User talk:Bebe Quiet Collier

January 2024

Hello, I'm Pickersgill-Cunliffe. I wanted to let you know that one or more external links you added to Harvey (play) have been removed because they seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page, or take a look at our guidelines about links. Thank you. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 02:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't people know that the places are real. I'm confused. Did you take out the picture or did I? Using the links is what make Wikipedia more that the article you see. Let's leave it in until others complain. Also, connect to me on linkedin Bebe Kanter. I see myself as a Elwood. Bebe

Bebe Kanter

www.quietcollierinc.com Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Which like was unacceptable? I don't know what to fix. Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 08:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Izaak Kolthoff. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include, but are not limited to, links to personal websites, links to websites with which you are affiliated (whether as a link in article text, or a citation in an article), and links that attract visitors to a website or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the page, please discuss it on the associated talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. AntiDionysius (talk) 05:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Could you please send id which external link is not acceptable. I don't know which one to reject or delete. Thanks, Bebe Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 08:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

You inserted a LinkedIn profile link into the body of an article. You should read the external links guideline, but in general, you basically never should be inserting social media links, or external links in article bodies. AntiDionysius (talk) 08:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Please do not add unsourced or original content, as you did with this edit to Izaak Kolthoff. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. MacAddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 03:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Please cite what is unsourced. I want to do it the wiki way. After we determined what is unsourced, we can determine how to fix the problem. I will be happy to hire somebody to assist me in this process. Thanks Bebe Kanter Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 19:00, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

All material that does not have a reference immediately after it is unsourced. For example with this edit to Draft:Stanley Bruckenstein you removed material that had references and added material with no references at all. Material in Wikipedia has to have been published elsewhere in reliable sources. Please leave it out of the article until you can locate published material that supports it. It does not have to be online, but it must be more than a family publication. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Bebe Quiet Collier. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{edit COI}} template);
• disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. AntiDionysius (talk) 05:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I hoped to comply with the rules of full disclosure by telling you that I was related to Stanley. I saw the movie Oppenheimer and realized that my father was the second chapter. Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 09:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Obviously I have a conflict of interest.

"avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors" I want to create an article about my father. Eventually I'll learn the Wiki Way. It should be much shorter.

I'll get rid of adverbs and adjectives. What part of the content disturbs you? Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 14:19, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Could I hire you to do the citations? If you did a few, I'd get the hang of this.

I see this as an enhancement to the Oppenheimer movie. The movie blurred the scientists all together. I knew them. Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 04:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Stanley Bruckenstein (January 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Lopifalko was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Stanley Bruckenstein and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Lopifalko (talk) 07:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

This article contains wording that promotes the subject in a subjective manner without imparting real information. Please remove or replace such wording and instead of making proclamations about a subject's importance, use facts and attribution to demonstrate that importance.

Which facts are not real information? Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 09:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bebe Quiet Collier! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Lopifalko (talk) 07:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

It's the general critics that our frustrating. Could you please tell me which specific items need correcting? Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 08:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

How do I give Cindy Banyai editorial rights. Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 20:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Stanley Bruckenstein (January 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Stanley Bruckenstein and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

How do I authorize my marketing consultant, Cindy Banyai, to make the fixes? Thanks, Bebe Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 20:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean by authorise? Editing of the draft is not restricted.

That said, she would be required to have her own account (sharing of Wikipedia accounts is not permitted) and to comply with Wikipedia's rules on Paid Editing.

Frankly, I would advise against it; there are already problems of neutrality in the article, stemming from your conflict of interest. Bringing on a paid editor will not make those better. AntiDionysius (talk) 20:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I disclosed that I was the daughter of Stanley Bruckenstein. That's a positive first step.

Please tell me what parts of the article seem like marketing. I will delete them. Thanks Bebe Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 14:14, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

We find that anyone who has ever written marketing materials finds it very difficult to adopt the neutral tone required of encyclopedia articles. The point of marketing is to highlight the wonderfulness of a topic. An article about a scientist who has made an impact on their field needs none of that. The impact is shown by their accomplishments without adding any adjectives. Bruckenstein meets the requirements of WP:NPROF. Let his accomplishments speak for themselves. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:30, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Dear Starry Grandma:

I am not a programmer. How does one write a Wikipedia article about somebody who is alive? My father has dementia, he was a pillar of cold war science history. Bebe Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 13:31, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Stanley Bruckenstein has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Stanley Bruckenstein. Thanks! StarryGrandma (talk) 03:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

The references issue is easy to fix. One person complained that the article didn't contain real information. The approach will be to make the article very short and then add to it incrementally. I disclosed that I was Stanley's eldest daughter and I should have done. We'll move onward. My father's accomplishments are Facts. I need to learn how to present them the wiki way:)

Thanks

Barbara Bruckenstein Kanter Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 14:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Starry Grandma: I'm convinced that I can't make it through the gauntlet, even though many of Stanley Bruckenstein's peers have. Who should I hire to create the submission. After it's up, I'll inform his graduate students that the listing exists and they can make contributions to flesh it out. They have more stake in listing the publications than I do. Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 01:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

No one who starts editing here has ever written for an encyclopedia before. There is a steep learning curve, and most new editors need a lot of help. It is not a gauntlet. The basic rule is there must be sources and write only what is in the sources, not what you know. Usually its students who write about professors. I have written User:StarryGrandma/Writing an article about a professor or researcher to help.

Hiring someone won't help. Volunteers here are always happy to help a new editor learn how to do this in hopes they go on to work on a lot of articles. We think people who are being paid should do their research and learn on their own BEFORE editing here, but they don't and consume our time unnecessarily. StarryGrandma (talk) 16:21, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Just a note. I've started rewriting the article a bit. I noticed some material was copied in directly from here. Such-copy-paste is a copyright violation (as well as plagiarism), which Wikipedia for legal reasons must take very seriously. Everything must be written in your own words except for very short quotations, in quotes, with source given. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Biographical memoir as a source

One type of source that is commonly used for information about academic scientists is the biographical memoir. This is usally written by fellow scientists, often two or more working together. They usually are colleagues or former students who themselves are mid-career scientist. They summarize a scientist's career, but often include much biographical and family information, often with input from the scientist's family, and can be quite personal in tone in a way an encyclopedia article cannot be. They are typically published by the scientific society the person belonged to.

An example is the one linked at the bottom of Izaak Kolthoff's article. The pdf is also linked here and I suggest reading it. It is personal, by a former student. There is not much family information since Kolthoff never married. He lived on campus near the Chemistry building; his work and students were his family. (You as a god-daughter are in a sense his grandchild.) Most such memoirs have more family information, and can be quite emotional to read. One for a scientist I knew, written by a fellow physicist who was an historian of science, is linked here.

These memoirs often include the type of material that you are trying to put here without sources. Most of these are written after the death of the scientist. But it doesn't have to wait until then. Sometimes they are written for retired faculty and linked to their emeritus faculty web page. I suggest you contact some of his students, academics in mid-career, about writing one. They may not know how to do it, but they will be familiar with them and can learn how to do it. I'm sure the chemistry department at the University at Buffalo would be willing to host such a memoir linked to his faculty page, or it could be at another institution. It can then be used as a source for factual material that so far had not been published, and linked to the article about him. University web pages come and go, but the pages Wikipedia uses a sources are archived at the Wayback Machine at the Internet Archive to keep them available as long as Wikipedia lasts. -- StarryGrandma (talk) 05:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Can I hire you. I'm so busy that I will have to drop this project. I used both the U of MN and U of Buffalo versions and got tagged. If you google me on linkedIN you can find direct contact info. My original intention was to put up a skeleton posting based on U of MN and SUNY at Buffalo bios. Once that was up I'd ask his graduate students to annotate. Many are starting to die. Bebe

Thanks. Bebe Quiet Collier (talk) 18:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

It is not a matter of hiring someone. A memoir would only be a reliable source if it was written by a colleague or former student, and published or at least put online somewhere academic. The ones I linked to are long but they only have to be a page or two. I understand about students retiring. A few months ago I was working on an article about a scientist who died at age 94. I was hoping for an obituary from his students to give details of his scientific career, but there was none - I assume those who knew him were all gone or long retired.

I was starting to rewrite the article into Wikipedia's encyclopedia style before accepting it. I find I usually have to do that before accepting articles because most new editors are not familiar with how to write for an encyclopedia. After the article is in article space the only material that can be added is information that has been reliably published somewhere. Just putting in information from personal experience is not possible. Your father has had such interesting experiences I suggest you write them up in a document for your family. A friend's father finally spoke to his family about his experiences working at Los Alamos before the war - it was all to be kept secret. After his death they found a letter of commendation from Oppenheimer. It was wonderful that he had finally talked about it before he died. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)