User talk:Alink10273

Please don’t bite me, I’m a newbie!

I’m a university student in a Wikipedia Education class, and I’m currently learning how to contribute to Wikipedia.
I am approaching my subject in good faith.

If you have any concerns or questions, my tutor’s name is Carrolquadrio (talk · contribs). Thanks!

A beer for you!

Welcome newbie, good work! Can you tell us more about yourself? Sm999 (talk) 23:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

March 2020

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Sorry, didn't mean to! Was just trying to fix the spelling and grammar, not vandalise the page.Alink10273 (talk) 07:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Neel Kolhatkar

Hello, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions to the Neel Kolhatkar article! I believe the article may be eligible for a DYK entry, which is designed to showcase new or expanded articles on the Main Page! You would just need to think of a short, interesting fact from the page, that has been supported by a reliable source. Would you like to submit it? If you're unfamiliar with the process (WP:WIADYK), I have made several DYK submissions and could submit it with your blessing. — CR4ZE (T • C) 10:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

This is great news! I thought the articles had to be new to be nominated for DYK. I will ask this student to submit for this, perhaps if they have questions they could ask you CR4ZE (T • C) ? It would be good exposure for them to try. Thank you also for the start class rating, this student has worked hard to keep this article going, (actually nearly dropped it) it was hard to meet the strict criteria we had set in regards to academic sources, this is positive affirmation for this new user.--Carrolquadrio (talk) 23:23, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carrolquadrio: Yep, it should be eligible. From the DYK criteria: "Former redirects, stubs, disambiguation pages, and other pages in which the prose portion has been expanded fivefold or more within the past seven days are also acceptable as "new" articles". Fits the bill perfectly. I hope this will encourage your student even further with their contributions. I'm more than available for any questions/concerns about the process: please ping me, as I'm working on several things at once currently. I'm just glad somebody picked this article up and rolled with it, even if it was for "academic" purposes. I created the stub-page back in September and never got around to fleshing it out. I did some tweaking earlier on today, but otherwise, looks great. Nice work, Alink10273! — CR4ZE (T • C) 02:05, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@CR4ZE: I noticed you started the stub. Thanks for the information on DKN, I hadn't had a chance to check it out fully. I had a few students who started articles over summer in DYK, it is a great return for editors. Don't tweak the article too much, I haven't marked it yet :)--Carrolquadrio (talk) 02:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carrolquadrio: Don't forget, it's now in mainspace, so anyone can make changes to it. I mainly just wikified links. If it helps, here's a perma-link to your student's last diff. — CR4ZE (T • C) 03:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@CR4ZE:, Yes of course, I was being playful, but I do appreciate your efforts. You have taught me to ping though, I do like that.

Now we just have to work on remembering to sign off your comments. Let me know if you need any help with the DYK — CR4ZE (T • C) 03:56, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@CR4ZE:, Hi CR4ZE, thanks for helping with the stub! Sorry for getting back to you so late, I just spoke with Carrolquadrio about the offer. I'm busy preparing more material for the page that might be more exciting, but did anything that's already on there stand out to you? Would really appreciate your assistance in this process! Alink10273 (talk) 01:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Alink10273, no worries and thanks for getting back to me! Keep in mind that per the DYK criteria, there is a time limit of 7 days for submissions and your recent expansion was published on the 13th—so your DYK due date is tomorrow. To alleviate any deadline pressures, I would submit a DYK based on what you have already and you can continue to publish your additions in your own time. Here's a couple of hooks:

• ... that Neel Kolhatkar won Melbourne International Comedy Festival's 2009 Class Clowns competition?
• ... that Neel Kolhatkar began to upload YouTube videos at age fourteen?
• ... that Neel Kolhatkar played an Uber driver on the Network 10 series Street Smart?

You can submit any or all of these (DYK accepts multiple hooks and the best one is chosen), or pick your own instead. Just make sure that your fact is reliably sourced. If you have any issues, of course ping me. I'm otherwise happy to submit the DYK for you (you will still receive full credit for the nomination), but have a go by yourself first (you're a new editor, so don't need to worry about qpq). The new additions on your sandbox look good. Just remember to wikify relevant terms when you add to the article. Keep up the great work! — CR4ZE (T • C) 09:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey @CR4ZE:, just nominated the article with three different hooks. Once I got my head around the source editing it luckily wasn't too difficult. Looking forward to seeing what happens! Do I get any sort of notification if the nomination gets accepted? Also, thanks for checking out the new additions on my sandbox! Not ready to add them in just yet but I'll be sure to wikify and reference properly. Alink10273 (talk) 11:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you should receive a notification, however make sure you add the nom page to your watchlist and check back as there may be follow-up needed from a reviewer. Good job! — CR4ZE (T • C) 12:19, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks CR4ZE. Also had a question about Wikifying. Where are the rules on that? I know generally not to wikify the same thing more than once (maybe twice) in the article but not sure about using terms that redirect to other pages (as seen when I reference The Fordham Ram in my sandbox). Where can I look to find more information about wikifying? Alink10273 (talk) 01:58, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Reading over MOS:LINK (and perhaps WP:R) should clear up any questions about linking. There is nothing wrong with linking to redirect pages—in fact those two shortcut links are redirects themselves. This applies to mainspace articles, talk pages, policy pages etc. Just avoid double redirects and linking to disambiguation pages. See WP:PIPE for a how-to on piped links (it's pretty straightforward). Using either a redirect or a piped link is a matter of editorial preference. Hope this helps! — CR4ZE (T • C) 07:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey CR4ZE, just made a few major edits to Neel Kolhatkar. Would love to know what you think.Alink10273 (talk) 02:38, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. Your changes look great! Couple of passing comments:

1. If you plan to continue work going forward, with the article already looking quite comprehensive, just be careful not to add trivial/unnecessary information. I'm not saying this is an issue at the moment, but just be wary that it could be.
2. Try to avoid one or two line paragraphs; this is definitely an issue with the article at the moment. Many lines of information could be merged together into one paragraph very easily. My rule of thumb is 5-8 lines per paragraph, although 3-5 would be fine.
3. To spruce up the prose, avoid starting off so many sentences with "In 2014", "in 2015", "in 2016" etc. Introducing some variation will really help with flow. Likewise, you should try to use pronouns here and there to avoid constantly referring back to "Kolhatkar". If you enact on my point above about paragraph length, you'll probably find some more interesting ways to recast sentences in this manner.
4. This is a general tip that I suggest incorporating into your editorial practice going forward: archive references! This will avoid link rot and essentially "future-proof"s your work. The most common way to do this is through the Wayback Machine. Here's a Wayback help guide, although it could be better written/more accessible. Archiving, especially when you're doing it all at once on a page that has dozens of unarchived refs (as NK does), can be pretty laborious. I use the Wayback browser extension in Firefox, which definitely helps reduce tedium. Here's a brief how-to: insert "|archiveurl= |archivedate= |url-status=live" into the cite template. Add the url and date of page snapshot (if you've manually archived, that's obviously today's date); when necessary, you would change "url-status" to "dead" if the original link was 404 (bots can do this for you in the future).

Archiving can be labour-intensive work, but it's worth it as it guarantees V, essentially, forever. (Note that there's no policy against dead ref links, although they could potentially hurt an article's quality). This article (which is an FA) I wrote is a good example. Several of the sources I used are now dead, but by archiving everything I've ensured that they can be accessed forever. Great work in any case! If you're planning on sticking around, I'd recommend joining a WikiProject that interests you. — CR4ZE (T • C) 04:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, do let me know if I'm being a burden/there's another Neel Kolhatkar expert I can talk to!. Rest assured I don't plan on including more content, just refining what's already on there. I had a go at parts 2-3 of your feedback and I think the article reads better now. Alink10273 (talk) 08:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Definitely looking better and you're definitely not being a burden. Always happy to give feedback! I might come back later and archive some refs for you. — CR4ZE (T • C) 09:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

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— CR4ZE (T • C) 03:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Indian Link

Hello, Alink10273. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Indian Link, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Draft space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for article space.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion under CSD G13. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it. You may request userfication of the content if it meets requirements.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Indian Link

Hello, Alink10273. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Indian Link".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:43, 23 March 2021 (UTC)