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4-8-4 Photo

Hello. I am preparing an article on the SAR 500 class. I have restored a B&W picture from 1927 which I would like to add to the article. The photographer is unknown, and definitely dead, and I am not aware the picture has been published. I got lost in the Commons stuff about copyright, but noticed it was "easy"! I also have an official print from 1936 that would make a good addition. Do you think I use these?Mav62 (talk) 11:50, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Problem is, there are no suitable photos on Commons, and the author of the photo is unknown. Those who might know are dead too! I will keep trying.Mav62 (talk) 08:38, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Bayerische B V

Hi, I made a redirect Bayerische B V to Bavarian B V, since that is the original German name of the locs, and also added it in italics to the article. I see you are making a whole list of these. Further, the categories should go below the sections of the article (and thereafter the interwiki links, e.g. to the German WP). Happy editing, Crowsnest (talk) 13:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I was just hopping through new articles when I saw your article on the Bayerische B V. I did have model trains when I was a kid, perhaps that made the interest. Good luck, Crowsnest (talk) 16:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 18 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nuremberg Transport Museum, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 07:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice job with translating BTW. I saw the article on new page patrol and could see you had begun translating. Keep up the translation and good work! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Verbandsbauart

Hello. This is the English Wikipedia (not the German) ;) Should you need help for translating the article, feel free to contact me. De728631 (talk) 18:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice job! De728631 (talk) 22:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Bavarian Localbahn Society

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 19:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

List of OF DBAG locomotives and railbuses

Hello again. Just a reminder, it looks like you typoed while writing the page title. A move might be in order. ;) Also, for clarification you might also want to write out Deutsche Bahn AG, not everyone knows what DBAG means. De728631 (talk) 13:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

  • You're right - I've just spotted it and moved it! I will ensure the introduction makes DBAG clearer. Thanks - I need someone to proof-read; going cross-eyed with all the translation! --Bermicourt (talk) 13:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Looks like you found that someone. De728631 (talk) 13:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

That's it, we're done :) De728631 (talk) 15:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

  • A good team effort - thank you! --Bermicourt (talk) 19:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Meiningen Steam Locomotive Works DYK

Updated DYK query On 16 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Meiningen Steam Locomotive Works, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 03:35, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Railway project

Well, I'm already with WP Translation and Lighthouses, so railways might be a tad too much for me - although I must admit to being somewhat guilty of railway fandom. You are welcome though to place translation requests at WP:Translation#How to propose a page to be translated so we can do the work for you. :) De728631 (talk) 17:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: German railway articles

The simple answer right now to adding articles to the Trains project recent changes list is to manually add them. The list was originally created manually, but was last updated by a bot based on the placement of the {{TrainsWikiProject}} banner on the talk pages. I was hoping that we could have a bot update the list about once every week or so, but haven't had a chance to follow through on this yet. Slambo (Speak) 10:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the article on the 06 class 4-8-4, I have edited the mention of these under the 4-8-4 wheel arrangement. The specification in the DRG 06 article give cylinder dimensions of 520x720mm, whereas Railway World 1952-53 gives 450 x 660mm. They also note Borsig as the builder. The information is in a table, and could be in error, but three 520x720 cylinders would be pretty hungry!Mav62 (talk) 12:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for checking, I'll undo the cylinder dimensions on the 4-8-4 page. Sad that we lost these, and Chapelon's 242A1, and also Gresley's P1. The 06 must have been a mighty locomotive. Is the tractive effort quoted by World Railways correct - it is not in your table.Mav62 (talk) 10:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

ICE 1 / DB Class 401

I have just noticed your renaming of the ICE 1 article back to DB Class 401. The revision history says: "ICE 1 article moved here to conform with German locomotive and Wikipedia naming conventions". I don't quite get the point of this re-renaming. Only the power heads of the ICE 1 trainset are reffered to as "class 401" while the cars in between are designated as classes 801, 802, 803 and 804. The naming conventions for rail vehicles on the German Wikipeda do not yet say what should be done in such cases. I also haven't found any clue in the English naming conventions that would require such a renaming.

From what I understand, there is no point in referring to the whole trainset by the name of its powerheads, so I would say we should rather move it back to ICE 1. What do you think? --Bigbug21 (talk) 15:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response (on my talk page). I have just undone the renaming. By the way: It's the same thing with the ICE 2. The power heads go by the name "Baureihe 402" while the four types of coaches have the designations Baureihe 805 to Baureihe 808...
I would also like to thank you for your hint on the German Rail Transport task force. I'll have a look at it. Besides, if there are any questions on high-speed rail transportation in Germany, just let me know. It is my field of expertise. --Bigbug21 (talk) 19:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Rail transport in Germany task force - status table

I could not find your project page. Try using this table & change the UK [Categories], as appropriate, to your German [Categories]. You also need to set your project up on [Wikipedia 1.0 assessments] so that the bot updates your table.Pyrotec (talk) 18:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Quality
classes 		  Other
classes
FA Disambig
A Redirect
GA Template
B Category
C File
Start List
Stub
???
Needed
NA

This category contains articles that have been assessed by the UK Railways WikiProject. Articles are automatically placed in the appropriate sub-category when a rating is given; please see the assessment department for more information.

UK Railways articles by quality and importance
Quality Importance
Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total
FA 1 4 18 20 43
FL 4 2 6
A 1 1
GA 1 13 43 89 146
B 8 55 191 287 1 542
C 8 62 430 973 7 1,480
Start 2 76 853 6,081 8 7,020
Stub 2 66 5,652 3 5,723
List 6 89 150 8 5 258
Category 2 16 2,119 2,137
Disambig 2 8 69 79
File 65 65
Redirect 3 23 186 548 760
Template 1 4 24 1,387 1,416
NA 1 1 2
Other 5 5
Assessed 20 223 1,725 13,489 4,202 24 19,683
Unassessed 1 3 22 26
Total 20 223 1,726 13,492 4,202 46 19,709
WikiWork factors (?) ω = 77,274 Ω = 5.17


Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments *Quality

Hi Bermicourt, I've modified the above template for "Rail transport in Germany", set up some directories in Category:Rail transport in Germany articles by quality and I've run the bot. As all the entries in the table are zero (the table is blank), there is a problem. Looking at some of your task force articles, e.g. Talk:DB Class 420 the templates are rating them for WP Germany and for WP rail transport but not for WP Rail transport in Germany. This seems the be the case for all the articles that I have looked at within the scope of your task force. The problem appears to lie in Template:TrainsWikiProject. This is a protected template, so we need someone such as User:Slambo, who is an Administrator, to fix the problem for us. Note: The bot will update the table every three days or so, but as none of the articles have a quality assessment, the table will remain empty until the template is fixed.Pyrotec (talk) 20:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes there are separate importance ratings for TrainsWP and for national projects such as DE and UK. I've added DE-importance ratings this morning for your two GA-class articles (only) and I ran the bot a couple of times to populate the table. The bot will run automatically. Pyrotec (talk) 08:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

"English spelling"

Hi! Why did you move München Berduxstraße railway station to München Berduxstrasse railway station with a remark "English spelling"? You removed the ß - okay. But what about the umlaut-ü? Is that part of English spelling nowadays? I think the move is somewhat senseless... --FloSch (talk) 19:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

This has been debated before. English speakers have a problem with 'ß' and tend to pronounce it as a 'B' so it is worth changing. On the other hand umlauts tend to be ignored. To anglicise it fully it should be retitled to 'Munich Berduxstrasse', but so far I have resisted the temptation to make such a sweeping change as there are so many stations with 'München' in the title. Hope that makes some sense. Bermicourt (talk) 22:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, it makes more sense, I wouldn't say it's better though ;) --FloSch (talk) 20:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
The ß is perfectly acceptable in the English Wikipedia, and pages like Uhlandstrasse (Berlin U-Bahn) where the page title disagrees with the bolded name in the article and the picture just look ridiculous. Please do not move any more pages to incorrect spellings without discussion (and please don't start another discussion like the WP:LAME edit war on Voßstraße). It would be nice if you could revert your changes. Thank you, Kusma (talk) 10:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't expecting you to know the history of the lame ß debates (if you want to get bored, read the archives of WT:GSWN and WT:GER, where this topic comes up every now and then). Thank you for agreeing not to do any more ß-related page moves. To make things easier for people who can't read funny foreign squiggles, another possibility is to create redirects for the non-ß versions. Happy editing, Kusma (talk) 17:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Firebox

You moved Firebox (steam engine) to Firebox (locomotive). Fireboxes are used in all sorts of boilers, not just locomotives. Please do not perform edits of this kind when you obviously have no idea what you are doing. Globbet (talk) 21:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi. You said "But if I had no idea of what I was doing, how would I know not to do it?". Firstly, before doing a move, you are probably better to signal your intentions on the talk page first, and secondly I humbly suggest you need to have a good look round and make sure you understand the subject. I was a bit sharp, sorry, I should have paused before expressing my irritation. Globbet (talk) 21:58, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Taunus-Eisenbahn

No wories, I don't own it anyway. When I get time I'll have another go at translating German rail articles.--Grahame (talk) 00:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

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You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Prussian G 8 DYK nomination

Hallo, I've nominated your article Prussian G 8 at DYK. Maybe you can provide additional citations? -- Matthead  Discuß   15:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Translation of Deggendorf-Plattling Railway. note regarding translation of article.

Hi! Nice to find another Cantabrigian on here! I'm a Trinity man myself :) I just thought it would be wise to ask you with relation to the above article that if you are translating articles out of another Wikipedia into here, could you please be kind enough to do this in your userspace, maybe by creating your own Sandbox and once completed, you may then copy the text into an article. It's wonderful that you are doing this for us, and I thank you warmly for assisting in expanding our encyclopædia. With regards, Thor Malmjursson (talk) 01:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Use of {{translated}} template

Hi - I see you are creating some new articles using the {{translated}} template. You may not be aware, but this template was nominated for deletion recently, and consensus was to delete it (see Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 December 11#Template:Translated). The template {{translated page}} should be placed on the article's talk page instead.

I'm currently going through articles to remove {{translated}}, and tagging the talk pages appropriately. I'm not asking you to fix ones you've already done as I'll pick these up in due course, but if you don't add any more it'll make things easier for me. Many thanks, and thanks for all the good translation work you've done. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 08:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi - sorry for not responding to your query earlier. For some reason, it was in my archive folder, so I didn't notice it! —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 14:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of railway pioneers

I have nominated List of railway pioneers, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of railway pioneers. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Ironholds (talk) 17:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully the AfD will provide just such a debate. The issue is that it is completely subjective; if, say, they had all won awards with 'for your pioneering railway work' as a rationale then we can include them, but otherwise it just boils down to 'so-and-so says this man is notable for his railway work, therefore so-and-so has put him in'. Ironholds (talk) 18:07, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Your edit on Basel Badischer Bahnhof

Hi there,

I noticed you moved the page about Basel Bad Bf to Basel Badischer station, stating that this would be the correct English translation. I had to revert that change, as Badischer Bahnhof is a proper name by itself and therefore should stand untranslated - or else, we might go ahead on the German wikipedia and get ourselves a nice London Königskreuzung. ;)

--doco (☏) 22:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

DB Kleinloks..

I'm happy someone else read it! Yes, I'm currently working on and around locomotive articles relating to DB (~diesel or electric) as well trying to fill out the english wikipedia with a range of articles on European locos (French and Spanish as well) amongst other things (British Rail too). Once that's done I'll probably move onto wagons...

I've added myself to the list.Carrolljon (talk) 17:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

There's another list here:Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/By country series task force, now I'm on two lists...Carrolljon (talk) 20:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


Funny german word

Hello. I'm stuck on a word (it's for improvements to the MaK G 1206 article (the text is from loks-aus-kiel.de) :

Neben einem umfangreichen Ausrüstungspaket für Einsätze im skandinavischen Winter gehören dazu Drehgestelle mit Lenkerführung für eine Höchstgeschwindigkeit von 100 km/h und Getriebe mit einer im Stillstand schaltbaren Stufe.

In addition to equipment for scandinavian conditions.."Lenkerführung für eine Höchstgeschwindigkeit.." for a maximum speed of 100km/h were fitted as well as a very low speed gear. (Very approx transl.)

I thinks this is "yaw dampers for a maximum speed of..." as in "anti-hunting dampers" - but there are reasons I doubt this is right - what else could it be?

PS in rail transport by country Germany has it's own page but I can't find anywhere to put new articles about french etc rail. Maybe that taskforce doesn't exist?Carrolljon (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - I think you are right (probably) - fuhrung seems to be leading/steering - so a Beugniot lever might be in there.

Things is, as you say the Beugniot lever reduces wear and tear as you say - but the impression I got was that it was saying that it could go faster becuase of the "Lenkerführung" - later on it says that the same bogies were used in a later model which was wear free - so that decides it for me.. (as yaw dampers dont reduce wear as far as I know)

Thanks.Carrolljon (talk) 23:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Template:Derived page/doc

Hi - I'm not sure what you were trying to do here, but I've reverted your changes as the base template has not been moved. Are you trying to rename the template, or create a similar one? If you want to move it, you'll need an administrator to move it for you as the page is protected (I'm happy to do this for you if you can show consensus). If you want to create a new similar template, then I suggest the easiest way is to simply cut and paste the source code of the template and documentation, giving the source in the initial edit summary. Let me know if you need any further help with this. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 13:01, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you - it was simply an unintended error. I was using the text to create another new template but got my wires crossed! --Bermicourt (talk) 07:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Your edits to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Rail transport in Germany task force

Hi it's not usual practice to delete others' talk page comments, in fact it is generally regarded as quite a serious thing to have done. Please see my comments on that page. I wonder if you are being a little ambitious attempting to set up such an elaborate taskforce when you don't appear to be very familiar with Wikipedia's modes of operation? Consensus is seen as incredibly important on Wikipedia, and the wider the effect of an edit, the more important consensus is. Consensus can only be built by communication between editors, which doesn't appear to have been your style on this project to date. Can I suggest you review WP:Wikiquette and WP:Talk page guidelines, particularly WP:Talk page guidelines#When pages get too long. --Rogerb67 (talk) 23:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)--Rogerb67 (talk) 23:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The aim was to move the conventions to their own page from a talk page where they were mal-located. The comments have now been reinstated on the associated convention talk page. Issue now sorted. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Your comments and suggestions about translating German railway articles

I appreciate your comments and suggestions, and have updated the rail transport in Germany task force page accordingly. I have also taken your suggestion to use a sandbox to heart, and will develop my next project in its entirety there, before submitting it formally. I am going to attempt to tackle the Gäubahn (Stuttgart–Singen), which is my home line, so to speak, having grown up on it. - Concertmusic (talk) 17:33, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Here you are!

The German Project Barnstar.
Awarded as a little thank you. Keep on with your good work.

Given by Sebastian scha. 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I think you are working good and hard on German railway related articles, so I'm bold and say a litte thank you. Keep on, please. I think your work is really improving wiki. Have a nice day. Sebastian scha. (talk) 13:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC) (ps. I changed your German railway stations list-template a little bit, because using Hamburg area would list several stations in two lists, e.g. Pinnerberg station in the Schleswig-Holstein list and in Hamburg area list. I hope you don't mind.)

Thanks. My English is basic level, because every time I write here: the second browser window open is a translation helper *smile* And my grammar is a bit rough and based on German sentence structure. Reading and editing helps to improve it. And for criticism: everything new — and better — is often criticized, because they don't know better *smile* Don't let this discourage yourself! Have a nice day. -- Sebastian scha. (talk) 14:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review

I have posted a question at Wikipedia:Deletion review#Template:BS-daten which you may be able to answer. Can you please return to that discussion to answer it? Stifle (talk) 10:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

Hello there. I've edited Haßfurt–Hofheim railway to demonstrate what I was talking about on the DRV. Infobox rail line can include a route diagram template, but it needs to be wrapped in its own template. I've created Template:RDT Haßfurt–Hofheim (with formatting tweaks) to do this. Please let me know what you think. Best, Mackensen (talk) 11:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Germany

Welcome, Bermicourt, to the WikiProject Germany! Please direct any questions about the project to its talk page. If you create new articles on Germany-related topics, please list them at our announcement page and tag their talk page with our project template {{WikiProject Germany}}. A few features that you might find helpful:

  • The project's Navigation box points to most of the pages in the project that might be of use to you.
  • Most of the important discussions related to the project take place on the project's main talk page; you may find it useful to watchlist it.
  • We've developed a number of guidelines for names, titles, and other things to standardize our articles and make interlinking easier that you may find useful.

Here are some tasks you can do. Please remove completed tasks from the list.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me or any of the more experienced members of the project, and we'll be very happy to help you. Again, welcome, and thank you for joining this project! Agathoclea (talk) 20:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Höllental

Hi Bermicourt, I just noticed Your article on the Höllental in the Black Forest. Thank You for creating that in the first place, but I would like to ask where you came up with Hölle Valley as an english name - never heard that before. I would like to suggest that either translate it completely (hell valley) or, to be accurate, use the proper name "Höllental", then give the explanation about the name in the introduction (compare Schweinfurt). Same goes for the franconian Höllental. KapHorn (talk) 09:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(use_English)#No_established_usage KapHorn (talk) 11:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Ohh-kay ... to a certain extent. There's a difference in the connotation. Elbe valley, or Elbtal, refers to the Valley of the Elbe, right. Höllental does not - it is not the Valley of Hölle, or Valley of the Hölle. Höllentäler get their names usually, as far as I've heard, because people were afraid of them and considered them ugly, scary, in one word, hellish places.

It seems to me that the english wikipedia is a little inconsistent here, making a difference between, say, lakes and valleys. Perhaps a difference ought to be made between valley named according to rivers running through them, and valleys named for another reason. Though you're right - but then, as far as I can tell, Elbe valley or Rhine valley are established english usage. I very much doubt that Hölle Valley is established english usage - unless it refers to a valley with a river named Hölle in it. Then, it would be Hölletal in german - not Höllental. Also, according to the examples given, now you've got two names for each valley - Rothbach valley in the Black Forest, Selbitz valley in Franconia, in addition to Höllental. May I also add that you seem to contradict yourself? "...do not translate the proper noun, unless it has an accepted English equipvalent": Sure as hell Hell's the accepted english equivalent of Hölle. Even so I question your translation - I think you'd have to include the "n" (Höllental -> Höllen Valley), but that, perhaps just me.

I'm looking for a Britannica here, to see what it did with these valleys. I'd question the use of tourist guides as orientation in this instance. Did I get that right that you did not translate yourself, but picked up Hölle Valley either from a dict., or a tourist guide?

"Use the original if there is no established English usage" seems to me to indicate Höllental as the best idea, still. However, the "real" german name should, in this instance, be found somewhere on the english wikipedia, even if it's just a redirect to Höllen Valley. Hope I wasn't too disagreeable. What I am is curious - what does HTH stand for? So long, KapHorn (talk) 09:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Thnx, Bermicourt. Agree with the conclusion, and, of course, your doubt. :) I certainly did not mean to propose translation. Just to think what would happen to Oxford/Ochsenfurth - that would never get straight! On a more serious note - the village named Hölle next to a Höllental does not necessarily indicate that the valley must have been named for the village. Might as well have been the other way round. Or both might be derived from the once scary character of the valley ... anyhow, your reply sure did help. KapHorn (talk) 14:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Verbindungsbahn (Stuttgart) comments

Sorry about the lengthy delay in responding to your comments. I will have a look at the BS-Daten template, and will change the articles I have worked on if I can get it to work for me. Thank you! Concertmusic (talk) 17:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Donautalbahn

Bermicourt - I noticed that you have started a stub for the Danube Valley Railway (Donautalbahn). I am planning to translate the expansive and excellent article from German, but wanted to be sure that you are not taking this page further yourself. Please let me know if you have no objection to an expansion of this stub. Thank you! Concertmusic (talk) 19:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment on my talk page - the article on the German site was good fun, and enlightening to boot! Concertmusic (talk) 17:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Categories of raliway lines

Hi, it's me again. I don't know if you watch your created pages, so for Your information. I've changed the categories at the Minden Museum Railway, there is a cat for 1m railways = 'Category:Metre gauge railways', and I think its okay to add the German Museumsbahnen in the category 'Heritage railways in Germany'. Have a nice day. Sebastian scha. (talk) 09:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Narrow gauge railway lines in Saxony

Hi Bermicourt, many thanks for improving the stubs about Saxon narrow gauge railways I started! In case you get bored on Wikipedia, there is another candidate :-) Regards from Prague, JanSuchy (talk) 16:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Proper nouns and station names

Guten Tag! I notice you are moving some railway stations to remove the (in my opinion) redundant "railway". Nice work. However, I am concerned that the capitalization is incorrect. All railway stations are proper nouns, and so the full name, including "station" or "railway station" should be capitalized. To quote Proper noun: "Proper nouns (also called proper names) are nouns representing unique entities (such as London, Jupiter or Johnny), as distinguished from common nouns which describe a class of entities (such as city, planet or person)." To quote Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) "For page titles, always use lowercase after the first word, and do not capitalize second and subsequent words, unless: the title is a proper noun." [my emphasis]. I am aware that many railfans seem to not know the capitalization rules; I was for a while also confused after joining Wikipedia, and perhaps the majority of rail-related articles do not follow the rules of the English language. However, English grammar is very clear on the matter, and so are the guidelines. Arsenikk (talk) 10:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Memmingen

Servus! Really thanks for correcting my bad english! ;-) Hope it is not much work for you. --Mrilabs (talk) 12:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Could you help?

Could you please take a look at this user. It is geographically a little out where your are editing at the moment but your subject matter knowledge might help us retain good information and a new editor before it all goes down the CSD-Hell. Agathoclea (talk) 12:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Höllental edit...

Hey there, great job on the Höllental (Hölle Valley) article in English... But how about mentioning that "Hölle" really means Hell, and the himmelreich is, well, "Kingdom of Heaven" or whatever, and the reason is (I think) because of the robbers would rob everybody that passed through that valley, lol... anyway, just an idea... :) Keep up the good work! (I'm the guy that made the Hinterzarten page btw :)) Bupper (talk) 15:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


conversions in BS-daten

{| {{Railway line header}}
{|class="wikitable float-right"
{{BS-header| '''Any RR'''}}
{{BS-daten
|DE-KBS=
|STRECKENNR=
|LÄNGE= {{convert|400|km|mi|1|abbr=on}}
|SPURWEITE= {{RailGauge|1435}} or {{RailGauge|1}}
|STROMG=
|STROMW= 15 [[Volt|kV]], 16⅔ [[Hertz|Hz]] 
|STROMD=
|ZAHNSTANGE=
|NEIGUNGA=
|NEIGUNG= 2
|RADIUS= {{convert|250|m|ft|0|abbr=on}} 
|V-MAX= 
|BILDPFAD_FOTO =
|PIXEL_FOTO    =
|TEXT_FOTO     = 
|BILDPFAD_KARTE=
}}
|}

In this, the English language Wiki, the following is very desirable. The km and mm at the end become redundant. Why not use the existing templates that are template:Infobox rail network; template:Infobox rail; template:Infobox SG rail (with or without | metric = yes); template:Infobox rail line. Also |NEIGUNG = in %, like 2% as is the usage in the USA and Canada, not in "per thousand" which I don't have on my key board. Peter Horn 18:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

See |NEIGUNG in table Peter Horn
I removed a duplicated section. Peter Horn 18:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I took care of this. Please be reminded that in English we use a decimal "." (period), not a decimal "," (comma) i.e. 19.7 km not 19,7 km. Peter Horn 20:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


Bermi, You are very welcome. See Template talk:BS-daten#Conversions & Template:BS-daten Peter Horn 19:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Fixed a box (table) problem. Peter Horn 01:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
At last... this time its OK. Peter Horn 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Small correction. Peter Horn 02:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Re Zabergäu Railway. I corrected the "problem". If there are any others that got overlooked, the fix is easy, it is all in the placement of the decimal point, one place to the left. By the way, JANE'S WORLD RALWAYS which is the Bible of world railroading, gives all inclines in terms of %. Peter Horn 22:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I modified the template to read Maximum incline and %. The "devision by ten" will have to be done manually. Peter Horn 16:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
P.S. the Wiki article is Per mil. Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to incorporate "Conversion templates" and "RailGauge templates" into tables. Peter Horn 17:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Bermi, Nay my lad, JANE'S is British. The address that I have in my 1969/1970 edition is: Jane's Yearbooks (note the plural), 49/50 Poland Street, London, WIA 2LG England. Telephone : 01-437-0686. Jane's, which is alive and well and quite likeky still at the same address, also publishes authoritive yearbooks on other topics such as Warships and Airplanes. JANE'S lists both existing railways by country an sundry railway rolling stock and equipment manufacturers. It also lists transit and subway systems. It is "the Bible" of the world railway industry. For the whole scoop, put Jane's into Google and see. The larger public libraries of the bigger cities in the English speaking word may well have a hard copy of Jane's in their reference section. This tome can only be consulted in situ and not be borrowed for take out. Peter Horn 15:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Bermi, You might consider a "Maximum height" parameter in your template, as is done in Template:Infobox rail line. Peter Horn 21:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Paul, Ditto for "Minimum radius" as I did in Template:Infobox rail line instead of just "Minimum radius". Peter Horn 16:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Paul, Never mind, as you can see, I managed to accomplish this myself. Peter Horn 16:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Positionskarte Deutschland

A tag has been placed on Template:Positionskarte Deutschland, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

Attempt of a translation of a German Template:Location map, already exists at Template:Location map Germany, wrong name (half German), wrong map

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Speedy deletion of Template:Positionskarte Deutschland Bayern

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Deleted templates

Hello! As far as I know they weren't in use. Usually sysops look if something is in use before they delete. Btw, they used templates from de-WP so are you sure they worked at all? A Germany template already exists at Template:Location map Germany, a Bavarian template (if you want to create it anew) should look like Template:Location map Germany Baden-Württemberg. Regards, --NNW (talk) 18:19, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Baden Mainline

{| {{Railway line header}}
{|class="wikitable float-right"
{{BS-header| '''Any RR'''}}
{{BS-daten
|DE-KBS=
|STRECKENNR=
|LÄNGE= {{convert|400|km|mi|1|abbr=on}}
|SPURWEITE= {{RailGauge|1435}} or {{RailGauge|1}}
|STROMG=
|STROMW= 15 [[Volt|kV]], 16⅔ [[Hertz|Hz]] 
|STROMD=
|ZAHNSTANGE=
|NEIGUNGA=
|NEIGUNG= 2
|RADIUS=  
|V-MAX= 
|BILDPFAD_FOTO =
|PIXEL_FOTO    =
|TEXT_FOTO     = 
|BILDPFAD_KARTE=
}}
|}

Baden Mainline Bermi, can you get the box to move upwards? Peter Horn 22:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Bermi, I took care of the gradient(s) in the boxes at the same time that I introduced 1435 by moving the decimal point one digit to the left. So, unless I overlooked an article, they should all read at the correct %. The per mille, or pro mille, symbol is not even available on my standard English language Wiki mark up or insert choices. You may also note that I had revised the box to reflect standard North American, including Canadian civil engineering, usage %. What the Brits and the Aussies do is another "kettle of fish". In any case, pro mille or per mille is unfamiliar to the English speaking world. This also holds true for Mexico. Peter Horn 01:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Sample table added. Peter Horn 02:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Sandbox discussion

Hi Bermicourt, just a quick note that there is a reply over on my talk page. (I usually reply where the initial question/comment was made, to keep the discussion together...) -- Captndelta (talk) 01:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, just noticed that your talk page is a bit broken with that table below, -- Captndelta (talk) 01:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:Infobox German Railway Vehicle

Template:Infobox German Railway Vehicle

Bermi, old chap, you need to be much more, much more, carefull with the links that you created. Examples: Railbuses was Railbuses. Abt, Strub, Cogwheel & Piston stroke was Abt, Strub Cogwheel, & Piston stroke. overpressure was overpressure. Couplers was Couplers. catenary was catenary. All these still need to be changed in the template itself. For example, the links Abt & Strub are not usefull at all as both lead to disambiguation pages. Peter Horn 19:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

My appologies. When I went thru the template itself I only had to make the following two changes: overpressure, Piston stroke was overpressure, Piston stroke. Permit me, however, to point out that overpressure and live steam are not at all the same thing. The former applies to various explosives and the latter applies to boilers, steam engines and steam locomotives. Other terms used in mechanical and thermal engineering are saturated steam and superheated steam. Peter Horn 19:32, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I goofed up greatly, make that Overpressure instead of Overpressure. The former makes more sense. Peter Horn 19:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

The article "boiler pressure" does not yet exist in the English wiki, but I found high pressure steam locomotive. Peter Horn 20:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

gallery

Hi, hab dein Problem mit gelöschten Galleries gelesen, drauf geantwortet (sameuser hat mir Common Kestrel gefickt). Ich übersetz das jetzt nicht, ist zu lang:

In a nutshell (I have just restored some galleries also), a simple misunderstanding.
General policy is that galleries are always inappropriate in short articles ("Wikipedia is not an image gallery"), and in such cases they are best moved to Commons (revamping is only an option in longer articles)
But for longer articles, and to illustrate the text, galleries on Wikipedia are OK "where a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images".
Which - as per "adequately" - could apply here: an overview of the line cannot adequately presented by in-text images due to layout constraints. But the gallery needs revamping: the map as first image is rather nice but might go in-text above the gallery, and the gallery should run from Cologne to Frankfurt Central Station (or the other way around), presenting notable features directly related to the rail line. E.g. tunnels, bridges, stations, but probably not File:Main 08 2006 140.jpg (that could go into a gallery at Bundesautobahn 3 though). And the images should be presented in the proper sequence, i.e. as they would be encountered by a traveller.
As a rule-of-thumb:
Galleries are cool in Wikipedia,
  • if the article is already better than Start-class, and
  • if the gallery content is directly relevant to some text paragraph's content, and
  • if 4 or more images are needed to illustrate a paragraph of text or if for some other reason (e.g. layout) the images cannot be placed alongside the text.
Otherwise, galleries belong to Commons. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 18:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
E.g. Oriental Turtle Dove is what I would just barely consider OK... the second pic is quite useful, the others not so, so at face value it should not stand. But it improves layout quite a bit, so it is more helpful than disruptive. If it had like 3 rows of such images, I would mercilessly <!-- outcomment --> it (not delete, that is too harsh!) and let someone from the Commons crew deal with it. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 20:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


Template:Infobox German location

Hi Rich, I tried to update the above template so it can take account of the latest changes to fields in German Wikipedia (without throwing away the existing ones), but it's protected. How can I get it updated? --Bermicourt (talk) 18:45, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Make a request on the talk page and put {{Editprotected}} there. Or give me a call and I'll look. If it's complex make a Template:Infobox German location/sandboxRich Farmbrough, 18:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC).

River moves

Hi, I see you have been moving several German rivers from titles like "Leda River" to titles like "River Leda". AFAIK "River X" is primarily used in the UK, and "X River" in the USA, Canada etc. There has been quite some discussion about that at WP:RIVERS, the outcome was that both forms can be used, but local usage (in English speaking countries) is followed. The latter doesn't apply here, but since all German (and French, and Polish, and Italian, ...) rivers were at either "X" or "X River", I think it's best to leave it like that. Or discuss it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers. Markussep Talk 20:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure I agree with what you wrote about adjectives. In cases like "Red River" it's clear, but it's not so clear for Athabasca River, Columbia River, Coeur d'Alene River etc. Personally, I would prefer using "X (river)", in order to make it clear that "river" is not really part of the name, but that was deprecated. Markussep Talk 21:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I reverted the moves to restore consistent disambiguation for rivers in Germany, that's all. Do you think we should try to promote "X (river)" for rivers in non English speaking countries? Markussep Talk 17:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Translations needed

Re Rack railway#Germany. Rübelandbahn, and others, need translation from German. Peter Horn 02:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Harzbahn, de:Harzbahn, de:Rübelandbahn etc. Peter Horn 15:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

There are also translations needed for Rack railway#Austria and Rack railway#Switzerland, not to mention Mountain railway#Austria, Mountain railway#Germany and Mountain railway#Switzerland (some railwats appear in both catagories). Peter Horn 14:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

for the fast translation of Deutscher Eisenbahn-Verein.--91.4.1.208 (talk) 19:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Tren a las Nubes

Tren a las Nubes#The Tren a las nubes today. Why run the train for the whole route length in winter and not in summer? This paragraph makes no logical sense. Peter Horn 02:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello, See also Talk:Tren a las Nubes#Strange. Perhaps this discussion should continue there? Peter Horn 16:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Articles on places in Germany

Good work with the various articles you created on places in Germany. Congrats! Just two minor points:

  1. Following a lengthy discussion some time ago, it was decided that {{coordinate}} shouldn't be used and replaced with {{coordinate}}. Please use {{coord}} directly instead. Especially since, e.g. de:Template:Coordinate has other defaults [1]. I took the liberty to revert the redirect at {{coordinate}}
  2. According to WP:LAYOUT, in many cases, "References" and "Further reading" are preferred to "Sources" or "Literature".

-- User:Docu at 10:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Foto aus Wikipedia.de übernehmen in Commens

Hallo, es ist ja schön das du viele Artikel und Fotos übernimmst in englische. Aber schau dir mal den Artikel [2] an. die Bilder sind nicht mehr zu sehen, denn durch das Hochladen heißen die Bilder nicht mehr Datei sondern File. Wenn du weiterhin so vorgehst, dann würde ich dich bitten, bei allen Fotos in der Wikipedia.de die Fotos umzubenennen in File. Sonst sind sie nicht mehr zu sehen. Du zerstörst dammti die Artikle in der Wikipdia.de und ich habe keine Lust alle deien Fotoübernahmen nachzuarbeiten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.37.205.30 (talk) 09:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

This should not be an issue. I copy all images from de.wiki to Commons using Commonshelper. If the software subsequently deletes the de.wiki image without re-linking it to Commons, that is surely not my problem. However I haven't found a single case of this problem, including the one above. Bermicourt (talk) 18:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Translation reference

Hello Bermicourt. When translating sites from other Wikis (such as Ratzeputz), please don't forget to add {{translation/ref|de|Ratzeputz|oldid=....}} to your article. The oldid mumber can be retrieved from the url of the original site's permanent link. This hint at the original version is mandatory for the GNU copyright license, crediting the original authors. Keep on the good work. De728631 (talk) 16:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I always put a tag on the talk page which shows the provenance of the orginal article on de:wiki as recommended by Wikipedia:Translation#How to translate which says: Because Wikipedia licensing requires attribution, the translation source must be credited to avoid copyright violation. The template {{Translated page}}, which is placed on the article talk page, is the recommended way to credit the source of the translation. My bold text. Gruß. Bermicourt (talk) 17:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh, ok. Hab ich nicht gesehen. Gruß, De728631 (talk) 20:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Old house types

Hi' I'm realy happy somebody has done some more translating for de:Fachhallenhaus and de:Ernhaus. I had done some for the Fachhallenhaus but as you may have guessed from the list on the discussion page ran into translation problems. As a suggestion for the english articles I think both are rather house types than styles. Actually both may be regarded as families of closely related types that have been built in many styles over the centuries. Speaking of relationships, it may be of interest, that the Middle German house is very closely related to the south german house types with the southermost examples in some valleys of the Swiss Alps. A better known close cousin is for example the de:Schwarzwaldhaus of the Black Forest between Bavaria and the southern Rhein Valley. But of more interest for the English speaking world may be the relationship to the crosspassage house of England and therefore also to the Wealden hall house(e.g.Bayleaf farmhouse and Pendean farmhouse, for more info on these see Weald & Downland Open Air Museum) house types. As for the Fachhallenhaus You may want to study the discussion page to get an idea of the naming difficulties and relationships of this house type. I was desperatly looking for some publications in english to see if there was some english tradition in naming these types of buildings and construction details as I dont think it good to come up with knew translations for objects that have been translated otherwise in history. If one comes along publications from different time periods one should still easily notice ojects that are the same. Got to go now. --T.woelk (talk) 10:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

The Ernhaus describes the way a house is organized inside. The Vierkanter and so on describes how the yard or farmstead is organized. So there are Vierkanter with the main house being a Ernhouse, Mittertennenhouse or something completely different. Some people use the same term to describe both farmsteads in Austria and Denmark, although the individuel house types included may vary considerably. As for the Ernhouse text, it was largely written by someone from the northern border of its destributation, so a lot of details from its southern variants are indeed missing. By the way the northwestern extend of this housetype is considered by some to be Ireland. (see [3] and [4] As for the railway subjects...the de:Lübeck-Büchener Eisenbahn is the one that build my local line and stations. I remember the special carriages of the de:Doppelstock-Stromlinien-Wendezug der LBE as a child shortly before they were taken out of service in 1977. My main train interest at the moment though are the Wooden toy train and related Plarail articles ;) --T.woelk (talk) 12:59, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Ref: Railbus and Railcar

Hey Bermicourt, greetings, i apologize for not giving advanced notice on changes i´ve made to articles, though, i did briefly and clearly described them at the moment when they where done on both articles and incuded all corresponding links! And regarding said articles I have exposed my opinions and views on Railbus discussion talk page, cheers ∞ Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Templates for deletion nomination of Template:Elkins' Germany

Template:Elkins' Germany has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Classical geographer (talk) 07:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I don't know if you saw this but I think you should consider my suggestion: moving the template into userspace and subst all its uses in. For examples, I created User:Ricky81682/template for my own self and will just subst it in rather than retype all the details all the time. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 17:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

support for FA on German Unification

Last month German Unification was not promoted to FA because, apparently, not enough people had taken the time to read and comment. If I nominate it again, will you read it (it's lengthy) and comment? Auntieruth55 (talk) 16:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I've renominated the Unification of Germany article. Of particular concern to one of the previous readers: Bismarck, and was the text neutral enough. Could you pay particular attention to that? I've also included a section on the rationale about the bibliography and footnoting format (your primary concern) in the talk page. I think we're reasonably good on it. I'd appreciate your support. Auntieruth55 (talk) 14:47, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

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moving to redirects

Hi, "normal" users (like me) can move a page over a redirect, but only if the edit history of the redirect contains only one entry. If the edit history is longer, an admin has to do it. I've encountered 6 rivers so far that I couldn't move, I'll list them at WP:RM when I'm done. Markussep Talk 12:33, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes it would be nice to have admin privileges, but I'm already spending too much time on Wikipedia, so I don't want to be an admin. Thanks anyway ;-) I'm nearly done with Germany now, if you like you can help updating links, or moving rivers in other countries (France, Belgium etc.). When I move an article, I always check for double redirects (and change them if they're linked to from other articles) and for disambiguation pages. Markussep Talk 13:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Unification of Germany

the article Unification of Germany is at FA review. 4 have reviewed it (one duplicate from last time). Would you take a look, give feedback and opinion? Thanks! Auntieruth55 (talk) 00:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

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Rennsteig

Thanks for Rennsteig. Agathoclea (talk) 21:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I am extremely busy right now, sorry - you are right the page is not to promote the articles in question but to record those that are already promoted. I have added the b-class criteria to the WP-Banner - once you hit B-class you can think about GA review and then FA review. As I said I don't have the time to go through the articles in question to see if the criteria are hit. What I can say is that you are producing some fine articles being an asset to the project. Agathoclea (talk) 20:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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Otter Centre

Your article Otter Centre was recently nominated for DYK. However, we have certain minimum standards for a DYK submission - namely in this case, there needs to be at least one inline citation per paragraph plus an inline cite for the hook. Please let us know if you are willing to add the cites so we can process the nom. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 08:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Well how about the statement that it contains the world's only stoat enclosure? Can you reference that? Gatoclass (talk) 07:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi, I wrote a draft for a new WP GER newsletter. Can you ce and add your topics eventually, please? A general discussion is here. Sebastian scha. (talk) 11:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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