User talk:Bazciscor

Thank you for your contributions on Suse Linux article. However, I have reverted your edits, as Suse doesn't have problems with network cards. It may have problems with Wi-Fi adapters, which is a common problem. If you can verify your edits, please be bold and do so. By the way, welcome to Wikipedia. --Emre D. | Talk 22:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, almost all network controller cards (aka. Ethernet adapters) are recognized and supported by the Kernel. Unless you have a very exotic one, you shouldn't have a problem here. It identifies and lets you use your existing adapter easily. However, if you have a Wi-Fi network, probably 10.1 doesn't come with any drivers for your Wi-Fi adapter, because they don't exist legally. You have to use Ndiswrapper for mad wi-fi for this support. These methods work by using Windows specific drivers or reverse engineered ones. As a matter of fact, neither of these came with openSuse 10.1.

Anyway, I reverted according to WP:NPOV and WP:CITE. We can not just edit according to our own experiences. If Suse 10.1 is widely criticized of something, and if we can cite sources, then there is not a problem. However, most distro's have similar problems and it is because legal problems with GPL and lack of support by hardware manufacturers. This is not because Suse lacks support.

So; if you re-phrase it without personal experiences, you are welcome to do it. Also, you should add the question to the article's talk page.

As I side note, I wholeheartedly agree with some of your frustrations, but my belief is Linux is still not ready for prime time. You might have encountered worse problems, or simple problems with catastrophic results, both of which never happened to me with Suse. Anyway, Wikipedia is not a technical discussion forum and I wrote too much already. If you want, post in the article's talk page and after some kind of consensus, then make the edits.

BTW, http://www.suseforums.net/ has a friendly community. And I am not a geek either. :) Sorry for the hassle I caused. Have fun... --Emre D. | Talk 17:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My point was not about personal references, rather personal experiences. And to clear some misconceptions, please look at, what Wikipedia is not. Related to your message; Wikipedia is not informal; it is an encyclopedia. If one version of Suse does not include proprietary kernel modules, next one may. I hate Ubuntu for simple but personal reasons/problems, but I don't list them on Ubuntu page. (You should try Ubuntu once by the way.)

And I am not financially or emotionally related to Suse in anyway. I just use it for now, because it works for me. In fact, I have three distros (Suse 10.1, PCLOS 0.93,Dapper Drake) and XP installed. Despite, I mostly use Suse, I try a lot of different distros to find which suits me most.

Anyway, as you think I am not fair, please make a post in the article's talk page and ask for other fellow Wikipedians' opinion. However, as you weren't properly welcomed, please start by reading some helpful pages.

Also, in openSUSE 10.1 zen-updater, rug, Yast i.e. all Package management was terribly broken. That is a criticism and big mistake, but not an encyclopedic fact.

All-in-all,when two people disagrees, a third party is needed to reach a consensus Again, please do say it article's talk page. And one more thing; I sincerely apologize, if I sounded a bit serious. But, believe me, I am not. IMHO, we should be trying to have fun and do something helpful along the way. That is my motto. Anyway, keep up the good work. Cheers... --Emre D. | Talk 19:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct - it is all about fun. I became sucked into SUSE with the networking problem. I really had high hopes for it. I did try nsdwrapper (sp?) - system crashed - and have downloaded madwifi, but I'm having difficulty installing. SUSE is simply too much – and I really don't see benefits outweighing the costs in time and energy. I'm still interested in Linux - probably about to go out and buy a reference guide (any suggestions?). Funny you should mention Ubuntu. I'm probably going to try Kubuntu soon. Why don't you like it? Anyway, I'm happy we kept it civil. Regards, Baz —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bazciscor (talk • contribs) 01:30, 14 August 2006 .

In fact, mad-wifi and ndiswarapper need kernel modules to operate. If you don't have any precious experience with compiling your own modules, it is a hard work. However, official repos already have mad-wifi kernel available. As far as I can tell, Ubuntu comes precompiled with this modules. So, there is a good chance your network adapter will work out of the box. (Don't keep your hopes up) Anyway, subscription to a good friendly forum and lots of reading is a must for most Linux distros. I might recommend Wiley's Suse Linux Bible series, They are well organized and good reading for both the beginner and intermediate users. Don't forget to use www.opensuse.org Wiki, especially for trivial tasks.

My reason for not liking Ubuntu is not something technical. I don't like it and that is all. :) BTW, please try PCLOS too. That is a quite good distro for beginners, maybe better than Ubuntu. Anyway, the main point in this paragraph is; Not all Linux distributions are created equal, try to find one which suits you most. And don't forget to read some manuals.

Hope you continue contributing to Wikipedia. It is always good to have Wikipedians that we can talk about things in a civilized way.

By the way, it is always a good practice to sign your posts on talk pages by typing --~~~~

Cheers. --Emre D. | Talk 10:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]