User talk:Alan walker9
Garad[edit]
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Aw (father)[edit]
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Magherbin (talk) 06:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
December 2023[edit]
Please stop. If you continue to make edits with misleading or inaccurate edit summaries, even if unintentional, you may be blocked from editing. Magherbin (talk) 13:57, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- can you elaborate please? Alan walker9 (talk) 01:56, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- see your summary when you claimed the other user didnt delete content. [1] Magherbin (talk) 02:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- about that, i see i made a mistake by saying he didn't delete anything.
- He was actually expanding the page though, don't you agree?
- I was simply against your act by rv the whole page. Alan walker9 (talk) 02:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- see your summary when you claimed the other user didnt delete content. [1] Magherbin (talk) 02:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
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Adal (historical region)[edit]
Hello, I'm Magherbin. I noticed that you recently removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Magherbin (talk) 03:18, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- I've pointed out the reason why? The citation and what's written didn't match Alan walker9 (talk) 03:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Sewasew is referring to Encyclopaedia Aethiopica its a copied version of the article from that source. Magherbin (talk) 03:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- sewasew isn't an academical source, site encyclopaedia Aethiopica itself. Alan walker9 (talk) 03:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- This is what it states in the encylopedia however i've added your edits on there as well. Now people wont be able to see the content in the source itself because I linked it directly to the encyclopedia on google books. Magherbin (talk) 03:47, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Cite them both, by the way none of the references except for the 3rd citation speaks about the Adal region the first 2 spoke about adal sultanate. Alan walker9 (talk) 03:55, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- We should leave the location in the geography section. Are you going to move it? Alan walker9 (talk) 03:57, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean? Adal sultanate encompasses the Adal region they are not separate entities. Magherbin (talk) 03:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- what's the purpose of the page then? Redirect it to Adal sultanate page.
- Also if that's the matter, add Zeila as the references mention it as part of it. Alan walker9 (talk) 04:01, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- I just did that. Magherbin (talk) 04:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Magherbin Here is the index for Encyclopaedia Aethiopica [2], you can easily make the citation for Encyclopaedia Aethiopica without linking that sewasew website. There are also a large number of free parts of Encyclopaedia Aethiopica on that website once you make an account (its free). Socialwave597 (talk) 18:21, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- I just did that. Magherbin (talk) 04:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean? Adal sultanate encompasses the Adal region they are not separate entities. Magherbin (talk) 03:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- This is what it states in the encylopedia however i've added your edits on there as well. Now people wont be able to see the content in the source itself because I linked it directly to the encyclopedia on google books. Magherbin (talk) 03:47, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- sewasew isn't an academical source, site encyclopaedia Aethiopica itself. Alan walker9 (talk) 03:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Sewasew is referring to Encyclopaedia Aethiopica its a copied version of the article from that source. Magherbin (talk) 03:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
March 2023[edit]
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Socialwave597 (talk) 06:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- what's there disruptive?
- Solomon Gebreyes Beyene's assumption that Suhawyan could be both Afar and Somali subclans simultaneously doesn't provide any conclusive evidence. Because suhawyan is, in fact, a sub-clan of the Marehan clan.
- "Ahl Suhawyan clan of the Somali tribe of Marehan, Darod group"
- [3]https://isamveri.org/pdfdkm/08/DKM080556.pdf
- It's important to note that there is no clan named Suhawyan in afar.
- Therefore, it's crucial to avoid reversing my work based solely on this assumption, thank you. Alan walker9 (talk) 11:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, Suhawyan is not sub-clan of the Marehan. There is absolutely no evidence for this. That source you cited has already been addressed in the talk-page, the author cites Cerulli's works for the Marehan ancestry which came from oral traditions, not from the chronicles. If you look at the talk page you'll realize that there is already an ongoing discussion about this, you are welcome to (attempt) to disprove my claims before making pointless reverts like this. Socialwave597 (talk) 14:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, if you've read the source, it clearly states Suhawyan is a sub-clan of Marehan. Sebastian, quoting Cerulli (he quoted other scholars), could not be further from the truth. You're really intellectually dishonest making all this because Gebreyes made the assumption that it could be an Afar subclan in the same sentence, not excluding its Somaliness (no such thing as suhawyan in afar genealogy nor do they even claim him). We now know it's in fact a sub-clan of Marehan Somali, so could you please stop reverting it? Also, about the talk page, you're yet to respond there, so I assumed we reached a consensus. Alan walker9 (talk) 18:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Let me repeat it again for a dozen times already. Sebastian made the reference to Cerulli's work in his source, and we've already verified that the only scholar that believes Nur was a Marehan is Cerulli (his opinion is included in the article). But in his original work he does not connect the Marehan to the Suhawyan tribe mentioned in the Ethiopian chronicles, and instead cites oral traditions. Gebreyes on the other hand, believes that the Suhawyan tribe was either Afar or Somali, but he isn't really too sure. Therefore, it makes no sense to add "Somali" into the header as the sources are divergent about his ethnic background (there's also another source calling him a Harari somewhere.) There is absolutely no evidence that Suhawyan was a sub-clan of the Marehan, literally nothing whatsoever. Neither Cerulli or Gebreyes supports this. If you have a secondary source from reliable authors stating so please provide specific quotes, page numbers, and lines that supports this before attempting to revert again. Socialwave597 (talk) 07:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Address the point rather than repeating yourself then, it's not that hard. Sabestian indeed cited Cerulli, a renowned scholar, among others that he cited. Cerulli's collection of oral traditions qualifies it as a primary source, similar to Gelawdewos' chronicles that Gebreyes used to link suhawyan to either somali or afar. The absence of a connection between Suhawyan and Marehan in Cerulli's work was due to limited access to manuscripts, a gap addressed by Sabestian confirming that it's in fact a marehan sub clan, literally the reason why secondary sources exist. Gebreyes' findings neither confirm nor deny the connection, leaving it to Sebastian who connected it to Somali Marehan sub-clan. Let's focus on factual evidence rather than prolonging this debate. Regarding the Somali emir issue, I'm open to removing it if you can provide evidence directly linking Nur ibn Mujahid to either Harari or Afar origins, which in my knowledge doesn't exist. Alan walker9 (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sebastian's work is a tertiary source, not a secondary source, his work came from the source The Encyclopedia Africana Dictionary of African Biography which a encyclopedia and hence a tertiary source. Gebreyes and Cerulli's sources are secondary sources, as they are analyzing primary sources. I suggest you review WP:PSTS before making assertions like this. This shouldn't be hard to understand - as Sebastian adds a bibliography for his work (which is what tertiary sources tend to do), if we what to know what the the reliable sources say then we need to verify the secondary sources listed in his bibliography. You claimed that Sebastian apparently had access to "manuscripts" which confirmed that Suhawyan was Marehan, can you please tell me what "manuscripts"/primary sources he uses? Because I couldn't find any in his bibliography and he makes no reference to it in his work. It really does seem like you're making stuff up at this point now. According to Mohammad Hassan he is a Harari, whenever you want to believe that or not is up to you, but its cited in the article so Somali shouldn't be in the header. Socialwave597 (talk) 19:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- How does Mohammed Hassen come up to that conclusion ?
- Cerulli came to the conclusion that Nur was quite obviously Somali as the chronicles of Gelawdewos give out his clan in his nisbah "Suha(weyn"
- I don't know why you're complicating things, I don't even know why this is being debated. Yubudirsi (talk) 02:32, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sebastian's work is a tertiary source, not a secondary source, his work came from the source The Encyclopedia Africana Dictionary of African Biography which a encyclopedia and hence a tertiary source. Gebreyes and Cerulli's sources are secondary sources, as they are analyzing primary sources. I suggest you review WP:PSTS before making assertions like this. This shouldn't be hard to understand - as Sebastian adds a bibliography for his work (which is what tertiary sources tend to do), if we what to know what the the reliable sources say then we need to verify the secondary sources listed in his bibliography. You claimed that Sebastian apparently had access to "manuscripts" which confirmed that Suhawyan was Marehan, can you please tell me what "manuscripts"/primary sources he uses? Because I couldn't find any in his bibliography and he makes no reference to it in his work. It really does seem like you're making stuff up at this point now. According to Mohammad Hassan he is a Harari, whenever you want to believe that or not is up to you, but its cited in the article so Somali shouldn't be in the header. Socialwave597 (talk) 19:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Address the point rather than repeating yourself then, it's not that hard. Sabestian indeed cited Cerulli, a renowned scholar, among others that he cited. Cerulli's collection of oral traditions qualifies it as a primary source, similar to Gelawdewos' chronicles that Gebreyes used to link suhawyan to either somali or afar. The absence of a connection between Suhawyan and Marehan in Cerulli's work was due to limited access to manuscripts, a gap addressed by Sabestian confirming that it's in fact a marehan sub clan, literally the reason why secondary sources exist. Gebreyes' findings neither confirm nor deny the connection, leaving it to Sebastian who connected it to Somali Marehan sub-clan. Let's focus on factual evidence rather than prolonging this debate. Regarding the Somali emir issue, I'm open to removing it if you can provide evidence directly linking Nur ibn Mujahid to either Harari or Afar origins, which in my knowledge doesn't exist. Alan walker9 (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Let me repeat it again for a dozen times already. Sebastian made the reference to Cerulli's work in his source, and we've already verified that the only scholar that believes Nur was a Marehan is Cerulli (his opinion is included in the article). But in his original work he does not connect the Marehan to the Suhawyan tribe mentioned in the Ethiopian chronicles, and instead cites oral traditions. Gebreyes on the other hand, believes that the Suhawyan tribe was either Afar or Somali, but he isn't really too sure. Therefore, it makes no sense to add "Somali" into the header as the sources are divergent about his ethnic background (there's also another source calling him a Harari somewhere.) There is absolutely no evidence that Suhawyan was a sub-clan of the Marehan, literally nothing whatsoever. Neither Cerulli or Gebreyes supports this. If you have a secondary source from reliable authors stating so please provide specific quotes, page numbers, and lines that supports this before attempting to revert again. Socialwave597 (talk) 07:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, if you've read the source, it clearly states Suhawyan is a sub-clan of Marehan. Sebastian, quoting Cerulli (he quoted other scholars), could not be further from the truth. You're really intellectually dishonest making all this because Gebreyes made the assumption that it could be an Afar subclan in the same sentence, not excluding its Somaliness (no such thing as suhawyan in afar genealogy nor do they even claim him). We now know it's in fact a sub-clan of Marehan Somali, so could you please stop reverting it? Also, about the talk page, you're yet to respond there, so I assumed we reached a consensus. Alan walker9 (talk) 18:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, Suhawyan is not sub-clan of the Marehan. There is absolutely no evidence for this. That source you cited has already been addressed in the talk-page, the author cites Cerulli's works for the Marehan ancestry which came from oral traditions, not from the chronicles. If you look at the talk page you'll realize that there is already an ongoing discussion about this, you are welcome to (attempt) to disprove my claims before making pointless reverts like this. Socialwave597 (talk) 14:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)