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All entries relevant to what facts to include or better phrasing. Will try to make that more clear. Thanks.01:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Two "delete" comments in the AfD for Sandra Fluke

Hoary (talk) 15:03, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Hoary (talk) 01:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Hoary (talk) 01:33, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

all Hoary links and comments deleted by Wikipedia Administrators, along with page on Sandra Fluke he was edit warring on209.6.69.227 (talk) 16:11, 14 March 2012 (UTC) Attempt to "out" the editor's identity.--209.6.69.227 (talk) 15:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Rush Limbaugh – Sandra Fluke controversy#Sandra Fluke biographical info

You asked: "Raven; let me get this straight; you are saying that it isn't the policy that needs to be changed, but it is the religious beliefs THEMSELVES that are the problem and need to be changed. Is that correct?" • No; I expressed and intended no such imperative. I was speaking in the declarative voice, of "IS"s not "SHOULD"s. In logical-set terms, look at the set of all health insurance plans, run for colleges/universities, and for employers. Group in one subset those which cover contraception, and in another subset those which don't. Is there any doubt that overwhelmingly the second subset will pertain to colleges/universities and businesses which are owned by religious groups whose beliefs forbid contraception, and that this will be the reason for the policy exclusion? That is why I said, "'Beliefs' against the use of 'contraception' started the whole issue." That's the point of divergence. But my next sentence was: "As long as patients needing medication are at the mercy of what other people (not their physicians) choose to believe or not believe, such problems should be expected." Ah, there's a "should" -- the corollary being that people needing medication shouldn't be at the mercy of others' beliefs (besides their physicians'); patients' Freedom of Religion matters too, especially when their life and health depend on it. And no church's "Freedom of Religion" should extend to taking other people's away, as by withholding patients' medications against their will. But churches (and people) can believe whatever they will. – _•Raven  ^.talk 21:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, so people can have whatever religious beliefs they want, they just can't act on them? The essence of a (in this case) Catholic University is being Catholic. It is run by a Religious Order, that specifically caters itself to a population that wishes to foster Catholic ideals and Catholic values. If you don't value those values, you have other choices. There are two complementary parts of the First Amendment (the 230 year old established way of dealing with conflicting interests), the Establishment clause, which says Government will not compel anyone to join a religion, and the Free Exercise clause, that says Religions are free to believe what they will without Government intervention. We are not arguing that the Catholic University should be able to interfere with what people do outside of the campus, but on whether a Catholic University should be forced by the Government to abandon its Catholic principles.--209.6.69.227 (talk) 02:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

• "OK, so people can have whatever religious beliefs they want, they just can't act on them?" -- How is this news to you? People can believe, and have in fact believed, that those of other religions than their own are all in service to the Devil, all scheme to destroy the lives and souls of the True Believers, and accordingly all deserve to die... as soon and as horribly as possible. Yes, they are free to have that belief. And no, they are not free to act on that belief by torturing and murdering their designated witch-hunt targets. That's been the state of US law for some time now. Having any wild range of beliefs is perfectly legal; but having those beliefs does not relieve one from obeying secular law. Nor does it entitle one to impose those beliefs upon others, for instance by denying them vital health care. If you have a heart attack while shopping at a store owned by a Christian Scientist, he can't refuse admission to the ambulance paramedics to treat you and take you to hospital, while he stands over you reciting the entire works of Mary Baker Eddy to heal you spiritually. Aren't you glad of that? – _•Raven  ^.talk 11:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Sarah Posner discusses this same point more eloquently, so I commend her post. – _•Raven  ^.talk 17:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Raven;

Religions do not have any law behind them to "impose" anything, and so do not have to be constrained. Government does, and therefore also does need to be constrained. The only recognized power religions have over people or people over religions is that of Free Association, which is why Constitutional cases usually cite both principles. If you choose to associate yourself with a religion or religious institution (in this case, Georgetown) you agree to abide by their rules; no-one compels you to do so. If you don't share those values, you cannot be forced not to leave and abide by them. I found Posner's arguments to be not very consistent. She cites a case where a group of students ELECTED to go to a State School with values, written into a code of behavior that they did not agree with. Just like Fluke, except Georgetown is private and religious, and therefore protected. They then demanded the School change its policies to accommodate them, and the School refused, also just like Fluke, except their School is funded by taxpayers. The First Amendment arguments were thrown out because the student group was NOT actually of a religion, just the beliefs of a group of Students who called THEMSELVES Christians, which is NOT protected. Again, you don't HAVE to go to Georgetown, but if you DO, you can't expect Georgetown to change to suit YOU. Religious Freedom Restoration Act clarifies, and yes, religious beliefs actually DO exempt people from civil laws, as in war drafts Conscientious Objector to doing drugs Employment Division v. Smith.--209.6.69.227 (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

• "Religions do not have any law behind them to "impose" anything,..."< -- That much was communicated by "Nor does it entitle one to impose those beliefs upon others...". Religions may not be lawfully imposed upon others, we agree. Thus the store owner can't lawfully forbid the paramedics to give you medical assistance. And Jim Jones couldn't lawfully kill off the outsiders who'd come to visit Jonestown (along with all of his own believers), though he did it anyway. It's that "anyway" bit that needs constraining. Fanatics tend to disregard the law and others' rights, infamously with "fire and sword".
  "... you agree to abide by their rules; no-one compels you to do so. If you don't share those values, you cannot be forced not to leave and abide by them." -- Not lawfully, no, but in fact... I gather you've never heard of people being invited on religious retreats and not allowed to leave until they'd converted. The Unification Church ("Moonies") are especially noted for this, but they're not the sole offender. The very things you say don't happen, do happen. Arguing that there's no law making them happen, so they don't need to be guarded against, is like saying there's no law requiring murder and robbery, so we needn't worry about those either. More reading: [1]; Steven Hassan. – _•Raven  ^.talk 03:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Raven; welcome back, always like the back and forth. The problem with cults is the same as with the mentally incapable or minor children of, for instance, Christian Scientists. There is a question of whether the association is "free", meaning voluntary. There is no question that when an adult CHOOSES to go to a Catholic University, for instance, they are making a free choice, and as such voluntarily agree to the religiously-determined principles that institution is run by. The Constitution defends your right to go or not to go to a Catholic University, and defends the right of the Catholic University to be Catholic. --209.6.69.227 (talk) 22:43, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit war between Arzel and MelanieN

• I have replied to your comment at my talk page. --MelanieN (talk) 14:40, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Seems to be a legitimate communication problem better relegated there than on the article page.--209.6.69.227 (talk) 15:02, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

the joke

Thanks for adding the whole joke , it was something I was also thinking to do the clear problems with a part of the joke, due to selective insertion - Youreallycan 17:51, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

COI Report - You should see this.

I'm surprised to not see a notice on your page about this. I guess it slipped Goethean's mind...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Rush_Limbaugh.E2.80.93Sandra_Fluke_controversy - Xcal68 (talk) 04:33, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Xcal; Thanks, but also (ironic) Thaaaankks...... Noticed it a few days ago, figured I would let Goethean ramble on, petard hoisting, for as long as I could avoid it. Also not feeding the stalking troll. Fortunately this is among the DUMBEST of Goethean's many DUMB writings, and easy to settle. Will do so immediately. --209.6.69.227 (talk) 14:02, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

BTW, the spam Goethean is protecting all over Wikipedia is a partisan talking point issued by Think Progress. In the middle of the whole RL-SF flap that saw floods of unreliable numbers competing with each other, TP (good acronym) relased a number, 142, of lost sponsors that was 3-5X higher than anyone else's, or about 100 sponsors higher. Looking at THEIR list, the WaPo's self-identified left-leaning columnist, and Daily Kos, de-bunked the number, by pointing out that TP included 98 sponsors that just don't want to advertise on political or racy programs. Sponsors like Hallmark, which would never and has never advertised on Limbaugh, Beck, or for that matter, Maddow, Olberman, or anything Goethean calls a RS. Goethean has spammed every radio program mentioned (on WikiP pages) and the SF-RL page with this NON-FACT and edit warred to keep it up. As you noticed (by ACTUALLY reading the source cited), the edit description is in fact, just the relevant quote from the source cited.--209.6.69.227 (talk) 14:17, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

BTW, the Kos (which I am sure Goethean will now condemn as a Manchurian Republican, just waiting to disagree with TP) article entitled "Rush Limbaugh has not lost 98 advertisers.", three days after the ridiculous post by TP, is here [[2]]--209.6.69.227 (talk) 17:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

The thing I find most ironic of all (as you alluded to), is the case Goethean is attempting to make against you, could just as easily be made against him.

I wonder if he was just counting on some admin not checking the link regarding the edit subject...or was it just ignorance... - Xcal68 (talk) 18:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey, just read your responses on that page. Watch things like "Goethean also lacks basic reading or comparison skills...etc" Those are considered personal attacks, not to mention, people won't take you as seriously. - Xcal68 (talk) 19:12, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Now here [[3]] --209.6.69.227 (talk) 21:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Although the accusation(s) of COI against you are hollow, I do feel that by creating an account this will help you head-off such attacks. Widefox (talk) 09:56, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Request to revert

From WP:RTP, our guide to refactoring talk pages:

"Refactoring should only be done when there is an assumption of good faith by editors who have contributed to the talk page. If there are recent heated discussions on the talk page, good faith may be lacking. If another editor objects to refactoring then the changes should be reverted."  emphasis added

You've changed two section headings that I created at Talk:American Legislative Exchange Council and immediately posted to, and reinstated your preferred wording after I reverted your initial change. I object to the changes, and I'd like you to revert them.

The assumption everyone makes in viewing a talk page is that the editor whose comment first appears beneath the heading is the one who chose its text, so effectively, changing a heading I created gives a false impression of what I posted. For example, your change of the heading I created entitled simply "Protests", to your preferred "Protests - Questionable notability?" merely because you deem them "non-notable", as you put it, gives everyone who reads the section the false impression that I am of your opinion, since my post is the first after the section heading.

Changing a section heading you created, after other editors have already replied beneath it, produces a similar effect, although admittedly not as emphatic. But it, too, is a form of talk page refactoring. Please revert all the changes you've made to headings on that talk page.  – OhioStandard (talk) 13:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Just FYI; I am coming to Wikipedia as an editor first, and am a stickler for making clear what and who and why in good expository style. The title you gave initially would not have told a new reader what you were talking about. Re-read it, and agree it may have been more strongly worded than intended. Have reworded, but do not think that I am going to edit war over this. Please feel free to revert to "Protests" if you wish.--209.6.69.227 (talk) 23:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

There's nothing remotely unclear or ambiguous about "If another editor objects to refactoring then the changes should be reverted". Are you going to revert to the original subject headings, including the one for the "800 documents" section, and refrain from editing others' talk page contributions in the future, or not?  – OhioStandard (talk) 08:56, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

It's "not", evidently, since you've made edits after I posted this second request. I've again restored the titles I originally gave to the two talk page sections I began. You've been warned previously by other editors not to change their posts: If I see you do so again, you'll end up at the appropriate noticeboard. Similarly re your battleground behaviour, e.g. your multiple remarks about what you're pleased to call my "rambling" and "nonsensical" entries and your section heading of "Ummm.... You do know what EDITING is", to mention just a few of examples.  – OhioStandard (talk) 15:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Be careful, 209: the fastest way to get blocked/topic banned is to violate the arcane "behavior" rules. If you get blocked the guy who reported you will completely change the article while you're away. If you get topic banned you'll have to edit zoology articles for 6 months. Keep your nose clean and your finger on "undo." Hahahahaha!!!!!– Lionel ^(talk) 02:52, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

War on Women

Please don't list old AfD discussions as you did with War on Women at todays log‎. If you wish to AfD an article then I suggest you read WP:AFD & once you created the deletion then & only then add it to today's log. Regards ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

If you need further help then reply below. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:28, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

May have not done this correctly, would appreciate help. Article was AfD, Deleted, then someone reposted, mostly same problems except WP:QUOTEFARM substituted for WP:OR, tagged for Speedy Deletion, declined but with proviso that the decline was just that it was different, no decision on if the problems remain. Several attempts to address problems with edits and on Talk page, no success. Do not know if this is second request or new request. --209.6.69.227 (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I think this is fixed by an admin at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/War on Women (2nd nomination)--209.6.69.227 (talk) 19:43, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry didn't get the chance to explain broadband went funny, no another User just nominated it himself so you should go ahead & vote, in future just follow the steps 1-3. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, appreciated, and sorry for the time used.--209.6.69.227 (talk) 20:31, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Curry Todd

Do not call text you disagree with "spam." There's a talk page for resolving disputes.--Jprg1966 ^(talk) 17:09, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Jprg; You recently tagged me in Curry_Todd as a result of my use of the word "spam". Let me assure you that the description is appropriate and used advisedly. The word as I used it refers not simply to the individual entry, since an individual entry cannot be spam, but to the habit of the editor of circumventing the appropriate Talk page (the relevant one is American Legislative Exchange Council, where I have discussed this topic at length). ALEC is a 501(c)3 organization, and it is utterly POV to label it a lobbying group, and a pejorative to label it right-wing, since it is actually Centrist/Libertarian. The editor does NOT refer to Talk pages, but INSTEAD repetitively inserts the phrase "right-wing lobbying" into dozens of pages, wherever ALEC is mentioned. I assume my edit came up on some Bot, since I do not see any evidence that you are an involved editor (another problem with the ALEC page; Wiki-lawyering and canvassing, both on and off-Wiki)--209.6.69.227 (talk) 17:55, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, so I see. Carry on.--Jprg1966 ^(talk) 20:15, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick and courteous revert. Admit the edit LOOKS harsh if you just see it alone. A second click, and it is obvious; takes a third to realize its urgent NPOV. --209.6.69.227 (talk) 03:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Please consider creating a username.

I think it would be polite and well received. Just a suggestion. Capitalismojo (talk) 17:53, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Personally I like 209.6.69.227. It has character, lol. The only real advantage to having a username is you can edit semi-prot articles. So keep in mind when someone wants to kick you off of an article they'll goto PP and get semi-prot. – Lionel ^(talk) 02:46, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

While your address certainly does have character to it, I also heartily recommend you register! You've proven quite eloquent (and also quite controversial...) in some of your arguments, and I think you'd make a good editor. Plus, since you're editing from a shared ip, it'd prevent any confusion about attribution (and you'd get to edit semi-protected articles, too.) Cheers, Zaldax (talk) 15:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

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Proving a Fake Newspaper is not a WP:RS means proving it is a guy in his attic with a blog

The below posts are all related to edit warring sillyness at the ALEC article. Basically, there is a self-styled activist that has a blog, which he posts to a website he owns, the Rochester Citizen (evidently wanted to start a newspaper 2 years ago, but did not succeed, now left with domain), mostly following around self-styled activists. Some editors insist on edit warring to cite the Rochester Citizen as a WP:RS. Proving beyond any doubt that it is NOT a newspaper, and therefore NOT a WP:RS means proving that it is a guy in his attic with an attack blog, which was done. Editors, including the edit warring ones, now come back and say that, since it is proven that it is a guy in an attic with a blog, information about the Rochester Citizen is in fact outing a guy in his attic with an attack blog, and therefore revealing personal details. Not kidding. Wow.--209.6.69.227 (talk) 04:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Talk:American Legislative Exchange Council, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. User:KoshVorlon.User talk:KoshVorlon 00:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

There was no vandalism. Perhaps a mild case of disparaging a living person--but nothing even remotely egregious enough to rate this warning. That said, 209, be careful when writing about living persons--even on a talk page.– Lionel ^(talk) 02:00, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, let me get this straight.... I am disparaging a PERSON (who was un-named) because I said an ALLEGED NEWSPAPER was an unreliable source, and is in fact a blog. It is only if the newspaper IS, as I said, actually a person and his blog, and NOT a newspaper, as you allege, that discussion of a source could possibly be a PERSONAL attack. How exactly do you call a source unreliable (a WP essential), without calling it unreliable (which you call an insult, and therefore vandalism). --209.6.69.227 (talk) 03:42, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

ANI about you adding personal information

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• Do not add personal information. Please. Drmies (talk) 03:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Binksternet is asking to Censor information that proves Binksternet provides FALSE information. The information Binksternet removed was with regard to a FAKE newspaper that B asserted was "(Credibility check okay on The Rochester Citizen news. Replace ALEC blog response with WaPo brief summary. Adding Cronon refs and text.) " I have no objection to personal information being removed, once it is agreed that it IS personal information, and that the source is utterly UNreliable. HOWEVER, information that the Rochester Citizen is in fact NOT a newspaper, but someone's personal attack blog run out of their attic, and thus cannot be used as a WP:RS involved proof, which is ample, that it is NOT a newspaper. I was not "outing" a WP editor, and logically I was only "outing" a person if everything that proves it is NOT a newspaper is accepted as fact. You cannot "out" a WP:RS newspaper. Everything that is being removed was information about an alleged newspaper. --209.6.69.227 (talk) 04:17, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Let's all just calm down. The Citizen is not RS. Let's just delete everything sourced to it and be done with it. – Lionel ^(talk) 05:33, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012

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Only warning

Stop screwing around with formatting of discussions, whether talkpage or elsewhere. It is not helpful and creates a lot of unnecessary difficulty in following them. If you do it again I'll block you for a week. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:29, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:TEA

Please keep your comments WP:CIVIL, in spite of the extreme provocation you are receiving, and avoid violating other Wikipedia policies (such as WP:BLP). Although I generally agree that your edits add valuable information, but they also often remove information which is accurate, and reliably sourced. For example, in regard your most recent edit, Cronon is an historian and a state employee; his supporters note that as an historian, the FOIA requests violate his academic freedom. His detractors note that he is a state employee, and hence prohibited from lobbying. Although clearly unrelated to ALEC, wherever discussion of that incident occurs, both factors should be discussed.

Also, following WP:INDENT, although not a policy, does help your credibility. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

The consensus at ANI seems to be in favor of blocking you. I'm not in favor, yet, as you haven't edited (other than your own talk page) since my comment, so we cannot tell if you're willing to follow my advice. This may be your last chance. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:06, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

WP Editor Casprings

I placed a Request for comments on the Sandra Fluke page. I would ask that the bio be left until we have concenus. Casprings (talk) 16:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

First, RfCs MUST be neutrally worded, yours is not, and you ignore the issues already discussed on Talk. Second, consensus was already achieved on Talk. Putting up a RfC to delay the proper, by consensus and argument, removal of content, is also inappropriate. --209.6.69.227 (talk) 18:12, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

New Talk Section on your edits

I started a new talk section on your edits here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casprings (talk • contribs) 20:56, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Since this is a problem with YOU, not the article, I am leaving this here. With regard to Talk page headings;

Never use headings to attack other users: While no personal attacks and assuming good faith apply everywhere at Wikipedia, using headings to attack other users by naming them in the heading is especially egregious, as it places their names prominently in the Table of Contents, and can thus enter that heading in the edit summary of the page's edit history.

--209.6.69.227 (talk) 18:35, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I updated the heading. I think the talk page is heading towards a consensus.Casprings (talk) 19:01, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion

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None of these actions are a substitute for making arguments on Talk, which for some reason, you are either unwilling or unable to do. I was hoping that you would actually explain what issues you had in detail on THAT DRN page, and get input, but no such thing happened. Without that, it is pointless for me or the other editor currently telling you to make an argument on Talk to restate edit summaries or arguments; OUR arguments and edits are already explained on the appropriate page, several times. --209.6.69.227 (talk) 03:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

There are a bunch of volunteers at DRN that would like to help resolve this issue - do you think you could pop over there and participate? Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 06:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Arbitration

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• Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for Arbitration;
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Thanks,

This Bizarre request now archived at [[4]]--Anonymous209.6 (talk) 14:17, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Sandra Fluke Delection

Deletion review for Sandra Fluke

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Please do not change other people's comments for any reason, per WP:TPO. You can ask them to change if you feel it must be done. Insomesia (talk) 12:40, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

There was no change in comments. The classification of comments in a DR is different from that in an AfD. There was no change in the intent, just a clean-up of the language that entitles the comments, for the benefit of a closing admin. Uphold deletion should read in a DR Endorse or Endorse deletion. There really is no ambiguity nor controversy. Did not touch the variety of (I assume Overturn or Relist) other !Votes, since it is mostly unclear what those editors are saying, except where the editor is both clear and used correct DR terminology. --Anonymous209.6 (talk) 12:51, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I accept you had only great intentions, I had learned about this after causing a problem myself. Happy editing! Insomesia (talk) 13:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Bizarre ANI

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Nomination of Binders full of women for deletion

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Tagging Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012

There is clear consensus on the issue you brought up. The links to the discussion can be found on the FA nomination page. If you tag the page again, without changing the consensus, I will report it at WP:AN.Casprings (talk) 23:12, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Tagging Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012

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Please get consensus before removing sourced material

Please get consensus before removing sourced material

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I hope you will take part so that we can resolve any remaining issues in the article.Casprings (talk) 02:24, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

CLOSED with predjudice before anyone had a chance to look it, since this was another inappropriate filing (admin's words). Good.--Anonymous209.6 (talk) 12:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

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Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

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Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012

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I filed a WP:DRN on Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012

I filled a WP:DRN on Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012. I would ask that we put the past behind and come to some comprise language where there remains disputes. The link to the discussion is here. Casprings (talk) 03:04, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Wrong link to the discussion. It is here. Casprings (talk) 03:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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Talkback

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Revised definition of censorship. GregJackP Boomer! 00:25, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, posted comment. Hopefully clear definition will weed out some of the more spurious lines of writing. --Anonymous209.6 (talk) 03:59, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy tags

Anon, any editor can remove a speedy tag except the guy who wrote the article. In fact, i usually recommend it to people who want to become admins as a good way of practicing to learn the speedy criteria. DGG ( talk ) 01:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

It's a clear speedy, or was. Of course, that means in a situation like an attack page (as this was written to be), likely it will never be seen by an admin; only admins can delete, any attack editor can veto. The edit summary of the other editor implied they though it was a WP:PROD, a totally different animal. --Anonymous209.6 (talk) 03:43, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Your recent thread at ANI

Hi, I saw your recent thread at ANI. Unfortunately what you posted will have the exact opposite effect of what you were hoping to have happen. I urge you to self-revert your post at ANI and instead follow the instructions here. Cheers... Zad68 21:18, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Was actually in a bit of a hurry (just checking in briefly enroute to a meeting), and saw the flagrant and outrageous post. Fortunately, an Admin quickly redacted all the offensive material and made sure it doesn't come back, but yes, I think the formal process would have been better.--Anonymous209.6 (talk) 03:26, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012

Please be so kind and fix the reference errors. This page always appaers in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting. Thanks. --Frze (talk) 14:35, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi; noticed you gnomishly fixing the cite errors; thanks. Warned Casprings that the multiple insertions of the same ref were causing problems, but was fixing both editing and ref format at same time. Went back and THINK I have fixed them all. Thanks for the nudge.--Anonymous209.6 (talk) 15:14, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Florida 13th Special

Hey Anonymous, I just wanted to say that I'm pretty frustrated with the discussion on that talk page, and disgusted by Collect's appalling behavior. I still think I'm substantively right, but with Capitalismojo's reply, I don't think it's worth my time (or sanity) belaboring it. All that said, I wanted to thank you for you civility and reasoned replies. I appreciated it. 2406:E000:90F2:1:C5C5:C413:70A3:C376 (talk) 18:56, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Since you don't have a single Talk page (PS - registering as a user, which is anonymous, gives multiple benefits, including being able to keep your edits together, and making discourse with other editors easier), I'll answer here. I've been meaning to weigh in on this and other pages, and will do so. I do think the dispute is resolvable, and yes, I agree that having JUST the popular opinion writers' "take" is not good, but I also don't think you have put statistical analysis into the article in a completely NPOV way. I'll take a stab at it. Just FYI, Collect is actually a good editor, but is too used to dealing with editor/activists.--Anonymous209.6 (talk) 12:13, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Update: Thanks for your suggestion on the talk page. I've been tempted to reply to Collect to say that: it's not OR on the 'possible' removal (15/15 cites of his say "bellwether," 2/15 say "possible bellwether" hence the former is more accurate simply as per the sources). Also, he hasn't explicitly objected to the rest of your edit suggestion - I don't know if that means he's alright with, or conditionally alright if we cede on the possible thing, which I'd be willing to do if only to reach a relatively consensus edit. That said, I thought I should wait for you to get a chance to reply, because I'm not sure he's receptive to anything coming from me.

As for a profile, maybe you'll appreciate that I'm reluctant until I get this mess with Collect out of the way first, but will your advice in the future. =) 2406:E000:90F2:1:C5C5:C413:70A3:C376 (talk) 13:55, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. I thought I'd reach out to you for suggestions: I'm nearly at the limit of my patience with Collect - I've just left a message on the talk page that is as direct as I can be, but if he either says no or ignores the suggest compromise (as he did with his most recent reply) the only thing I can think to do is ask for help from dispute resolution. I thought I'd see what you think first. Thank you. 2406:E000:90F2:1:C5C5:C413:70A3:C376 (talk) 5:55, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Bruce Braley video

Hi, Anonymous209.6. Sorry for the long delay in responding re: your message about the Bruce Braley article. I was out of town for several weeks and then got busy last week with work, etc… Again, my apologies for not responding sooner. Thank you for reaching out to me. I appreciate the offer to help with editing. I will be sure to pass along items that I think are relevant to Braley’s article in the future. I come across a lot of different stuff, so if you are willing I will pass along items on other pages as well. With regards to the origin of the Braley video, there has not been a lot of reporting about it specifically. Here is the most thorough story done on the topic to my knowledge:

• The Des Moines Register, March 31, “Braley is latest example of gaffe tracking”

Thanks again for reaching out to me. If you have any more questions, feel free to contact me on my Talk page. I’ll be sure to respond faster this time. Best, Sprinkler Court (talk) 15:43, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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