User talk:Anwegmann
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Nationality of Zainichi Korean footballers
[edit]Hello Anwegmann,
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, especially your work on formatting and fixing articles to the correct guidelines. I noticed your recent edits to on some Zainichi Koreans footballers page such as Park Il-gyu, Han Ho-gang or Kim Jung-ya where you were referred to as "Japanese" based on their birthplace. While Zainichi Koreans may born and reside in Japan, most do not hold Japanese nationality and are not qualified for it unless one of their parents is Japanese 1; 2. For this reason, I think you should revert your edits back to their Korean nationality.
Best regards, Lâm (talk) 17:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Not changing the timestamp
[edit]Hi, I noticed that you recently reverted a user for meddling with the stats without amending the timestamp. I'm having issues with one user, see User talk:Iphone5Sgold for more details, who does this every weekend en masse. As you can see, they have been warned for several months/years now with zero improvement. At this stage, do you reckon we are allowed to just mass revert? Not sure how else to get through. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Spiderone: Thanks for making me aware of this. I have added an additional warning, and I have pinged GiantSnowman, who is an administrator whose practices concerning this issue I have largely followed. These types of things are extremely annoying, especially when done in mass quantities like this specific user has continually done. Anwegmann (talk) 17:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks for this. They are at WP:ANI now so hopefully this will encourage the user to make the right choice. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
About the comments you left in the Talk page
[edit]Hi Anwegmann, I have question about some things that whou wrote in my talk page. As you wrote that there's guidelines about ambiguous nationalities of footballers, can you tell me the link about the ambiguous nationality guidelines? I've searched WP:FOOTY you told me, but couldn't find the exact one that matches your opinion. It's a genuine question about things that I don't actually know, not challenging your opinion about writing nationality. Thank you. --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 15:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Sorry for bother u
[edit]Hey man I hope u doing well. I wanted to publish my profile more information. I can help you out to add some more information for “rim soheng”
“CAREER”
YOUTH CAREER
rim soheng was a member of the national football academy for Cambodia, he attended the U16 afc qualifying in LAO 2019. In 2021, he signed with Angkor tiger which’s in division 1 making him the youngest player rostered. Soheng started 6 matches while we was played at Angkor tiger.
“ANGKOR TIGER” on 1 February 2021, Soheng signed with Angkor tiger of Cambodian premier league as a part of the club. https://www.facebook.com/share/14TSgro1gc/?mibextid=WC7FNe
“Life fc” Soheng singed with life Fc of the Cambodian premier league in 15 July 2023. https://www.facebook.com/share/1AzbpVnwCK/?mibextid=WC7FNe
REFERENCES
Signed with Angkor tiger https://www.facebook.com/share/14TSgro1gc/?mibextid=WC7FNe
signed with life fc https://www.facebook.com/share/1AzbpVnwCK/?mibextid=WC7FNe
Cambodian premier league reference https://cpl-cambodia.com/player/rim-soheng
rim Soheng interview signing day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVPebF6c5Y
i hope I can help u out with some of that. One of my editor his account is blocked so I had no idea. I hope this is don’t annoying you. I really appreciate of you hard work this is the draft: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rim_Soheng
sincerely, rim soheng Rim soheng (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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Please note that this got moved to mainspace despite your comment about the lack of SIGCOV. I haven't done a before search yet but it might be one to look out for, from a notability perspective. A few of this user's articles are getting accepted now (I've declined all of the ones that I've seen as none of them have even one example of SIGCOV). I believe that their restrictions might get lifted soon but I don't think that they are ready. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Spiderone: I agree that this user is definitely not ready for restrictions to be lifted. Indeed, given their history of sockpuppeting and their seeming inability to understand the standards of WP:SIGCOV as well as the basics of WP:COMPETENCE in written English, I don't think their ban should have been lifted. But here we are...I appreciate your work continuing to explain to this user the principles of SIGCOV and actually giving their article drafts due diligence. I am happy to help in any way I can. Anwegmann (talk) 00:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Please note that they have added a lot of new sources to all of the articles that we have sent to AfD. I haven't checked every single one yet but all of what I have seen has been quantity rather than quality, i.e. WP:REFBOMB. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Spiderone: I've noticed the same thing. I've checked a lot of them that weren't already obviously REFBOMBs, and everything that I've seen has been exactly that. This user does not seem to understand the difference between SIGCOV and REFBOMBing. Frustrating. Anwegmann (talk) 19:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Please note that they have added a lot of new sources to all of the articles that we have sent to AfD. I haven't checked every single one yet but all of what I have seen has been quantity rather than quality, i.e. WP:REFBOMB. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
In reply to your comment on Draft:Oleksandr Rudenko, my plan is to reject the next submission rather than merely decline, which will prevent further resubmission (unless SIGCOV is actually added, of course). If the user then decides to move over to mainspace to circumvent AfC, we can then send it to a 3rd AfD and report the account for breach of their agreed unblock terms. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you
[edit]Hey Angwemeen,
Just wanted to stop by and say thanks for everything you do on here. I, and others, appreciate everything you do on the football side of Wikipedia! Hopefully Fulham gets some draws into wins.
Keep it up, Shmego (talk) 21:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
What do you mean by continuously reverting my edits and the others, which are clearly true (based on a reliable secondary source, GOAL.com)? This is rather shocking behavior from a senior editor.
O.K. John is no longer Nigerian, he is Indonesian citizen. He hasn't held a Nigerian passport since 2018. Do your research, use Google Translate to read the cited GOAL article.
If my edits and other editors are incorrect according to the MOS, please correct the style rather than altering the core information. Dodo Shamal (talk) 03:03, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- I've read the article, and it says absolutely nothing about him no longer being Nigerian. And Indonesia disallowing dual-nationality does not prevent him from retaining his Nigerian citizenship—indeed, many nations consider citizenship perpetual, regardless of action. I prime example of this is George Weah, who maintains French citizenship as well as Liberian citizenship even as Liberia does not allow dual-nationality. More importantly, though, according to longstanding WP:FOOTY, supported by WP:MOSETHNICITY, nationality in the lede follows the player's first (and/or primary) nationality until they play for the national team of another nation, at which point the lede becomes ambiguous. Anwegmann (talk) 03:11, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- It's implicit things: if you become an Indonesian citizen, you can't hold another passport unless you are under 21 years old. It has nothing to do with George Weah, it's clearly a different case. I just read your edit on Ole Romeny's article. Romeny hasn't played for the national team, but he has converted his citizenship from Dutch to Indonesian. There are many Indonesian naturalized players who haven't played for the national team, including John.
- Because of MOS, how about writing the lede like Romeny's article, without mentioning the first citizenship, but adding in the next sentence (or section) that he has acquired Indonesian citizenship? It's the core information. Dodo Shamal (talk) 03:29, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- When he plays for the national team, the lede will become ambiguous. Until then, WP:FOOTY and WP:MOSETHNICITY maintain, again through longstanding consensus, that the nationality follows the primary/born nationality. A lot of Indonesian editors make these changes against consensus, and I understand the broad frustration. But Indonesia's ban on dual-nationality is not a practical prohibition. Romeny is still registered, and will continue to be registered, as a Dutch player in the English league system. Otherwise, he would have been denied a work permit due to Indonesia's FIFA ranking being too low. There is much more nuance to a player's nationality, both on paper and functionally, than you are recognizing and arguing for. Indonesia is not the only country at work here or in OK John's case. The George Weah example is actually very clear and very closely related to this. Single nationality states cannot control a citizen's other nationalities. Anwegmann (talk) 03:47, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Also, I added a "Personal life" section explaining John's acquisition of Indonesian citizenship. So the core information stands. Anwegmann (talk) 03:48, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- OK, thank you very much for your help and explanation. It seems that idwiki and enwiki have different approaches to the MOS for footballers' articles. There's a gap between idwiki and enwiki MOS. Sorry I didn't mean to be rude, but as you mentioned, it can be frustrating to get reverted without an explanation
Cheers, Dodo Shamal (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- No problem. I appreciate your understanding. Happy editing. Anwegmann (talk) 04:22, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- OK, thank you very much for your help and explanation. It seems that idwiki and enwiki have different approaches to the MOS for footballers' articles. There's a gap between idwiki and enwiki MOS. Sorry I didn't mean to be rude, but as you mentioned, it can be frustrating to get reverted without an explanation
