User talk:Brooke McEldowney

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Welcome

Hello, Brooke McEldowney! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Wikipedia. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already excited about Wikipedia, you might want to consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor or joining a WikiProject to collaborate with others in creating and improving articles of your interest. Click here for a directory of all the WikiProjects. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field when making edits to pages. Happy editing! — Scientizzle 14:52, 14 September 2011 (UTC) Getting Started The five pillars of Wikipedia • Tutorial • Your first article How to: edit a page • upload an image Getting Help Frequently Asked Questions New contributors' help page Where to: ask questions • make requests Request administrator attention Policies and Guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The Community Community Portal • Adopt-a-user program Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • Resolving disputes Build consensus • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Things to do Be bold in editing • Help develop an article Maintenance • Peer review • Requested articles Join a WikiProject • Translating articles Cleaning up: General • Spam • Vandalism Miscellaneous Categories • Disambiguity • Stubs User pages • Talk pages Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Conflict of interest

Hello Brooke McEldowney. If you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Pibgorn (webcomic), you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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Suggestions

Hi,

I noticed you've had some complaints about some Wikipedia content associated with your comic work. I would strongly suggest that you take the time to contact the Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team with your concerns--they can help make sure any article content you take issue with is dealt with appropriately and with the backing of the Wikimedia Foundation.

Images on Wikipedia are not my forte, but some usage of your comic panels may fall under fair use ruled; more information can be found at Wikipedia:Non-free content. Of course, if you're willing to supply any images with permission, I know that would be greatly appreciated.

We have some guidelines regarding editing with a conflict of interest--it's okay to do, but since it sometimes leads to disputes over content, check out the informational notice left in the section above so you can be aware of the possible issues.

Other information that you may find useful is available at Wikipedia:FAQ/Article subjects. — Scientizzle 15:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Further to suggestions...

One image of Pibgorn, as an illustration, is, I believe, consistent with copyright law in the U.S. Two are not. The inclusion of my drawings in Pibgorn, furthermore, included unattributed interpretations as to the purpose of the drawings. The interpretations were wrong, and betrayed, at best, a careless use of words, at worst, the hobbyhorse of the anonymous writer. In the one remaining image from Pibgorn, the term "sexualization of music" was included as the purpose of my dialogue. That also was not only wild surmise, but was stated without any effort to contact me to check out the assumption. The text in the cartoon is a joke, nothing more, and certainly has nothing to do with the "sexualization of music," whatever that is. The image from Pibgorn is expositional, leading into the story entitled, "Mozart and The Demon Lover." Any further interpretation does not represent my work, and should not be printed as fact, inasmuch as the only fact it represents is the bent of the person who wrote the caption. Keep in mind, Pibgorn and 9 Chickweed Lane are both copyright comic strips, licensed, and exclusive. To obviate my purpose in the publication of my strip and append opinion dressed as fact, speaks without authority as to the drawing, and is grossly misleading. I take these matters most seriously.--Brooke McEldowney (talk) 20:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Addendum

For anybody's clarification, my weensy argument in the posted example of Pibgorn, having to do with selling Mozart, derived from an assertion made back in the 1980s by Harold Schonberg in the New York Times - that performers should not just go out and play Mozart, they should go out and "sell" him (this is all recall, so I apologize if I don't have the words exactly right). I respected the critic, however I intensely disagreed with the view pertaining to musical performance. In the beginning of the story of "Mozart and The Demon Lover," I drew on the gist of Schonberg's argument by showing Drusilla selling Mozart in the only way she knows. Hers was possibly effective sales technique, but still I don't think Mozart needed the help.--Brooke McEldowney (talk) 20:28, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

• Mr McEldowney - thanks for the clarification! I admit I hadn't heard of Schonberg, so I missed the reference. Sorry for getting that wrong! Was the caption (for the other image) "Pibgorn being tortured and violated" accurate, though? If not, how should it have been described? Thanks in advance! 71.254.71.134 (talk) 23:48, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

• Hi Brooke, could you please do me a huge favor and clarify your response a little more for me? I'm afraid I don't quite understand the original infraction here. Fair use clearly states the use of seperate images for reference material on a free forum, as stated:

“quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author’s observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.”

But the Fair Use Act aside, by your own accusation, wouldn't you be under fire on as well? You've published other peoples' likeness without explicit permission, from Mozart's sheet music to Hilary Hahn's name and face. As for the "inappropriate" Pibgorn caption, isn't that precisely what Drusilla was doing? You even mention pelvic thrusts and grinding, as well as other highly sexual innuendo in those panels. My fear is that you have a tendency to behave brusquely towards anyone who adds any edits to Wikipedia different from your own, even when they are correct about something pertaining to your work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rothycat (talk • contribs) 07:16, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not Mr McEldowney, but you should know that Mozart's sheet music is most definitely public domain, and Hilary Hahn's likeness is neither trademarked nor copyrighted. DS (talk) 11:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dragonfly! You are correct, and that's my point. I was curious to know more of the backstory leading up to the whole thing since it seemed a bit hypocritical to question the legality of Wikipedia's use of 9CWL/Pibgorn images in the same context, as is protected by Section 107 of the Fair Use Act. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.87.69.230 (talk) 11:53, 3 April 2012 (UTC)