User talk:CanadianMusicFan3

Welcome![edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia, CanadianMusicFan3! Thank you for your contributions. I am Jimfbleak and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Wikipedia:Questions or type {{help me}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Image without license[edit]

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You can't use that image, it's source page is marked © SCRAP ARTS MUSIC 1998-2018 All Rights Reserved . Copyrighted images ares not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that they are public domain. If you own that page and want to use the image, you need to change the copyright on the original page to say it's public domain. Otherwise it will be deleted Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:51, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

COI[edit]

I've deleted the copyrighted image. There are ways to donate copyrighted material to Wikipedia, as described here.

It seems likely that you have conflict of interest, and, if so, you must declare it. If you work directly or indirectly for Scrap Arts Music, or otherwise are acting on its behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all.

If you are paid directly or indirectly by the group, or otherwise profit from its activities, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:CanadianMusicFan3. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=CanadianMusicFan3|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message.

Also read the following regarding writing an article. I haven't checked your text in detail, this is just for completeness.

you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the group, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the group claims or interviewing its members or management. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls
you must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic.
there shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections.
you must not copy text from elsewhere. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. We require that text posted here can be used, modified and distributed for any purpose, including commercial; text is considered to be copyright unless explicitly stated otherwise. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient.

Please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article. You must also reply to the COI request above. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:27, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jimfbleak: Responding to your message Thanks for this very helpful message - I just now saw it. Yes, I need to declare the COI thing - sorry, hadn't realized that. I don't really understand your instructions though. On my user page, do I just paste this? {{paid|user={{Scrap Arts Music}}|employer=Scrap Arts Music|client=Scrap Arts Music}}.

I won't edit anymore until I figure out how to declare that. Thanks again.

Signed: CanadianMusicFan3 CanadianMusicFan3 (talk) 17:01, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Should be

{{paid|user=CanadianMusicFan3|employer=Scrap Arts Music|client=}}.

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:42, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jimfbleak: Thank you very much for this - I have updated it on my user page. Really appreciate your help. Signed: CanadianMusicFan3 CanadianMusicFan3 (talk) 20:46, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilinks[edit]

Please have a look at WP:OLINK re adding links to other Wiki pages. There are a number of things which aren't usually linked; common occupations, countries etc. Also take care when linking, for example, 'Victoria' which could relate to a number of places and a Queen or two. See the disambiguation page. Use a pipe to specify I.e. [[Victoria, British Columbia|Victoria]] and then link to British Columbia (if necessary)... don't use abbreviations for US or Canadian states or territories as other parts of the World are not familiar with the shorthand. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 17:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagleash: Thank you - I will read that page and make corrections. Signed: CanadianMusicFan3 CanadianMusicFan3 (talk) 20:48, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cite web vs Cite News[edit]

@Eagleash:I've read this page, but am still not totally sure how to determine which references to cite as Cite_web or Cite_news. I realize that Cite-news should be used for all non-web related content. However, does that mean that all online content should be referenced with Cite-web? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_web#Choosing_between_ {{cite web}}: Empty citation (help)_and_ {{cite news}}: Empty citation (help) [User:CanadianMusicFan3|CanadianMusicFan3]]CanadianMusicFan3 (talk) 20:52, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that's basically it, cite news for offline, cite web for web content. Some ediotrs seem to prefer to use 'cite news' even for online content particularly if the source is a respected news outlet (BBC or similar); but, as the page indicates, it's not vitally important. Eagleash (talk) 21:59, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I pretty much use 'cite web' for any online content and the website parameter rather than publisher. Eagleash (talk) 22:05, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagleash: Thanks for the feedback, very helpful! CanadianMusicFan3 (talk)

Reference "page does not exist"[edit]

@Jimfbleak: Question re: reference - I can't figure out why ISU Bengal keeps showing up in red ("page does not exist"). I've tried numerous variations on the Newspaper name: The Bengal; ISUBengal; Bengal ISU; The Bengal Newspaper - and none work. Do you have any suggestions? And, can I also ask, how is the page looking in general? Do you have any more tips for how to improve it? Thank you. CanadianMusicFan3 (talk)

(talk page stalker) Not every news outlet has a Wikipedia entry. If you've tried multiple ways of 'writing' the name, the chances are that ISU Bengal is one that doesn't. BTW italics are made by typing double straight apostrophes (') (right hand side of the keyboard) not quotation marks, and should be used for publications if not using a 'work' paramter which italicises by default as does the 'website parameter. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 23:03, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagleash: Thank you! Can you explain more what you mean re: italics? Am I using them wrong? I didn't understand what you meant by 'work' parameter and 'website' parameter - is this regarding a formatting issue with my references? CanadianMusicFan3 (talk)

If you surround a newspaper name with quotemarks (" ") it will not generate italics but merely print out the name and the quotemarks. Thus "The Times" just produces "The Times" but ''The Times'' will produce The Times. As for parameters, I had the impression you had looked at WP:REFB and were OK with referencing. If you have already read that page, please have another quick look at it and if you haven't, give it a longer one.

Refs should be formatted per various templates available. For example, here's one I made somtime ago

{{cite web|author=J.C.T.|title=Les Vingt-Quatre Heures Du Mans|url=http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/july-1977/30/les-vingt-quatre-heures-du-mans|website=[[Motor Sport (magazine)|''Motor Sport'']] magazine archive|date=July 1977|page=30|accessdate=28 January 2016}}

which is not a great example as it is one which has a rather specialised purpose and the author parameter should say |last=XXX|first=YYY (the author's names) and 'website' would typically say 'xxxxx.com', but does show most parameters. You can find a list of templates to use at WP:CITET and it is conventional to use the parameters 'inline' rather than 'down the page' as in the examples. Eagleash (talk) 23:58, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eagleash, thanks for picking this up. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:38, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jimfbleak: Sorry, didn't mean to 'intrude'. Eagleash (talk) 17:17, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eagleash, no I mean that, I'm grateful for you sorting it. the user only pinged me because we have "interacted " before Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:30, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagleash: Thanks for the explanation. I'm somewhat familiar with the references on this page WP:REFB - however, the given examples for website citations don't show the quotation marks, nor the double straight apostrophes (as in your example) around the website title. I had copied the double quotes format from a web citation example from a different Wikipedia page (I forget which). So I'm not really sure what the ultimate authority here is on website citations - whether I should remove the double quotes and not replace them with anything (as per the example on this page WP:REFB or whether I should replace them with double apostrophes, as in your example. I do really appreciate your explanation, regarldess, and realize that I'm probably getting confused because it's all so new.

Further, if you have a moment, I am wondering how the page is looking overall? Do you think it is getting close to being able to submit for review? Thanks again, CanadianMusicFan3 (talk)

Well, as I said, it's not a great example as it's a bit specialised and had to be modified to suit my purposes. Other editors at the motorsport project do it in different ways but that's just my personal preference. The double apostrophes are there in this case to make sure the website italicises (which as I say, if done using the templates would happen automatically). The website parameter would usually read something like |website = xxx.com. Please see Template:Cite web#Usage and look at the first example, for the basic parameters. The way you have done it works OK but ultimately someone will have to fix it... and they may grumble if they find multiple instances of references not formatted correctly. I'll have a look at the page as soon as I can spare an adequate amount of time. Eagleash (talk) 18:58, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok bit of an update: I've had a very quick look at the page (will do more later). It's on the way certainly. I'm a little concerned about WP:NOTABILITY as it's a bit of niche subject and you need to demonstrate its importance, in the Wiki sense of being notable. I.e. there is multiple in depth coverage of the subject in independent reliable sources.
Also I think the refs question has got a bit off-track here. The majority of the refs seem to be OK it was just that the one you raised re the Bengal publication was not done properly... so my comments were really about that one when it comes down to it. (Plus one or two others where the source seems to come via Dropbox)
You might consider adding an infobox; say this one using the groups version (2nd example). Some editors don't like them, especially in bios, but although not mandatory they are preferred. Eagleash (talk) 19:27, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What would really help is if the album they released (Phon) charted on any national chart. Eagleash (talk) 21:06, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Have a read of WP:NMUSIC – notability guideline for musical acts etc. Eagleash (talk) 22:26, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagleash: Thanks so much for your insightful feedback. I've taken some time to look at each note in more detail. It's all very useful (especially the pages re: Notability and reliable sources). I need a day or two to digest and make an effort to tackle each point as best I can in my editing. I'll check back in with you after I've done that. In meantime, please feel free to give any additional feedback that you might have or other issues you notice. This is certainly a learning experience! Thanks again for the help. CanadianMusicFan3 (talk)

Steps for submitting for Review?[edit]

@Eagleash: Thanks again for the feedback (which you gave a while ago now). I've read the Notability page thoroughly (as well as others re: Verifiability) and I understand your feedback that the group might not qualify as notable. However, this is the best I can do at this point: I am wondering if you think it's okay for me to submit this page for review and see what happens? I've done the best I can with the references, information, and sources. What do you think? Thank you. CanadianMusicFan3 (talk)

I think it could be worthwhile submitting it. I'll say no more than that as I am both a new page and AfC reviewer... and I won't be able to review this page as I have contributed to it a bit. When it is reviewed, if it 'fails', the reviewer should provide you with more feedback where they would like to see improvements. Eagleash (talk) 15:08, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagleash: Thank you, I appreciate your feedback and understand your position. It's wonderful to hear that the reviewer might offer more feedback if it's denied. To submit for review, do I simply click on "Submit Your Draft for Review!" button? Do you have any idea what happens after I click that? CanadianMusicFan3 (talk)

Yes, that's all you need to do. The page will then display a review notice (either at the top or foot of the page). The review process is backlogged and it could take several weeks before it is reviewed. The reviewer will move it to mainspace and place talk page banners: you will also be notified at that point. Eagleash (talk) 15:31, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagleash: Thank you :) CanadianMusicFan3 (talk)

@Eagleash: Sorry, one final question! I clicked the Submit for Review button and now it's saying that I need to click "Publish Changes" to submit a new review. But I can't tell if that's only for if I make changes to the page in future? Or do I need to click "Publish Changes" to finalize the Submit for Review process? I just don't want to click something and accidentally revert the whole page. CanadianMusicFan3 (talk)

@Eagleash: Sorry so many pings - wanted to update you: I clicked Publish and that was indeed the correct action to take! Thanks again. I will wait to see what happens :) CanadianMusicFan3 (talk)

OK no problem, thanks. It is indeed submitted for review — I just spotted it in the list... Fingers crossed! Eagleash (talk) 19:07, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagleash: Hehe, thank you!! Yes - fingers crossed :) CanadianMusicFan3 (talk)

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