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I think the gerunds can be explained thusly:

  • "duximus destinandos" - destinandos is actually a gerundive ("men whom we have led to you who ought to be considered conspicuous etc")
  • "adhibendo" - this goes with the jussive verbs ("whom you should receive etc, by applying faith to them concerning the things that they will tell you on our behalf" - i.e., believe what they say because they represent the Pope)
  • "providendo" - goes with the next jussive verb, intimetis ("you should tell us through them etc, by providing them..."
  • "eundo et redeundo" - this is a funny construction, but provideo takes the dative ("ipsis"; we can say "providing them" in English but in Latin it is "providing for them"), and then the thing being provided is an indirect object in the ablative with "de" (literally "providing for them in regards to secure conduct"). This itself takes another indirect object in the ablative with "in" ("in going and returning" literally, but "in" really means "for", so "for coming and going"). All together then, "by providing them with safe conduct for coming and going", i.e. make sure they arrive safely and return home to the Pope with an answer safely.

As for the last bit ("Memoratos autem fratres, quos etc. ut in proxima usque: alios misissemus"), Google Books gives "Memoratos autem fratres quos tamquam diu sub observantia regulari probatos et plene scripturis sacris instructos inter alios praeelegimus, quia utiliores vobis fore credidimus tamquam Salvatoris nostri humilitatem sectantes, ad vos duximus transmittendos; et si putassemus quod fructuosiores et gratiores vobis existerent, vel aliquos ecclesiarum praelatos ad vos, aut potentes alios misissemus." for the same letter Recueil de voyages et de mémoires).

Since same ending appears in Dei patris inmensa, it is simply an editorial comment meaning "Memoratos autem fratres, etc, as in the last letter, up to 'alios misissemus'". Adam Bishop (talk) 09:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]