User talk:Akronman

George Gund II

There are a couple issues, I think, with the editorial changes you wish to make.

1. Adding excessive detail about the distribution of his fortune in the lead is probably better left to the main text.
2. Words like "euphemistically" constitute a non-neutral point of view and may constitute "weasel words" in violation of Wikipedia guidelines. The words "extremely conservative" are used by author Pierre Clavel and by Carl Stokes, and as such are both in quotations (it is a quote) and cited.
3. Carl Stokes doesn't talk about Gund in the way your edit describes. Stokes does talk about Gund's opposition to ErieView, a downtown urban renewal project. Neither Stokes nor Cavell talk about Jim Crow-era (which, as far as I know, was mostly over by 1967 in Cleveland even though widespread racism remained a problem).
4. The claim about implementing redlining needs a citation. Otherwise, it constitutes original research. To make such a claim, a source would have to document Gund setting redlining policy for the bank, not just assuming that he did. Alternatively, a source would need to state clearly that Gund acted in the daily operations of the bank to impose redlining. Either, or both, is fine. But absent a source, we can't tell if it was Gund or someone lower who implemented redlining.
5. About the distribution of Gund's fortune: The Musson source says "bulk". If there is a source that says "roughly half", then please add that source (with a page number) and change the text back to "roughly half".
6. Also about the distribution of his fortune: If you want to add the detail that the remainder of Gund's fortune was split equally among his children, left in trust, and consisted of Kellogg stock, find sources that say that. Otherwise, such a claim constitutes original research.
7. The "not a cultural appropriator" sentence is original research. As Wikipedia editors, neither you nor I can make such claims. We have to find a source that says "Gund collected mostly Western art that depicted cowboys or Indians" and we have to find a source that says "he did nothing to help Native Americans" and a source that ties his art collecting to his refusal to help Native Americans.
8. Agnes Gund did not say anything in her interview about her father not marrying until 48, nor did she link it to his dislike of women. She makes two statements, but they are not linked with a "because" or other word which would indicate a causal relationship.
9. If you want to add the detail that Jessica Roseler was 15 years younger than Gund, find a source and re-add the comment with the source cited.
10. If you want to add the detail about "in eight years", find a source and re-add the comment with the source cited.
11. Your comment about pornography is original research, and may even constitute vandalism of the article without a source. - Tim1965 (talk) 19:51, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Tim 1965. thank you for these edit notes. I will do more research and strive to comply. 1.The pornography reference for GGiii is not intended as "vandalism"; Gund was well known for and proud of his porn habit. The Gund family incest history, tho hard to footnote, is substantive to the story and this fact about Gund's eldest son is part of that. 2."adding excessive detail" ? this merely "mirrors" the detail you've allowed... it is relevant and factual. I will find source. 3.Are you sure you can claim that Jim Crow came to an official end? 4.Cleveland Trust did redline and Gund was the president and CEO. Unless one were to seek to obscure the fact, his daily involvement is assumed. I will look for corroboration. 5.I think the interview says the rumors stemmed from Gund's extended bachelorhood... 6.Wickepedia notes Roessler's birth as '05 and Gund's as '88 a full 17 years... 7.How about the first childs birth date and the last childs birthdate? 21:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)21:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)~~

• • I found a source with Jessica Laidlaw Roesler's date of birth. You've been consistently incorrect about the year of her birth. This is why we use sources, not our own personal knowledge or memories, for articles. I strongly encourage you to find sources for the other edits you wish to make. - Tim1965 (talk) 23:56, 18 June 2020 (UTC)