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[edit]Hello, Arvand, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
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I can help you unconditionally built your userpage if you want. Miskin 20:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey thanks buddy. I'd thought you'd hate me by now. I'd just like to use this oppertunity to say that I am quite sorry if anything I said may have been insulting. I fully appologize, I've got nothing personal against you. Sometimes I just get a little too heated in some debates and I usually regret it later. Anyway thanks again and I have left the Thermopylae article to the admin there, I guess I was a little too rude and now I'm not wanted there. Anyway, when I saw Scotties page, I noticed he had a whole buch of these cool diagrams. Like the one that shows he is from Australia. Do you know how to get some of those pictures or are those only belong to the admins? Thanks in advanced buddy.
PS: whatever happened to that beast you had on the page eating a little human. --Arsenous Commodore 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- Don't worry, no offence taken. Getting overheated over content-disputes can happen to anybody. In reality I'm a nice person, and apparently so are you. Anyway those diagrams are called userboxes and they can be used by anybody. After all admins are nothing but wikipedia editors as well (eventhough some tend to forget that). There are hundreds of pre-made userboxes ready for you to use, just scroll down to the bottom of the WP:UBX page and choose from a category. Scottie's userboxes lie somewhere there. Next to each premade box there's a template code which you have to type into a page in order to make the userbox to appear. You can make various tweaks, such as placing it on the left or right side of your screen. You can also make your very own userbox, WP:UBX describes all that in detail. PS: The picture of the beast is still there, explore my userpage by clicking on the links listed next to the old woman. Miskin 00:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Perfect! Thanks a lot for your help Miskin, my page is actually looking quite nice now. Thanks for teaching me the tricks, I now have a better understanding of how to use these newfangled things like userboxes. I appreciate the help. And yep I certainly found that beast we were talking about. By the way how long have you been on Wikipedia as a member? A couple of years, or more recent?--Arsenous Commodore 16:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I think almost two years as a registered user. Miskin 12:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Greco-Persian Wars
[edit]I created the articles in the warbox after seeing the (then) massively empty warbox at Second Punic War. I do have every intention of creating articles where the red links are, but I am not capable of doing so right now because I have started studying in a foreign country, away from ny text resources, and am quite busy. I am not sure if Greco-Lydian conflicts are worth more than a passing in a article in the Greco-Persian Wars, hence I have not included them here. There are also other battles not included in the box like between Macedon and Artabazus in Hennea Odoi, and perhaps the sieges of Halikidi should be merged. I you wish to create the articles go ahead, my usual tactic is to expand existing articles with references etc and I intended to this first with articles like the battles of Alexander the Great or the Messenian Wars before creating new articles. Currently though I will be able to do few things. Our conflicting wievpoints on numbers help give the articles greater authority Ikokki 11:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Siege of Naxos (499 BC)
[edit]I'm planning of taking this article to GA. Do you have any suggestions? Kyriakos 02:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I like the plan, although how about we make it even more ambitious good friend. Let's take both Naxos' and the Eretria you have started all to that status. I will be back editing/revising and adding tomorrow morning local time (EST). I have a few suggestions at this point but I think more will certainly come as we slowly build the article and the others. Most of which have to do with article categorization. I'll certainly be more articulate tomorrow once I have more time Kyriakos. But we'll start with the 499 BC Naxos as you suggested because you have already done most of the work on it. Thanks for the message, by the way, if you ever want to leave message on my discussion board please regarding the Greco-Persian wars or other articles, please do not hesitate, it's probably the fastest way I will get them LOL. You are evidently a very pleasant person, I very much enjoy building these articles with you.--Arsenous Commodore 03:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok. I'm going to try to go to the library the state library and find some books on the Persian Wars which had som einfomation particularly on the Ionian Revolt and Naxos. Herodotus is the only main source that I have at the moment but I'll check for some primary sources on the Perseus website. I'll also look at my home collection of books as I have so books on the Persian Wars particularlly Marathon which is good as it will have the lead up to the events which means the Ionian Revolt and the Siege of Naxos in 499 BC as well as 490 BC as it is part of the same campaign. OK, I'm looking forward to working on you in the future on making both the siege of Naxos GAs as well the Siege of Eretria which I am happy that you have started to copy-edit. Anyway, bye for now. And PS you said EST are you from Australia. Kyriakos 04:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
No I am not in Australia, infact I live quite far from there LOL. I am in the Eastern Standard Timezone -5 hours from GMT. Usually considered or referenced to as Eastern United States. However I reside in Central-East Canada, in Toronto.--Arsenous Commodore 15:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Copy Edit
[edit]Hey thanks for looking at the Siege of Eretria. I finished the article now and could you please go over it and copy edit it. I think that this article has the best chance of becomeing an GA. ALso I want to ask you if you could please have a look at the other major topic I'm working on, the Roman-Spartan War. If you have time could you copy edit it. Thanks. And I also wanted to ask if we should add the Siege of Paros to the Persian Wars, campaign box as the Athenians besiege the island in revenge for the Parian supporting the Persians. PLease give me your opinion. Thanks. And one last thing, I'd like to invite you to join WiiProject Military history. If you would like to join please add your name to the member list. I hope you join your knowledge would be a great help Kyriakos 07:53, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
No problem at all Kyriakos. I have looked at it a couple of times, but I will certainly attend to it a few more times soon. Sometimes one just misses things (I consistently do this) and I will be glad to look over it again. I must say though the article is really coming along quite nicely. I believe you are correct, Eretria 490 probably has the best chance of ever becoming GA status amidst the 3 Persian Wars articles we did. Unfortunately a good article needs thorough detail, which is okay but difficult to find with less known topics like the two Naxos sieges. Fortunately Eretria has enough info out there to exploit and write a strong Wiki article. Over the next few days and weeks I will look for some more relevant info in case we can further expand it. Hopefully some others may come by eventually and add their expertise too.
Regarding the siege of Paros, and this is just my personal opinion, I think should be left out because it was more a domestic Greek conflict, it was just a Greek city-state attacking another, which was generally common throughout Greek antiquity. Though I do acknowledge the reason given was for supporting the Persians, I humbly believe that the Greco-Persian wars should probably be kept for the direct fighting between these two civilizations. But once again, this is just my opinion and it's really up to you. You have been on Wiki for longer than I have and definitely know the site's conventions more thoroughly than I do.
And thank you for inviting me to that Wiki Military history group, I have joined with great enthusiasm. I look forward to working on the wars of civilizations like Persia, Greece and Rome, the ones I consider the big 3.
Ah yes, and I forgot to say this earlier but I am more than happy to look over the Roman Spartan War for you, I will be looking over it on the upcoming days with and eagle eye LOL. You can be sure my friend that I will make any necessary edits I find.--Arsenous Commodore 03:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks alot and also werlcome to WP:MILHIST. Kyriakos 04:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
My wiki name is my name. :) Kyriakos 21:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Oops no I didn't mean you Kyriakos, I meant I did not know the anonymous since he signed with his IP and not with his name. That's why I apologized to him and called him an "anon" LOL sorry for the mix up. I certainly know your name, my good friend. LOL. But boy did that guy have some of his sources wrong. Haha!--Arsenous Commodore 22:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I think thats why he stayed anon. Anyway what do you think about the Roman-SPartan War. Kyriakos 22:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I'll be honest, in one word. I thought the Roman-Spartan was "brilliant". I took a good look at it today fixing any punctuation, grammar errors I found. I also strengthened the wording where I thought it need be. But I am going to continue with the second part in the days to come, now it's just a matter of making the article even more eloquent. It seems to have much detail and perfect amount of content. It definitely doesn't need much to be an FA from here, in my opinion. You have definitely and obviously worked very hard on it Kyriakos. By the way, who ended up giving the B status to the Siege of Eretria article? Did they mention at all which areas need improvement? I'd really like to know any way of improving that article, so it can soon be GA.--Arsenous Commodore 23:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Arvand, sorry I'm slow to respond. The Siege of Eretria is up for peer review here. Thanks! Kyriakos 21:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
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Re:Eretria
[edit]Click [[1]] and it wil show you how many edit you have made. And by the way could you please have a look at the Roman-Spartan War's FAC and give your opinion. Kyriakos 05:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to invite you to join WP:GREECE which also deals with the history of Greece like the Persian Wars for example. Hope you join. Kyriakos 03:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
So would you support the article's FAC? Kyriakos 05:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
You can voice your opinion here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Roman-Spartan War, firend. Kyriakos 06:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
So should I put Support next to what you said or just comment? Thanks. Kyriakos 06:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
You have done it perfectly. Thanks for the support. Kyriakos 06:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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Napoleonics Updates
[edit]Hi Arvand, I loved the updates you have made to the Revolutionary/Napoleonics pages, so I went in to do some minor followup text cleanups, and only after a while did I realize that some of the things I was 'cleaning up' we some of the revisions you had just added. Rather than writing over each other's revisions, I thought we might chat about which format we wanted to use.
I am a big fan of commas, and some readers claim I use too many, so I was surprised to find myself deleting lots of commas from your revisions. In particular, I think that lists in text need lots of commas, such as: The axis of evil consists of Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. But I don't think commas are needed when converting text format to list format.
Axis of Evil:
Iraq
Iran
North Korea
I like how you turned text content into list content into many infoboxes, but I don't think the list items need the commas any more. Am I wrong? -Gomm 04:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- It turns out you were right and there's a guideline that commas should be added. Now I'll have go go back and reverse my revisions. -Gomm 21:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for help on the commas. I am not good at finding those tutorial/guidance pages either, and only 'find' them by doing something wrong and having them pointed out to me by somebody else :) -Gomm 16:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
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Copy edit
[edit]Hullo old friend, I just dropped by to say hello and ask for your assistance. I have been working on the Maniots and it just recently failed it GAC becuase of some bad grammar. COuld you please copy edit it as it would be greatly apppreciated. Also I just wanted to let you know if you wanted to help me get the First Peloponnesian War to GA. Bye. Kyriakos 11:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks
[edit]Hi Arvand, I just like to thank you for all your work helping me improve the Roman-Spartan War which lasted FA today by copy editting it. Once again thanks. Kyriakos 08:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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Battle of Thermopylae as a Persian Pyrrhic victory
[edit]Hi, I noticed that you changed the Battle of Thermopylae from a Persian Pyrrhic victory simply to a Persian victory. Some sources I've read call the battle a Pyrrhic victory (while most historians agree that the losses the Persians suffered, let alone the morale problems associated with such, were devastating even if they don't specifically call it a Pyrrhic victory), it certainly fits the description in the Pyrrhic victory (and is linked from there as well). Since I'd rather discuss this than just constantly mull it back and forth, I'd like to hear your thoughts. Cheers, Lankybugger 00:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Nevermind. Found the reply under the Talk page. I suppose that's fair, though I'll go ahead and edit the Pyrrhic victory page to account for this. Cheers, Lankybugger 18:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello again Arvand, thanks for your reply. Yeah, it's gonna get hectic with 300 and all, be sure of that. In fact it has already started! Too bad I won't be able to watch it until April. Laters. Miskin 22:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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I guess I had forgotten who you were, and that we had spoken in the past, otherwise I wouldn't have entered my "content-dispute" mode. I'm generally bad at remembering names and your double nickname arvand/commodore made it even harder for me. Regardless, I'm sorry if I have in any ways offended you, this was none of my intentions. Yet I sincerely do believe that you misunderstood what I said. Miskin 13:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I'll get back to you on Thermopylae once the Persian Gate thing is sorted. What you propose has already been tried in the past but due to some edit-warring and pov-pushing it was agreed to restore the "see below" formula. It makes no difference to me, I wouldn't mind having the consensus view in the infobox, but I do acknowledge that it attracts trouble. Miskin 13:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, the 20,000 on "modern estimates" signifies that Herodotus' numbers are accepted by modern scholars. Miskin 14:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Removing comments
[edit]You removed the comment again, but I restored it. Please be careful. AlexanderPar 18:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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Hey, thanks! I'm sorry I couldn't reply earlier, glad you sorted it out. Miskin 00:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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Persian Fleet at Salamis
[edit]It would have been impossible for Central Greece, an area which had already supplied Xerxes' fleet at the start, to replace, in full, the 600 triremes lost in the storms. Considering also that this was an area not known for naval power, they probably mustered no more than 150 triremes in time for the battle at Salamis. Thus the fleet would have numbered just over 700 triremes.
- You are correct, although I do not know your name. I guess you forgot to sign your name at the end. I actually did some light reading in the past few days after I reverted your edit. And I realized you were correct, (my apologies). The exact number would have been 727 (according to Herodotus). Starting with a fleet of 1,327, it was reduced to 927 right before Artemisium, and accounting for 100-200 casualties at Artemisium would give 727-827. We can write 727 if you agree. or 720+.--Arsenous Commodore 18:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I'll change it to circa 720, if you agree that is. I'm Dónall Dubh 19:54, 23 June 2007.
- Pleasure to speak with you Dónall. And thank you for your quick post, LOL. Circa 720 sounds great to me, friend.--Arsenous Commodore 19:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
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Galatian War
[edit]Hello, Arvand. I havent seen you for an long time old friend. Anyway I need some help on my new article and you are the first person who sprung to my mind. If you have time can you please take a look at the Galatian War and copy edit it. Thanks. Kyriakos 06:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Dear Arvand, Work on the above portal has recently begun. On behalf of Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor I'd like to request your assistance in completing it. Regards, Dónall Dubh 17:54 22 July 2007
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Battle of Thermopylae GA sweeps review: On Hold
[edit]As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the requirements of the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I have recently reviewed Battle of Thermopylae and have determined that it is in very good shape but need some assistance to remain a GA. I have put the article on hold for seven days until the issues on the talk page of the article are addressed. I wanted to mention it here since you have significantly edited the article in the past (determined by using WikiDashboard), and if interested, could assist in improving the article and help it to remain a GA. It currently has a few problems concerning inline citations and other general fixes. Additionally, I will be leaving messages on other WikiProjects and editors affiliated with the page to increase the number of participants assisting in the workload.
If you have any questions about what I've said here, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 23:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
- Also, the Battle of Marathon is on hold as it needs a few more inline citations. You can see the statements that need the citations on the talk page of the article. --Nehrams2020 20:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
25,000
[edit]Not to worry. I'm going to check all this stuff out and if it does not check out then out it checks. But, they want the specified items checked first. They don't even know about the more subtle vandalisms and errors.Dave 23:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Copy-edit
[edit]Hey Arvand. Nice to see you back. I was wondering if you would be able to copyedit the Cleomenean War if you have time. Thanks it would be greatly appreciated. Kyriakos 21:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
The 650,000
[edit]Hi Arvand. Thanks for fixing the commas. I never meant that Hammond gave 650,000 for the land forces. What I meant was, the total of his naval personnel and his land forces is 650,000 and if you add them up I think you will find that is so. However, I can see how you would get confused, so it either need more words to unconfuse it or to be left alone. I think the reader can figure it out for himself so I'm accepting your change. I think I will check what Google will allow me to see of Hammond again and if he does mention the 650,000 I'll let you know, not that it will make any diff, because we don't want to overkill and as I say most readers can add. There are still some sticky areas in that article so I will be doing a bit more work. Cio.Dave 23:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
- PS It seems that what you say is true. I'm going on the helot question now.Dave 23:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, hello. Thanks for the words. I'm a classicist. When I first saw the article it was pretty wild. The movie and the comics and what not generate a lot of publicity. So I tried to set people in the right direction but the article was subsequently riddled with vandalism and off-hand opinions. Somehow it made good, I got no idea how. Then it was going to lose good so I took a hand. As soon as it meets my satisfaction - or I give up on it - I'll be off again. All I'm doing is checking on refs and making sure what is said is based on the refs. If it doesn't say that then I have to do some minimal rewriting. For the sources, I would not depend in any way on the movies, the video, the comic - what have you. These people intend to entertain. They take whatever poetic license suits that purpose. There is also another deplorable trend - modern books although pretty decent tend to use the numbers of others without substantiation on the presumption that they do not need substantiation. The underlying error is that there is "right way" or "the way it is" that someone has already proved and is cast in concrete. There ain't no such animal and never was. So, I was seeing raves about the helots and people ready to start a revolution or donate millions to charity because the poor helots never received their due due and were being picked on in history as well as in real life. The helots are by no means an established fact. It's only a conjecture. Methinks they do protest too much. What are they to them? They might not even exist! So I made sure the article does not present them as an established fact. They might be perioeci or someone else. That's the point about the helots. Now, for the 10,000 I have not yet seen the number; however, if someone uses 10,000, that does not make it true, likely or even possible. He might have just said, well, that seems like a good poetic number for the movie goers. I have seen quite a large variety of numbers and I did mention Stecchini, whose link was already in there. He goes on for a couple of pages giving everyone's numbers but none of them are supported with scholarship. That's the only reason I refer to him. For the 7000 no one I can afford on the Internet of the moderns bothers to substantiate that number. They just give you the bald statement, well, there were 7000 Greeks. However some prior editor had got hold of some of the scholarship so I only made sure that his references were valid, put links in, and tried to unconfuse his argument. First he was saying there were 7000 then we was saying, well no, there were 900 more helots - just what was he saying? So I did an Internet search and lo and behold I found the argument dating from at least 1905, which blows the theory that Burns or some other recent author figured it all out. Part of the problem is that until Harvard released its books no one any longer had access to the sholarship of the past, so they just did not bother with it. I have been criticised for using 19th century books and before for refs and I have felt like saying, you idiot, that is where all the scholarship is, but Wikipedia policy advises against that kind of outburst. If you major in classics those are just the very books you are required to investigate. So I can't help you with the 10,000 and I just barely made it to the 7000, but I hope in this remarkably long-winded message (even longer than yours) to give you an idea of classical method. You can never just say anything! You always need a reason to say it. Your best bet for that 10,000 is to search Google Books on "Thermopylae 10,000" or some such thing. Most books are on limited preview and they will show you the few pages containing the reference as well as give you the specs for the book. As the system administrator said to me just now, make sure you use references for everything you say. But I would go one further. Make sure your references back up whatever they have said. Anyone can toss out numbers. We need reasons for the numbers. Otherwise it is just an allegator fight: Smith says this - NO, Jones says that - No, Green says something else - what we want to know is why Smith, Green or Jones said that and how substantial is it, and we want to know that in much less space than this message takes. You can delete this by the way. Happy editing.Dave 19:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- Hi buddy, you're in great company: William Butler Yeats, George Grote and countless others. Have you ever seen Bill Thayer's site? I think if you want to do this sort of work you will do it under any circumstances and feel wasted if you do not. There was an association of Latin speakers who were entirely businessmen at one point. I got no idea what happened to it. I quit classics long ago but it seems to get into your mind and stay there. So I never question anyone's credentials in any way except possibly to point out they have no idea what they are talking about and meddling in. They usually retort with venom. Credentials are what you express in good faith. The key word is credere. So, if you feel committed to do this, do it unblushingly. There's no need to ask acceptance or permission. Stay anonymous, but even if you didn't, the presumption of credere is acceptance, so people would have to accept you based on what you say. I'm OK, you're OK. That does not mean I am going to agree with you, but I won't be on the article much longer and I won't go back for some time unless called back. ciao. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Botteville (talk • contribs) 01:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, hello. Thanks for the words. I'm a classicist. When I first saw the article it was pretty wild. The movie and the comics and what not generate a lot of publicity. So I tried to set people in the right direction but the article was subsequently riddled with vandalism and off-hand opinions. Somehow it made good, I got no idea how. Then it was going to lose good so I took a hand. As soon as it meets my satisfaction - or I give up on it - I'll be off again. All I'm doing is checking on refs and making sure what is said is based on the refs. If it doesn't say that then I have to do some minimal rewriting. For the sources, I would not depend in any way on the movies, the video, the comic - what have you. These people intend to entertain. They take whatever poetic license suits that purpose. There is also another deplorable trend - modern books although pretty decent tend to use the numbers of others without substantiation on the presumption that they do not need substantiation. The underlying error is that there is "right way" or "the way it is" that someone has already proved and is cast in concrete. There ain't no such animal and never was. So, I was seeing raves about the helots and people ready to start a revolution or donate millions to charity because the poor helots never received their due due and were being picked on in history as well as in real life. The helots are by no means an established fact. It's only a conjecture. Methinks they do protest too much. What are they to them? They might not even exist! So I made sure the article does not present them as an established fact. They might be perioeci or someone else. That's the point about the helots. Now, for the 10,000 I have not yet seen the number; however, if someone uses 10,000, that does not make it true, likely or even possible. He might have just said, well, that seems like a good poetic number for the movie goers. I have seen quite a large variety of numbers and I did mention Stecchini, whose link was already in there. He goes on for a couple of pages giving everyone's numbers but none of them are supported with scholarship. That's the only reason I refer to him. For the 7000 no one I can afford on the Internet of the moderns bothers to substantiate that number. They just give you the bald statement, well, there were 7000 Greeks. However some prior editor had got hold of some of the scholarship so I only made sure that his references were valid, put links in, and tried to unconfuse his argument. First he was saying there were 7000 then we was saying, well no, there were 900 more helots - just what was he saying? So I did an Internet search and lo and behold I found the argument dating from at least 1905, which blows the theory that Burns or some other recent author figured it all out. Part of the problem is that until Harvard released its books no one any longer had access to the sholarship of the past, so they just did not bother with it. I have been criticised for using 19th century books and before for refs and I have felt like saying, you idiot, that is where all the scholarship is, but Wikipedia policy advises against that kind of outburst. If you major in classics those are just the very books you are required to investigate. So I can't help you with the 10,000 and I just barely made it to the 7000, but I hope in this remarkably long-winded message (even longer than yours) to give you an idea of classical method. You can never just say anything! You always need a reason to say it. Your best bet for that 10,000 is to search Google Books on "Thermopylae 10,000" or some such thing. Most books are on limited preview and they will show you the few pages containing the reference as well as give you the specs for the book. As the system administrator said to me just now, make sure you use references for everything you say. But I would go one further. Make sure your references back up whatever they have said. Anyone can toss out numbers. We need reasons for the numbers. Otherwise it is just an allegator fight: Smith says this - NO, Jones says that - No, Green says something else - what we want to know is why Smith, Green or Jones said that and how substantial is it, and we want to know that in much less space than this message takes. You can delete this by the way. Happy editing.Dave 19:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
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