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Anspach family

Hi I’m just reviewing this article you created. I’m afraid should probably have stayed in draft for the time being. There aren’t sufficient sources at the moment to show that the family as a whole is notable. In addition you’ve listed people in the article who certainly share a common surname, but whether they are all members of the same family is not sourced either. I suggest you either expand the references or take the article back into draft. All the best Mccapra (talk) 07:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mccapra and thank you for your message. Regarding the notability of the family, an article was written about them in the Parchemin, which is published by the Genealogical and Heraldic Office of Belgium which was already cited on WP. I have added an article in the Libre Belgique, one of the main French language newspapers in Belgium which writes about the castle of the famous Anspach family "château de la célèbre famille Anspach". I have also added links to an online family tree that links all the people mentioned. Although the links were already made in the Parchemin article but it is not readable online. I hope it will be enough. Best regards, --Brookford (talk) 15:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks I’ll take a look. Mccapra (talk) 15:47, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

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Edit at Selene

Hi. I've undone your edit at Selene. While what you wrote seems certainly plausible, can you please provide sources? Thanks. Paul August ☎ 19:34, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Paul August, thanks for your message. I have added a few sources. --Brookford (talk) 19:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the sources. I think they are more than sufficient for the identification in the of the two side figures on the altar piece as Phosphorus and Hesperus, although both the Louvre web cite, and Clarac mention alternatives: the Dioscuri (Louvre), and "les génies de cet astre" (Clarac, p. 341), so perhaps the identification in the caption needs to be qualified. Also, of course sources in english would be better, if possible. However, while I don't have ready access to Bouillon, I see nowhere in the other sources support for the assertion that Selene is "most often" accompanied by Phosphorus and Hesperus, is this what Bouillon says? Paul August ☎ 12:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Paul August, Unfortunately I don't have sources in English other than the British Museum one. You are right, that was poor phrasing on my part. What do you think of changing it to "often (or sometimes) interpreted as being..." --Brookford (talk) 12:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I think that kind of language would be good in the caption for the altar piece, but so far that is the only depiction (that I'm aware of) of Selene accompanied by figures interpreted as being Phosphorus and Hesperus. So unless we can find a source for this being a commonplace, I think we need to remove the mention of the pair in the sentence from the body of the article:

"Selene is commonly depicted with a crescent moon, often accompanied by stars (most often two: Phosphorus, the morning star, and Hesperus, the evening star)".

Note also that in that sentence "stars" means literal star figures, not human figures as personified stars, as in the altar piece. Paul August☎ 13:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

above each of these human figures, you can see a star carved, indeed "literal star figures"--Bruxellensis (talk) 23:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Paul August, I have edited the page accordingly. I will try and find more sources to eventually put it back. --Brookford (talk) 13:25, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I look forward to more sources. Also do you have a copy of Bouillon, and can you tell me what he says? If he is just repeating that the two side figures in the altar piece are thought to be Phosphorus and Hesperus, I don't think we need him. The other three sources are plenty for that. Paul August ☎ 13:42, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I unfortunately do not. I copied the source from the Commons page for the image. --Brookford (talk) 13:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

They are not the Dioscuri, because the character on the left is awake and with open eyes, the character on the right sleeps and has his eyes closed, symbolizing the day and the night (morning star and night star). In addition, below the figure on the left is a torch with the flame at the top (day) and under the figure on the right is an overturned torch, the flame down (night). It is therefore unlikely that they are the Dioscuri, gods of the daytime sky.--Bruxellensis (talk) 23:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bruxellensis and Brookford: I've copied this discussion to Talk:Selene, so that we (and others) can continue it there. Paul August ☎ 10:20, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

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@North8000: thank you very much! --Brookford (talk) 21:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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