer.html

Ron Kuby, the renowned civil rights lawyer is in the trailer, as is Ramona Santorelli, the woman responsible for the 1992 ruling allowing women to go topless in NY State, and Moira Johnston, another (recent) topless activist. All of these people can be researched fully.

here are some media links about me and what I have been doing: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/nyregion/answering-a-summons-on-disrobing-and-disrobing-in-court.html?_r=0 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/16/holly-van-voast-nudist-wins-right-toplessness-mta-transportation_n_1788864.html http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/serial_breast_barer_holly_van_voast_njXF4vuIIjTfU7RmNxQkwO http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/02/28/flashing-photographer-bares-herself-again-this-time-in-court/

I am also on the actual Ron Kuby website as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lensjockey (talk • contribs) 02:33, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I didn't post my name on the Niskayuna page, but could it be put back somehow, only spelled correctly? Can I make a page about myself? I just found it by accident actually... the reference to me. Thanks! Holly Van Voast Lensjockey (talk) 02:12, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I removed your name from the article since at the time there was no indication that you were notable. Whether you are in fact notable depends on whether there was significant coverage of your accomplishment, and whether that coverage was of a lasting nature, rather than simple coverage of a stunt. You can't use your own material to support an article beyond simple facts, or to establish notability, and you can't use Wikipedia for publicity. You are strongly discouraged from writing about yourself: autobiographies aren't encouraged, as it is likely that if you are truly notable, someone detached from the subject will write about you. See WP:YFA and WP:AUTOBIO for more. You (and the other people you mention) will need, erm, coverage in major media, which you seem to have received, so I suspect the notability issue can be addressed. Acroterion (talk) 02:23, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Why are you reverting my facts?

These files I am including into your Wikipedia are factual information; why are you reverting them?

-Luke

well, stunt is actually the wrong word entirely for what I have been doing...

I cannot control how people respond to a VERY stressful, time consuming, dangerous, and thought out endeavor. At all. But I just wanted to talk to you about this. You know, just for the record, NYC is full of exhibitionists who don't have the courage to do what I do, and there is no rule about activism that says that you have to be like OWS, or MLK or "serious"... the humor in my own actions, not to mention other aspects of what I do seem to make people seem like I am only doing a stunt, that's too bad... and too bad that you see the same thing. hey, how many women do you know who would go around completely topless in The Bronx and actually walk into police precincts topless? Anyway, I wasn't the one posting my name initially, I just found my name on the site. So I haven't been publicizing myself all on wikipedia. I hold no grudge against you because you see things the way alot of others have, luckily my lawyers (Ron Kuby not being the only lawyer involved) don't share your views or the views of so many others. That said, you are right in that someone else will probably make a page about me in th future at some point. I appreciate your response — everything is cool! Lensjockey (talk) 02:40, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I didn't characterize your actions as a stunt, I just mention that stunts don't meet notability guidelines, having had no prior knowledge of you and your activities. As I said, there seems to be sufficient coverage for notability to at least be asserted, though national coverage would be helpful (HuffPo is a bit marginal. Anyway, I'm slightly surprised that notbody has written an article about you, so I don't think it'll be long. Acroterion (talk) 02:47, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Strangely, and sadly, the reason that noone has written an article about me is because, although tons of news organizations and celebrities and media people have seen me, I have been seen ( pretty much without exception ) as simply some desperate talentless woman doing some dumb stunt. The truth however is, that no woman would ever (or has ever) done what I do as a stunt, you get ridiculed constantly and most people don't have the ego for what I have been doing. There are not too many stunts which involve the number of times I have been arrested and involuntarily hospitalized. It's been very interesting seeing the live results of my social experiments! Lensjockey (talk) 14:15, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

It certainly testifies to your fortitude, and one could argue that, apart from being a form of social protest, that it's performance art. In an article about you, the problem becomes that the article would have to represent what the media thinks rather than what you think, so many people who are perceived as controversial in the media tend to be unhappy when that perception becomes the basis of an article, since articles are based on mainstream media sources. Acroterion (talk) 17:11, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 Acroterion, I hope you have a Merry Christmas and hope your day is full of the true spirit of the day.
Plus, good food, good family and good times. :) Have a Great Day! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 07:18, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Spread the joy of Christmas by adding {{subst:User:Neutralhomer/MerryChristmas}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

And merry Christmas to you too: while we might not have a white Christmas, we might have an icy Boxing Day! Acroterion (talk) 17:06, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
We have a white Christmas Eve here in Shenandoah Valley. Getting a nice dusting right now, some big snowflakes earlier. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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JGVR

You may want to check out JGVR's newest van Rensselaer thread; it's WP:AN, section "An apparent stalker". Nyttend (talk) 21:04, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Happy Holidays!
From the frozen wasteland of Nebraska, USA! MONGO 12:15, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, we had a white Christmas here (usually it's a muddy Christmas) and have an ice storm to look forward to tomorrow. Hope you had a good day; I'm going to sit quietly with a glass of some of my loot once I've finished the dishes and cleaned up the remains of the roast Beast. Acroterion (talk) 03:10, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Heads-up

FYI: Hi, Acroterion. I wanted to give you a heads-up for a change I am about to make in J. D. Tippit. I saw that earlier in the year you were involved with reverting some edits from ISPs regarding the number of government investigations regarding Oswald killing Tippit. It appears as though at least four said Oswald killed Kennedy, but only two of those touched on Oswald killing Tippit. Cheers! Location (talk) 19:47, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I saw your changes: as you've noted, my reverts on the Tippit article are associated with that UK IP (now rangeblocked) who was obsessed with assassinations, disasters and jailbreaks, and who kept hitting Kennedy-related (and Lincoln, King, Alcatraz and Titanic-related articles too) articles with poorly-considered edits. After a while it became impossible to sort good from bad, so I just blocked and reverted. Thanks for adding the references. Acroterion (talk) 20:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Deletion

Hello, Acroterion, you have recently deleted my article, Reasons Why Wikipedia Is A Bad Source. It was an article meant for humor, and you deleted it. The article was satirical in purpose, and I request you put the article back up.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StopPrejudiceNow (talk • contribs) 20:44, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Satirical articles aren't found in encyclopedias. Acroterion (talk) 21:53, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Deletion

BUDDY!!!! Why did you delete my edit on Stormin Norman? UNFAIR! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.12.94.92 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia isn't a place to post memorial comments: please remember that talkpages are for discussions related to article improvements, not expressions of sympathy or support. Acroterion (talk) 17:32, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Løverne MC

Teguy you just deleted several articles from has recreated his biker gang article under the above link. I keep tagging for SD as soon as he makes them. I think he deserves a block. Cdtew (talk) 17:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know: blocked for 48 hours. Acroterion (talk) 17:37, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Tribal unrest in Bavaria

Hi Acroterion. Two days ago, you blocked 213.195.215.190 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) for edit-warring over the addition of some poorly sourced contents regarding four tribes in the state of Bavaria (WP:ANEW case—sorry, can't seem to link to the section). Earlier today, soon as the block expired, they celebrated by reverting the most recent editor, who disagreed with them. What is the proper procedure? Do I start a new WP:ANEW case, or will you step in once more? I was sorely tempted to smite the perpetrator myself, but that would likely earn me a trip to the drama board. Favonian (talk) 20:12, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Probably best that you not smite them (though nothing's stopping you from reverting if you see fit): I've left a warning and advice on appropriate sourcing and talkpage use. The best course is usually to do what you've done: follow up with the blocking admin if they're available. If they don't take my advice, they'll get a longer block. Acroterion (talk) 20:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll remove the contended material, as they are nowhere close to getting consensus for its inclusion. Favonian (talk) 20:25, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

deletion of Blue Third World

the page I created for Blue Third World was deleted by you citing "G8" 'pages dependent on nonexistent pages', however all the external links are valid.Justjeshb (talk) 04:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC)justjeshb

The article was deleted under speedy deletion criterion A7, no assertion of notability. Its talkpage was deleted in consequence as G8. Acroterion (talk) 18:15, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Sawtooth Valley ID1.jpg (renomination)
An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status
Your image, File:Sawtooth Valley ID1.jpg, was nominated on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Armbrust The Homunculus 02:50, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Congrats Acroterion! Nicely done! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:51, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of an image file

Good day,

I do have an orphaned file on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tambay.PH_Logo.png

Kindly delete it one and notify me on my user's page

Thanks dude. Happy New Year :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by D4e3px (talk • contribs) 13:44, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Done. Acroterion (talk) 14:19, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
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