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THE MISSING LINK IN THE TU'I KANOKUPOLU DYNASTY, IN TONGA:

Namoa or later known as King Siosaia Tupou, Tu'i Kanokupolu 1830- 45, in Tonga. Namoa was the youngest brother of Tuku'aho, King Siaosi Tupou 1, grandfather. Namoa was a father figure to Tupouto'a, and grandfather figure to his great nephew, Taufa'ahau who later as King Siaosi Tupou 1 in 1845 -1893. Namoa reared Taufa'ahau since the death of Taufa'ahau's father, Tupouto'a in 1812.

Namoa ( Siosaia Tupou) was the youngest son of King Mumui, Tu'i Kanokupolu, four children. King Mumui did have four sons, the oldest was, Tuku'aho, then Tupoumalohi, then Aleamotu'a and then Namoa. King Mumui oldest three oldest sons were from previous marriage. Mumui last marriage was to Fatafehi 'o Lapaha, last Tu'iTonga fefine of Tu'iTonga Dunasty and their son was, Namoa. As Namoa, was only child of last of Tu'iTonga dynasty, he will be the rightful heir to Tu'tonga dynasty. In addition, Namoa's father King Mumui, was also the head of the, Tu'i Kanokupolu dynasty. Not only that, Namoa's maternal grandmother, was also from Tu'i Hatakalaua dynasty. Therefore overall, Namoa though the youngest member of the Royal family, have bloodlines link to all ruling dynasties, in Tonga.

At this paragraph,are questions to ask:

1) Why, Namoa and the period that he was King of Tonga ( 1830 -45) been erased from history of Tonga in late 1918?

2) Why, re-write the history of Tonga, and made out that Namoa's brother Aleamotu'a was also known as Siosaia Tupou, which he was not.

3) King Aleamotu'a did die with name, Aleamotu'a in 1830, never with the name Siosaia Tupou. Why added Siosaia after he already died in 1830?

Malo a Bula[edit]

I noticed your post on Enele Ma'afu talk page and it is very interesting information if you have reference material please add the relevant information as any knowledge that can improve the quality and accuracy of an article is always welcome on Wikipedia. also please add some personal info on your user page it looks like you'll be around wikipedia for a while adding info on the Tongan related subjects, Keep up the work and have a good day.

Vinaka Maikeli MB 20:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome[edit]

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A request to add context to your articles....[edit]

Good day, and thanks for inputting information about Tonga's history into Wikipedia!

One request.... frequently people come across articles by searching for them. They might not, upon seeing an article, realize what they're looking at - and they need an introduction that mentions (and links) the word "Tonga" in order to achieve that.

For instance, your article on Talaikaipau, before I edited it, did not make it possible to figure out that it was related to Tonga - and the article still doesn't give any hint as to the present-day location of the place (island, city, subdivision of city). I couldn't add that, since it was the first time I've heard about it, and I don't have access to your cited references.

Context helps! Thank you! --Alvestrand (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good day to you too, Alvestrand. Thank you for your help.Anacrossan (talk) 21:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your changes to Aleamotu'a[edit]

Greetings, I'm a bit perplexed as to why you're reverting my changes to Aleamotu'a. You left off an "=" in the ==References= heading (so it doesn't show up right), you removed the tag {{tonga-stub}}, which it certainly is, and you removed {{no footnotes}}, though the article does indeed lack in-line citations. Please do use the "Edit summary" to explain changes that you make, as otherwise it just appears that you're contradicting valid edits for no reason. Am I missing some good justification for those reverts? MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:12, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hang on, how on earth is your User talk page a redirect? MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:12, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's seems to me that the ongoing vandalised of ny article has been done by the same vandal whose user name changed all the time. I have noticed that this vandal did vandalised my article Aleamotu'a under a name : Faletuipapai. This recent vandalised on my same article Aleamotu'a was done by that same person but changed his/ her username from Faletuipapai to Puakatau. I hope that wikipedia will look at this violation of my article done by this VANDAL under username: Faletuipapai/ Puakatau. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anacrossan (talk • contribs) 04:51, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not accuse other editors of "vandalism" without cause. "Vandalism" is filling a page with nonsense like "LALALALALALALALA", or things like "Tom Baker was a British sociologist who was abducted by monkeys and taken to the moon". To the eyes of an outside observer, the edits you object to appear to be credible, and are clearly footnoted. How does this constitute vandalism? If you feel that that user is pushing a biased perspective, or adding inaccurate information, please take it up on the Discussion page of that article. Further, both you and he have repeatedly removed the [[:Category:]] markings from the bottom of the page, effectively severing the article from the rest of Wikipedia. Please refrain from doing this; I'm actually quite confused as to why both sides keep doing this. Please take up your general issues with the article in Discussion, and also refrain from referring to it as "my article", as nobody has an exclusive claim to control of a Wikipedia article. You are a major editor of the article, but it is certainly not your property. Hoping to get some clarification from both editors in the Discussion page. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:05, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I am the primary editor as you pointed out, but to me the article that I have written has been vandalised. It has been totally erased and was replaced by information from outside that totally inaccurate to me. Please dont say to me that its not vandalised, when my article was totally wiped off! Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anacrossan (talk • contribs) 07:50, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My aricle: Aleamotu'a has been erased again and again. Why is this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anacrossan (talk • contribs) 11:35, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again, not "your" article, nor "vandalised". However, if you feel that an article you've been working on has been inaccurately edited, that is indeed an issue of concern. However, rather than engage in an "edit war", you need to go to the Dicussion page and clearly articulate why you feel this version is inaccurate. The other editor has done so, which certainly helps his case. In all honesty, unless you come and communicate with other editors, the default assumption will be that the other version is the correct one because it has been more clearly footnoted and formatted, and that editor has come forward to articulate his case on Discussion.

This article has been subject to extreme changes, and characterised by an almost total unwillingness to communicate by the various editors involved. Please come to Discussion and give clear, referenced, unemotional explanation as to why the substitute content is incorrect. There are a couple other editors, like me, who are not involved in Tongan issues at all and can be viewed as neutral in regional disputes. Further, if you and the other editor cannot reach an agreement it can be taken to an arbitration elsewhere on Wikipedia to get outside perspective. The one thing that cannot happen is to have the article bounce back and forth between two separate versions. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, you cannot simply blank the entire article. If you feel that it is inaccurately edited you must take that up in Discussion and provide clear examples. Not "he's being ignorant and he's wrong", but "footnotes 1-12 actually refer to Figure X instead of Figure Y", or "footnote #13 does not actually verify the cited fact", etc. Again, it's very hard to support your concerns if you do not communicate with other editors. If you continue to blank or revert the article, an admin can block your account, so you're far better off to click the Discussion tab at the top of the article and articulate your concerns. MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You really need to communicate, and learn more about how Wikipedia works[edit]

Greetings, I understand you're upset about disagreements on a number of Tonga articles. Again, I don't really know much about Tongan history, so I can't immediately tell exactly who is in the right on any given issue. What is clear to the casual reader, however, is that you appear to have little interest in communicating with any editor, competing or neutral. Wikipedia has established proceses by which conflicts are mediated, but instead you choose to blank articles (which, ironically, is vandalism) until you get your way.

Further, looking at your history it appears you have not learned even basic Wikipedia editing in several years here (longer than I've been here). Why do you not use == Title == to create proper section headings, not bold the title of articles, not add categories, etc? Again, it's hard to favour your versions of articles over competing ones when they are visually and organisationally a mess, not clearly foonoted in many cases, and when you never come to Discussion to explain why you feel your edits are correct and others' incorrect, prefering instead to call others "vandals". Some of the only times I've ever seen you post on someone's talk page is when you posted insults recently.

Please do yourself a huge favour and a) take a few looks at established Wikipedia articles to see how articles are formatted. Just hit "Edit" and you can see how they create heading and subheadings, put a clear summary at the top of the article with the article name bolded within the text, etc. b) In articles where you have a dispute, post a clear rebuttal of at least some of the points with which you disagree. If you don't do these things, regardless of how right your facts are, you will continue to make little progress. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great rebuttal, and couple wiki pointers on technical details[edit]

Greetings! Very glad to see your case laid out so clearly on Aleamotu'a; hopefully the two competing articles can figure out which direction to take over the course of the week. It is a ton easier to sort this disputes out when people articulate their concerns to each other; avoids a ton of misunderstandings.

Had a couple minor points on a few Wikipedia format things that would be quick fixes for you.

On quite a few occasions you've left an extra space before starting a paragraph. When you do that it creates a huge quote box that you didn't intend to put there. The solution is to hit "Preview" to check your edits before saving, and if you see a big box that means you have an extra space before starting a line.

Here's starting a line all the way on the left.

Here's a sentence with an extra space.

Wikipedia articles should all start with a "lede" that gives the who/what/where/when/why details all in one paragraph, before getting into any other details. A lede should be understandable by any literate adult, even without knowing much about the subject. The first time the title is mentioned in the lede, and it should be one of the first phrases, it's bolded.

For titles and subtitles, you put 2, 3, or 4 "=" signs on each side of the title. That will automatically size, bold, and underline the title appropriately.

.... except that in your recent reply on Talk:Aleamotu'a both spaced over (creating a huge box) and failed to sign your post with ~~~~, though a bot came in and signed it for you. MatthewVanitas (talk) 07:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

==Title==[edit]

===Subtitle===[edit]

====Sub-subtitle======[edit]

When writing on a Talk/Discussion page, make sure to sign your posts, which is done automatically by your typing ~~~~ at the end of your comment.

When I type "MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)" at the end of a comment, it automatically becomes MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC) when I save the page.[reply]

Just a few easy pointers to make your work that much smoother.

Proposed deletion of Namoa[edit]

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Pure genealogy with no indication of who the people were or why they were important. No reliable sources.

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August 2010[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Aleamotu'a, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Just put an explanation please! Endofskull (talk) 23:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anacrossan (talk • contribs) 23:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Endofskull (talk) 16:21, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PROVE YOUR HISTORY[edit]

Anacrossan My Friend[edit]

This showed how you lack the knowledge in Tongan History that you use the literal meaning of the name PUAKATAU, which is correct, however a more mature person in Tonga will know which islands I am from and where the name originated in Tongan History.

It is reference to the Aleamotu'a family and to independent academia and Missionaries who were in Tonga at that time, that Aleamotu'a was known as Tupou 'i Fale Tui Papai and was baptised as Josiah Tupou.

Mr Thomas wrote that the wife of Tupou was baptised in 1829 and her name was Moala and she was baptised as Mary, thus the name Mele (Mary) Moala. This confirmed that the Tupou he was baptising was Tupou 'i Fale Tui Papai also known as Aleamotu'a.

Always remember that Capt Cook arrived in Tonga in 1777. No one can read and write and the Tongan Languages was written to how Captain Cook heard the word.

It was in 1796 and 1822 that missionary arrived and then left Tonga because for their safety. In 1826 the Missionary arrived and settled and where they met Aleamotu'a. That was the beginning of how Tongan learned how to write and record things and the Tongan alphapet were developed.

To conclude this, any birthdates or dates mention before Captain Cook is a wild quest to shape your view. Tongan were still eating each other at this time. So please give up on the 1700s dates as you look ridiculous.

Researched the differences between Fialkepa and Aleamotu'a families as that is where your confusion started and take the chance for self promoting.

The most important point is to support your writing with independent sources from the Missionaries who recorded these history and dont just promote your partial family version of history.e.g

1. Aleamotu'a the Tu'i Kanokupolu's funeral in 1830? No record of such funeral.

2. Namoa is known as Tupou? No such record.

3. Namoa as Tupou is married to Mary Moala? No such record.

4. Namoa met Father Chevron in 1842? Fr Chevron wrote it was Alea Matu'a the Tu'i Kanokupolu he met in 1842 and he was baptised by the Wesleyan as Sosa'ia. Excuse the frenchmaan spelling he just arrived and still wrting the Tongans word as he heard them in the French Language....lol..

5. Mr Thomas wrote in 1826 that Tupou the King visit him in Hihifo. Other missionmaries wrote about Tupou the King in 1827, 1828, 1829 and even 1830. This conclude that your date of 1830 was not supported by facts as the missionaries were writing about Tupou as King since 1826 and this only point out that they were writing about Tupou 'i Faletuipapai (Aleamotu'a) who was King in 1826 to 1845 but was baptised as Josiah Tupou in 1830.

So I guess that you may shine by researching for the truth and stop reciting the same story with no evidence or supported facts. Puakatau (talk) 07:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

=ANSWER=[edit]

YOU ASK THE FOLLOWING QUESTION:

1) Why, Namoa and the period that he was King of Tonga ( 1830 -45) been erased from history of Tonga in late 1918?

FIRSTLY, WE ONLY ERASED SOMETHING IF IT WAS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF YOU REFERENCE TO MR THOMAS WRITING AND OTHER MISSIONARIES WHO WAS IN TONGA AT THE TIME OF 1826, THEY WILL REFER YOU THAT TUPOU WAS KING THEN AND RESIDED IN NUKU'ALOFA. SO WITH ALL THE WRITING OF THE MISSIONARIES, IT WAS ALL SAFE OVERSEAS AND THEIR BOOKS WAS PUBLISHED IN 1800S. THIS CONCLUDE THAT THEY WERE WRITING ABOUT TUPOU 'I FALE TUIPAPAI WHO WAS KNOWN AS ALEAMOTU'A AND KING SINCE 1826 AND DIED IN 1845, CAN YOU REFERENCED YOUR COMMENTCOOOO

2) Why, re-write the history of Tonga, and made out that Namoa's brother Aleamotu'a was also known as Siosaia Tupou, which he was not.

ALEAMOTU'A WAS KNOWN AS TUPOU 'I FALETUIPAPAI AND YOU CAN REFERENCE THAT FROM THE ARTICLE. CAN YOU PROVIDE PROOF FOR YOUR ALLEGED INFORMATION.

3) King Aleamotu'a did die with name, Aleamotu'a in 1830, never with the name Siosaia Tupou. Why added Siosaia after he already died in 1830?

THE MISSIONARIES WROTE IN 1826 WHEN TUPOU WAS SELECTED AS KING. tHIS WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS WAS ALEAMOTU'A WHO WAS KING AT THIS TIME. THE MISSIONARIES ALSO RECORDED THAT HE WAS INSTALLED IN HIHIFO IN DECEMBER 1827. aFTER THAT THEY WROTE THAT TUPOU WAS BAPTISED IN 1830 AND MARRIED HIS WIFE IN THE SAME SERVICES AND HIS WIFE WAS MARY MOALA WHO WAS BAPTISED EARLIER IN 1829. THERE WAS NO RECORD OF DEATH IN 1830 AS YOU ALLEGED BUT ONLY IN 1845.

CAN YOU PROVE YOUR STATEMENT? Puakatau (talk) 08:02, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Aleamotu'a[edit]

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Anacrossan My Friend[edit]

This showed how you lack the knowledge in Tongan History that you use the literal meaning of the name, which is correct, however a more mature person in Tonga will know which islands I am from and where the name originated in Tongan History.