User talk:Bonchic
Ronald Davis[edit]
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I deleted your recent article because
- it did not provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. It is now wikipedia policy that biographical articles about living people must have independent verifiable references. As a matter of policy, all biographies of living people will be deleted if they do not have references. Although you gave references, all were to sources either related to Davis, such as Linkedin and the two companies, or to Imdb, which is not accepted as a proper source. It merely confirms the existence of films, not their notability.
- None of the films or companies is linked to existing Wikipedia articles, which suggests that they are not notable either. The films were shown on cable TV, which doesn't inspire confidence. A Google search came up with relatively few hits for this Ronald Davis (I also searched for Ronald Adam Davis). Also see the notability guidelines for companies and for films (you can link through from the main notability page).
- It was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, and contentious content should have in-line references to independent sources. The claim went on to garner over 10 awards lacks such a reference, and we don't even know what the awards were. The company and film names were fully capitalised, which is very spammy, and there appears to have been no adverse criticism of the films.
- The article was created in a single edit without wikilinks or references, but with some strange non-wiki coding. It looks as if was copied from an unknown and possibly copyrighted source. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. I didn't check for this, since I felt that it did not meet the criteria above anyway. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:41, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
RON DAVIS to Jim Bleak[edit]
Hi, Jim
So sorry-did not mean to delete anything. I'm obviously not as proficient with all this as I would like to be I would like to re-submit the page for Ron Davis-I love his film PAGEANT and saw the trailer for another that is terrific. He has won a lot of film festivals, as well and really seems to me, at least to be well worth the proper criteria for inclusion. IF I put it on my sandbox page, does that somehow help? Please tell me how to do this ? I also am not sure how best to structure the data entry for the page. For the main info can I just put
I do a lot of writing for museums and in film. I really do think that this guy has something and would love to give it another shot if you'll help me?
Nancy----
Reply[edit]
Hi Nancy, thanks for your message. I don't watch talk pages, so I didn't see the above. Have a look at Cameron Mackintosh. It's only a start class article, but it gives some structure and shows you how to do references. I didn't want to scare you with a Featured Article level biography! If you do your draft here, and let me know when you are ready, I'll be happy to have a look. Remember that however much you admire this guy, the text must be neutral and encyclopaedic, good luck Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
---reply--
HI, JIM!
THANKS SO MUCH---this is very helpful. I do understand.
So---I'm putting a page up in my sandbox this am for you to look at. I decided to first do a page for the movie itself. I'm still not sure I have the references down right but I'm giving it a go. I have Village Voice, IMDB and a variety of others. If you have time, would be very grateful for any help. Nancy
--PS-- I'm not sure how to upload a photo of the movie poster.....or photos, in general. Gosh I'm a pain. So sorry.
- I'll have a look tomorrow, too late for me this evening. To upload photos, go to here, but note that unless your image is explicitly public domain or your own photo, it has little chance of meeting the strict copyright requirements. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 20:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Jim
Just checking in to see whether or not my PAGEANT page is okay? I'll bag the photo-I'd add cast and crew if you think it is okay.
--- Nancy
NEW RON DAVIS PAGE----
I can add links after you deem whether this is okay, as well:
EARLY LIFE
Davis was born in 1968 in Morristown, New Jersey, the son of Ron Davis & Dale E. Davis.Davis was a competitive equestrian on the national hunt seat equitation and hunter circuit during the 1980’s and early 1990’s. He trained with Michael Hennaghan and Gary Zook out of Huntover Farm in Basking Ridge, New Jersey.
Davis graduated from Kinnelon High school in 1986 then attended Syracuse University. His early career started in sales and marketing in the book publishing industry in New York City, where he worked as a sales assistant at William Morrow Publishing. He worked his way up the industry ladder with sales positions at HarperCollinsCollege Publishers, Pitman Publishing and Batsford Brassey before landing a Sales Director position at Simon & Schuster and ultimately becoming the Vice President of Special/International Sales & Subsidiary Rights at Barnes’s & Noble owned Sterling Publishing.
In 2004, Davis became interested in filmmaking and while maintaining his publishing career attended night classes at the New York Film Academy. His first two narrative shorts, THE BUSINESS TRAVELER and THE GARDEN, garnered him a spot as a top-ten finalist in the 2004 Esquire Magazine Celluloid Style film competition.
Influenced and inspired by the documentary work and careers of The Maysles Brothers, he wanted to create a body of work that looked at the beauty behind the smaller documentary stories. He is attracted to stories about groups that are disenfranchised and/or marginalized in today’s society.
In 2005, he founded Cineaste Productions with HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER producer, Stewart Halpern, where they produced and directed several industrial documentaries. In 2008, Davis & Halpern co-directed and co-produced PAGEANT, a documentary that explored the behind-the-scenes drama behind the 52 men competing for the crown in the 34th Miss Gay America Contest. PAGEANT went on to garner over 10 major film festival awards before airing on the Sundance Channel in 2010 and being distributed worldwide by Wolfe Video.
In 2011, Davis founded Docutainment Films, LLC (www.docutainmentfilms.com) in West Palm Beach, Florida. He has several projects in development and in production, including an HBO feature, which he is directing and producing to air in 2013.
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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]
I noticed your submission in Articles for creation, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/PAGEANT-THE MOVIE. Thanks! It will be reviewed by a volunteer soon.
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Best, ChzzBot IV (talk) 18:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]
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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]
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- Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Aaron Booth (talk) 05:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I have edited your recent AfC submission Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/PAGEANT: THE DOCUMENTARY per Manual of Style guidelines. I am not sure what your intent was with the References section, please take a look at referencing for beginners and Help:Footnotes for helps on how to construct references for your draft. Shearonink (talk) 13:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- I would prefer to keep all these related posts about Pageant together here on your talkpage.
- Referencing is much simpler than it seems at first. First, I suggest you take a look at some Wikipedia Good Articles about documentaries, for instance An Inconvenient Truth or The Most Hated Family in America. Use their structure and coding as examples. Hit the edit tab and see the coding that lies underneath the surface, you can even cut&paste (just) the coding to use in your editing if you like what it does. One thing to think of for references is that you need to source specific statements.
- Secondly, here is a sample of how referencing works:
- What the reader will see:
- What the code actually looks like:
- Bonchic is an editor. <ref>reference BaaBaa</ref> Bonchic is working on ''Pageant''. <ref>reference BooBoo</ref>
- Your reader will see the References section looking like this:
- == References ==
- The coding will actually look like this:
- == References ==
- {{reflist}}
- Hope this helps, Shearonink (talk) 14:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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Aaron Booth (talk) 15:42, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Is this okay?
{AFC submission|d|film|declinets=20120320053550|decliner=Aaron Booth|ts=20120320000923|u=Bonchic|ns=5}} TK PAGEANT Header text Co-Director/Producer Ron Davis Co-Director/Producer Stewart Halpern-Fingerhut Cinematography Clay Westervelt Editing By William Haugse/James Cude Release date December 26, 2008 Country United States Language English [edit]SYNOPSIS= PAGEANT is a 2008 documentary film, directed and produced by Ron Davis and Stewart Halpern. The film explores the behind-the-scenes dramas and realities of the 34th Miss Gay America Contest. Davis and Halpern focused upon how each of the 52 men competing manages to create themselves, without artifice as the pageant forbids any enhancements or surgery. The film’s central theme is the universal desire, regardless of gender to be beautiful, noticed and chosen; and the right to follow one’s dreams. The film went on to garner 10 major film festival awards before airing on the Sundance Channel in 2010.
[edit]AWARDS AND NOMINATIONS 1. Best Documentary at the IMAGEOUT Film Festival, 2. Best Documentary, Florida Film Festival 3. Official Selection, Slamdance Festival 4. Winner, Best Documentary Fresno Reel Pride 5. Winner Best Documentary Outflix Film Festival 6. Winner, Best Documentary Chicago Image Out festival [edit]Praise and Criticism While some reviewers, such as Martin Tsai[1] from the Village Voice felt that the film only skimmed along the surface insanity saying that “filmmakers Ron Davis and Stewart Halpern-Fingerhut's treatment is only skin-deep, eschewing any exploration of gender politics or psychological effects induced by the ubiquitous ugly-duckling-turned-swan narrative “ other reviewers such as Nathan Lee in the New York Times [2] felt that it was “ not without its charm, and it’s touching, in a goofy sort of way, to see how seriously everyone takes it.” Audience reviews were generally positive and Rotten Tomatoes posted an 85% approval rating. [edit]Footnotes <ref2>="FRAMELINE" group=Bibliography> Peterson, Brendan. "PAGEANT". Pageant. FRAMELINE.</ref> <ref3>="CINEMAQUEER" group=Bibliography>Klemm, Michael. "PAGEANT". October Grab Bag: Pageant. CINEMAQUEER.</ref> <ref4>="SUNDANCE CHANNEL" group=bibliography>CHANNEL, SUNDANCE. "PAGEANT". REVIEWS. SUNDANCE CHANNEL. Retrieved 18 March 2012.</ref>
[edit]EXTERNAL LINKS http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pageant/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152834/ Bonchic (talk) 19:31, 24 March 2012 (UTC)BonchicBonchic (talk) 19:31, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
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