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DYK for Richard Phelps (bell-founder)

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Dravecky (talk) 03:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Magyar Cserkészszövetség

Thanks for your help, we will improve this article further (B-Class, or more :-))- Yours in Scouting Phips (talk) 21:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

np, thanks for noticing! -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Phelps family

I have once again removed this category from Ken Phelps. I can find no article on Wikipedia for "Phelps family", and it apparently isn't important enough to be mentioned anywhere in the Ken Phelps article, nor on its talk page. Unless someone puts something in the article text, with proper citation, I will continue to remove the category from that page.

On a broader scale, I would like to know what the "Phelps family" is, why it's notable, and how one determines whether or not its category (and, for that matter, any of the nebulous "American families" subcategories) belongs on a particular page. I have asked at the parent category's talk page twice now with no answer. Perhaps you can help me. -Dewelar (talk) 05:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Nice work on the Ken Phelps article! I apologize, I wasn't aware I'd tagged Ken Phelps with the Phelps Family category twice. To answer your question, I did not know a category had to merit Notability. As to the Phelps family, they are many notable examples, including

• Colonist William Phelps, from whom some of the following Phelps are descended.
• Mary Phelps Jacob, credited with the first U.S. patent for a modern bra.
• Maj. Gen. Noah Phelps, who was indirectly responsible for the bloodless Capture of Fort Ticonderoga during the American Revolutionary War.
• Businessman Anson Phelps Stokes.
• Land speculator Oliver Phelps.
• Yale educator William Lyon Phelps.
• Diplomat William Walter Phelps.
• Latter-day Saint W. W. Phelps.

I've created or contributed to these and a number of others.

But no I have not written an article purely on the notability of the Phelps family overall. If you think such an article needs to exist to establish the notability of the category Phelps family, I could begin to put one together. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think an article is necessary. I think a definition of just what is meant by "Phelps family", included on the category page, would suffice. At the very least, one needs to establish how one knows that a particular article should be in the category. I think you'd agree that simply having the last name "Phelps" isn't sufficient. All I'm looking for are (1) something that establishes guidelines as to who is part of the "Phelps family", (2) some proof that Ken Phelps meets those guidelines, and (3) having that proof included in the article with proper citation. Otherwise, having that category attached to the article doesn't really mean anything to anyone other than those who already have this knowledge, such as (I presume) yourself. -Dewelar (talk) 19:05, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, perhaps you can clarify. I would think that any Phelps found on WP is notable, therefore are notable members of the Phelps family. We may be able to say that Oliver Phelps is a decendant of William Phelps (colonist), thereby establishing a particular Phelps family lineage as notable. It is of course not possible to trace the ancestry of many modern Phelps. Their family information is often private, so we cannot say, for example, that Ken Phelps is the 17th great-grandson of William Phelps (colonist), thereby including him as a member of the category Phelps family. Is it your understanding that a specific category named "Phelps family" should only include members of a specific DNA-related lineage? Not sure about the distinction you are trying to make here. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

In short, yes, that is my understanding. Otherwise, all you've got is a list of people named Phelps, who may or may not be part of a family, and in fact may not be related in any way other than the way that all human beings are related. Such a list already exists, located at Phelps (surname), and Ken Phelps is on that list. Creating a category without some other defining characteristic just duplicates that list. So, yes, I agree that it's notable, but it belongs in a list article, not a category. -Dewelar (talk) 21:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Just a tad funny

It seems that you and I are either one and the same, or somehow a pair of now separated but previously joined Siamese twins with a single brain.[1] And I'm a meatpuppet? <sarcasm>Maybe I should never agree with another editor again, or just mind my own business and stick to editing Wildfire.[2] Or maybe you're a meatpuppet and I'm influencing you to edit war-, history-, and scouting-related articles,[3] even though I can't get the boys in my ward's Priests Quorum (I'm the advisor) to think about anything other than basketball and paintball.</sarcasm> MrBell ^(talk) 17:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Nice job on the wildfire article! I was a forest fire lookout and firefighter with CalFire for one year after high school. Almost chose it as a career but for lousy eyesight.

I saw Waraji's (or whatever his name is) redirect from your user page to mine. It's too bad he doesn't choose to use his energies constructively, which has certainly been your and my goal. But we can't be the same person, as I was recently released as Scoutmaster and 2nd Counselor in the Young Men's Presidency. Yesterday they made me Assistant Ward Clerk - Membership. An important calling from the Bishop's POV, which gives me more time during the week to focus on my family and our needs. They actually wanted to also call me as Weblos leader, but after considerable thought and prayer, and I know it's almost heretical to do so, I said no to the second calling. After all, Brigham Young taught "the greatest fear I have is that the people of this Church will accept what we say as the will of the Lord without first praying about it and getting the witness within their own hearts that what we say is the word of the Lord." In the end, my works show what I stand for.

I've pretty much absented myself from WP administrivia I was getting myself involved in. I've been focusing on subjects near and dear to my heart, like my father's 32nd Red Arrow Inf. Div., and the Hungarian Scout Association, which my mentor Béla H. Bánáthy helped to start up again after the Cold War ended. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't consider saying no to be heresy. I think someone (Pres. Young?) reminded us that people in the church are good-hearted and they don't intend to offend, but they just might do just that. My brother-in-law is a second counselor in the bishopric in his ward, but he's 27, has two young kids, wife (my sister) doesn't work, he has to work a lot, teach seminary (teacher flakes a lot), and a bunch of other things. So he's a little stressed. I would love to tell him to say no to some things, but he likes to contribute, even at the expense of his health and sanity. Would it be heresy for him to back out completely? Maybe not.

A lookout? That would be a pretty cool job. I just work at Phos-Chek (I know a little biased) doing chemistry research. It would be pretty dull if I didn't like chemistry so much.

I think one of the greatest strengths of Wikipedia are those who concentrate on what they know, be it copy-editing or article improvement. As for the administrivia, in my opinion it's just an appendage that gets annoying real quick. MrBell ^(talk) 17:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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Waraji?

Seems someone has been visiting. The other day I had a strange request too.[4] Any thoughts? And what's this about WTC and a testimony? World Trade Center? Wu-Tang Clan? With Tons of Chili? MrBell ^(talk) 19:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I have NO idea what it means. He's vandalized my page three times with the same elementary school tricks. I filed a request to have his IP address blocked. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:48, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

TD battalion names

Hi there. I noticed you're writing TD battalion articles - finally, someone else, hurrah!

I'm not so sure about the unit links, though. As far as I know, no other country employed anything named a "tank destroyer battalion", with the possible exception of a loose translation of the German panzerjager battalions, and they certainly didn't have the very high unit numbers that the American ones do. As such, I don't think we need to disambiguate them by adding (United States) at the end - certainly the existing ones don't use this, and it's never proven a problem.

If you do think this is a likely problem, though, let me know and I'll look into the legwork of changing them all and setting up redirects. Shimgray | talk | 21:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. Don't think this will be a streak for me, the 612th interested me for specific reasons. The naming convention is I believe the standard that WPMILHIST project suggests for U.S. military articles. I don't think it matters that other countries don't have them, but I could be wrong. If so, let me now. Doesn't hurt in any case. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Mmm. The standard is to use the pre-emptive disambiguation unless they're almost certainly unique - I think that latter part is what comes up here, because if no-one other than the US used "tank destroyer" battalions then there'll never be anything else by the same name. And since the term was coined by the US, and then quickly abandoned a few years later... Shimgray | talk | 19:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, but why is the main article suffixed with (United States), as in Tank destroyer battalion (United States)? Should we seek concensus or input from others in WPMILHIST? If suffixing the individual TD battalion article names with (United States) is not valid, when I have time I'll undo the (United States) text I added to those links on the main TD article. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Copyright problem: 612th Tank Destroyer Battalion

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I appreciate your diligence in identifying this possible WP:COPYVIO, but you didn't check out the facts thoroughly. This article was heavily based on a document written by active duty U.S. Army soldiers at the end of World War II while on occupation duty. (You will notice that the original article uses the pronoun "our" in referring to members of the Battalion, was written in 1945, and was published in Pizen, Czechoslovakia.) Because the author(s) were federal employees and the work was published while they were in the Army, the work is public domain and there is no copyright violation.

I confess I am just a little ticked by your "Welcome to Wikipedia!" and over-zealously quick WP:COPYVIO notice. With all of your vast administrative experience, you could have taken a nanosecond more before you pulled the WP:COPYVIO trigger to check out the fact that I've written just a few articles on WP and might know the difference between public domain and copyrighted material. I think you were in a bit too much of a hurry on this one—you could have just asked. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:02, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I am not an administrator. My concern was similar to what Moonriddengirl has stated at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2009 March 19—that the work was not in the name of the federal government (why would it be published by a Czechoslovakian). If the OTRS can clear this up, then that would be dandy; however, in that event, the phrases have to be clarified as quotes. In present form, they present the article as a personal journal. Jappalang (talk) 00:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

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Got 'im.

You'd think some dweeb would have better things to do on a Friday night other than hiding behind an anon IP and leaving crap on talk pages. Oh, well.. He now has a new hobby for the next month.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:55, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

In case he comes back under other IPs, I semi-protected this page. Kimchi.sg «C¦T» 03:01, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your assistance! Much appreciated! -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for 395th Infantry Regiment (United States)

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Why?

Why did switch the image on the one man and one woman userbox? Was there something offensive about my image? If the GLBT community have their flag on their userboxes, why not the heterosexuals? I think the flag I created is much better that having the male and female symbols. So could you please change it back to (Preferably) that flag or the two wedding bells that I created.

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I think any discussion of the userbox ought to be on that userbox's talk page, so that all interested parties might partake, and I have initiated a topic there. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

32nd Infantry Division (United States)

Hello. I noticed you were one of the users involved in improving the 32nd Infantry Division article. As a Wikipedian who focuses on US Army units, I thought I would lend a hand in improving it as much as possible. If you need anything, please let me know! -Ed!^(talk) 23:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for offering, and go for it. One thing I was considering was whether to retain the section on the Kapa Kapa Trail march, as the article is relatively long at 87kb -- or should the Kapa Kapa march be moved to the Kapa Kapa Trail or to a entirely new article -- though I don't konw that that would be called. The march is specific to the 32nd Division. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I would say it would be best to move the information. It is most specific to only one battalion from the entire division, and from what I can see, the article on the trail itself isn't very long anyway. Balencing out the space would be a good idea. -Ed!^(talk) 03:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The GA review for the article is underway. The reviewer put the article on hold pending some improvements. I've started to fix some of the things he pointed out, but some of them will require additional verification from your sources.-Ed!^(talk) 18:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Use of photo of dead soldiers for Battle of Buna-Gona page

Hi, I noticed you've contributed to Battle of Buna-Gona previously. I've loaded a photograph on the talk page which I think would be useful for the article, however I'm conscious it may be seen as contentious. If you would like to express a view, it would be helpful. Thanks.--Goldsztajn (talk) 08:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Coats of arms of U.S. Infantry Regiments

Hi, thanks for your input on Coats of arms of U.S. Infantry Regiments. I've posted on the talk page there a clarification of the method to my madness in editing the page. It may appear to be inconsistent to leave some entries that lack an image while deleting others. But, I attempted to leave entries that provided a link to an external site with a COA image. I only attempted to remove entries lacking any such reference. Hope this clears things up. I've gone back and redone the other changes I made but left intact your undo on entries lacking COA images and links to images. I look forward to continuing to work together to make this article even better. Otownfla (talk) 12:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it's a good idea to separate your other edits and the COA deletions. Yes, it may be some time for the missing COA to be found, but I see no harm in leaving the blanks to be filled in. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

No worries on your edit; I know you're busy working on many other articles. I went back and redid the undone corrections. Thanks for your work. Otownfla (talk) 12:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Well done, good work. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

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Hymns

Brother Phelps: I realize that you are related to W. W. Phelps. I've been reading through the hymnal and wonder if you might offer some insight: what does the line mean, "There is no end to race"? 64.244.80.202 (talk) 15:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

504th Regiment merge

You were suggesting back way when that the two 504th Regiment articles need to be merged. I think no one is going to oppose this as this is in line with article naming guidelines, so can do it quite safely...and carefully as the non (United States) named article has many redlinks that need to be fixed --121.217.20.152 (talk) 23:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I merged the two and started adding some references to it. Haven't done anything with the redlinks yet. Please pitch in if so inclined! -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

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He hasn't edited since that final warning, so I have taken no action. But do keep an eye on him. Daniel Case (talk) 18:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Nicholas Upsall

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White Stag Leadership Development Program

Have you considered putting this up for GA again? User:Maunus is a good and fair reviewer. I can ask him to review it. I'm making this our portal article of the month for Nov. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment! Appreciate the featured placement. I actually haven't done much to it since the last GA review. Some of the suggestions would require me make some content available under GPL which I am not willing to do. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

What's wrong with GPL and why is White Stag so protective of the content? — Rlevse • Talk • 15:50, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

It's not the organization, it's me. I'm writing a book about leadership. The GA review suggested, among other things, breaking out some of the content into separate articles, like the leadership competencies. I don't want to go into more detail about the leadership competencies for that reason. I'm certainly open to suggestions. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

A different reviewer would have diff ideas. Ask Maunus what he thinks before you actually do much more work, sort of an unofficial review. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:54, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Maunus' page says he is taking a "Wiki-Sabbatical... a long one." Is he actually available? -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I've migrated about 20KB of content to NYLT and the U.S. Wood Badge articles, along with some additional pruning, to bring the article size down to 60KB. Other issues also addressed. Will re-submit for GA review. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy Btphelps/Archive's Day!

User:Btphelps/Archive has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Btphelps/Archive's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Btphelps/Archive! Peace, Rlevse 01:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

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Wow, uh... gosh, gee-wiz, I don't know what to say. I didn't come prepared with an acceptance speech. A-hem. "Thanks to my mother for raising me up right, and to Ms. Harris, my high school English teacher and advisor to the school newspaper, The Galleon, for teaching me that I could write." -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)