User talk:Basyirun

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Your edit summary[edit]

sectarian tension and separatism are too bias as the lead of this article, please write the common information about country as the lead paragraph not its rare condition it ever has Please note that there are many conventions in WP en - and one is that we do not remove words - just because WP:IDONTLIKEIT - you would need also to find WP:RS that would argue that sectarian tension and separatism have not existed - or in your word rare condition - in other words if you dont like it - where is your source to say otherwise? Satu Suro 01:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RULES[edit]

WP:3RR is one you should read very very carefully - and also - you should learn to understand that you dont just go in and tell the world what Indonesia is as you like it - the evidence from WP:RS and other material shows clearly that with a complex multi ethnic and large country - there has always been sectarian tension and separatism during the whole history of the nation of Indonesia - whether you know it (or like it) or not - Satu Suro 02:25, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK so you have put a ref that does not specifically relate to the wider Indonesia - where the initial comment was in context - there have always been ethnic and religious tensions in the Indonesian nation - and the use of sometimes is in fact in error - but i will not pursue this further - at least you have made the effort to find a ref - but I still fundamentally disagree with you in principle (some say there was not a single day during the Sukarno era when there wasnt either violence or issue of law and order related to regional separatists somewhere in Indonesia - maybe Suharto lessened the tendency around the nation by force ) - inshallah we might meet in agreement on something else then sometime Satu Suro 02:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please note I have asked other WP Indonesia en - editors to comment about this issue at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia Satu Suro 03:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]