User talk:Bobcoiltrb

Story Mound (Cincinnati, Ohio)

Ok Bob, per this here's how Wikipedia works. WP:CITE. WP:VERIFY. WP:RELIABLE. Articles exist because verifiable citations prove a subjects notability. If you bring citations to a verifiable source, a good academic one, we a can address your concerns. Writing "my friend so and so says this shit, Wikipedia is wrong!!!!!" on one of our article pages is not adhering to those policies, and not helping anyone. In fact, doing shit like that is indistinguishable from garden variety vandalism by bored 12 years old in their moms basement. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I'm saying, what if we took every one who did what you did at their word? We have the best system we can for getting around that problem. CITATIONS to RELIABLE sources for VERIFICATION. So, if you would be so kind, bring your citations from a recognized academic source stating your concerns to the article talkpage here: Talk:Story Mound (Cincinnati, Ohio), it will be addressed and fixed. He iro 05:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have written to the National Register of Historic places. I was informed that their citation for this Reference Number 75001436 came from some submission to the Ohio Historical Society. Their record is locked, and according to the source at the National Register, that was done because it is an archive. Even though it is erroneous, the record can't be deleted in accordance with archiving principles. I have written to the Ohio Historical Society, referencing the local Sayler Park primary sources, my own first hand visits to the site, and all the references to the correct Story Mound in Chillicothe, but can't get a reply from a person in charge. At no point have I made reference to "a friend who says this shit". I suppose it is possible that someone played a prank on the Ohio Historical society many years ago. It is insulting to be told that my efforts to correct an error are equivalent to VANDALISM. Citing a living authority in the local jurisdiction is better than relying on a prankster from over a decade ago. I hold a doctor of philosophy degree from a University recognized by the State of Ohio, and taught for 28 years at an Ohio College, and could be considered by some to be a "recognized academic source". The fact that there are no references in any academic works to an Indian mound located in the baseball field at the elementary school is itself significant. At the very least the Wikipedia entry should have some mention of the dubious value of the data it contains. "If no reliable sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." Bobcoiltrb (talk) 18:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have visited the site. There is no mound there. The Sayler Park Historical Society says the WP article is in error. There is a Story Mound in Chillicothe. Perhaps you can think of a better revision. Bobcoiltrb (talk) 13:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NOR. You may be correct, but your knowledge can't be used here. Doug Weller talk 17:04, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the Federal Register.[1]

Doug Weller talk 17:47, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how to use this response page, but found that I could type in the Edit Source tab.

I see the National Register has 2 entries for Story Mound. The one in Chillecothe is correct and the one in Sayler Park is incorrect. I have written to the National Register to see if they will fix their incorrect duplicate. In the meantime, I can share the references that were listed on one of the web pages from Ohio Historical Central. http://ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Chillicothe_Earthworks There are several other websites about the Chillicothe mound that I could include if that would be helpful.

References 1. Byers, A. Martin. The Ohio Hopewell Episode: Paradigm Lost and Paradigm Gained. Akron, OH: University of Akron Press, 2004. 2. Carr, Christopher, and D. Troy Case, eds. Gathering Hopewell: Society, Ritual, and Ritual Interaction. New York, NY: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, 2005. 3. CERHAS. EarthWorks, Virtual Explorations of the Ancient Ohio Valley. The Center for the Electronic Reconstruction of Historical and Archaeological Sites (CERHAS). Cincinnati, OH, 2006. 4. Case, D. Troy and Christopher Carr, eds. The Scioto Hopewell and their Neighbors: Bioarchaeological Documentation and Cultural Understanding. New York, NY: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, 2008. 5. Pangea Productions. Searching for the Great Hopewell Road. N.p.: Pangea Productions, 1998. 6. Greber, N'omi "A Study of Continuity and Contrast Between Central Scioto Adena and Hopewell Sites." West Virginia Archeologist 43:1-26, 1991 7. Earthworks Virtual Explorations of Ancient Newark, Ohio. The Center for the Electronic Reconstruction of Historical and Archaeological Sites. Cincinnati, OH: Center for the Electronic Reconstruction of Historical and Archaeological Sites, 2005. 8. Warriner, Gray, producer. Legacy of the Mound Builders. Seattle, WA: Camera One for the National Park Service and the Hopewell Culture National Historical Park, 1994. 9. Woodward, Susan L., and Jerry N. McDonald. Indian Mounds of the Middle Ohio Valley: A Guide to Mounds and Earthworks of the Adena, Hopewell, Cole, and Fort Ancient People. Lincoln: The University of Nebraska Press, 2002. 10. Lepper, Bradley T. Ohio Archaeology: An Illustrated Chronicle of Ohio's Ancient American Indian Cultures. Wilmington, Ohio, Orange Frazer Press, 2005.

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