User talk:Cheaperbydozen

Welcome![edit]

Hello, Cheaperbydozen, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Kerchoonz.com, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted.

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Sandbox[edit]

I've replied to your note at greater length on my talk page (just click on the word "talk" after my signature to get there) and, for your convenience, I've created a "sandbox" page with a copy of the material on your userpage, which is found at User:Cheaperbydozen/Sandbox. Accounting4Taste:talk 19:28,

On spam[edit]

Articles must satisfy a set of special criteria. Namely, they must be written from a neutral point of view, be verifiable, and be cited to reliable source. Pages that fail to meet these standards, especially those on businesses or companies, are likely to be labeled as spam and deleted. Hope this helps, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

sandbox[edit]

I have commented at the sandbox help. ps I have given you back User:Cheaperbydozen/K-box, but don't move it back into article space until you have made it less promotional. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}} I have basically made the article very similar to a sony wiki article that I had found. I've added some more references into the article. I've basically just kept the article to technical specs and the functionality of the speaker and used references for every thing. Do you think that this article can be moved back? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cheaperbydozen/K-box thanks Cheaperbydozen (talk) 12:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would appear that you have already created the article, so I'll cancel this help Chzz ► 14:27, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}} I have found more information today from Music Week and billboard for my sandbox page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cheaperbydozen/Sandbox and I'm having trouble under the Kerchoonz Live section of the page getting the reference to today's music week article to show up in the references. I have asked a couple of editors to look at my article because it had been deleted at one point when I was first trying to work on it. I had found the red references to a couple of subjects on an article that I had edited previously and was trying to write my first articles on wikipedia. So, an editor moved my article to the sandbox a few weeks ago. I was wondering if someone can look at the article one last time before I move it to see if there is any problems with my article. I just noticed that on my other article which is about a related subject, someone has marked it as being promotional and that the editor is perhaps related to the article. I can assure you that I have no relationship to this article other than I wrote it and found it simply because I was looking for subjects in red that I could try to write about and found them on a page about Indiana Gregg. It was frustrating because I had spent a lot of time trying to make my first wiki articles and I felt like I was under attack because I was told that my articles were spamming and I had spent a good deal of time referencing the articles and looking up information about how to write them, how to refernce them, etc. Now, my article has been worked on and I've asked some people for help, but, again, also afraid to move this article because I'm worried that somebody will just delete it and not give me a proper reason for deleting.Cheaperbydozen (talk) 17:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I imagine that you have a conflict of interest with this article? In which case, you shouldn't have actually created it, and in future should not edit it; you could suggest edits in the article discussion page. See WP:BESTCOI for advice on this. Chzz ► 17:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}}I'm confused why I would have any conflict of interest? It's an article about a website. I have no affilation with it whatsoever. I'm simply learning about wikipedia. My field of interest has nothing to do with social networks or audio products. I'm feeling very confused. Basically, I'm simply trying to add a reference from a Music Week article and the reference isn't showing up in my sandbox article. Could someone help with this? I put the reference in, but, the notation isn't showing up. It's in my sandbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cheaperbydozen/Sandbox under the section on Kerchoonz liveCheaperbydozen (talk) 17:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you do not have a conflict of interest, that's fine - I just thought it likely, given the promotional nature of the article.

The reference is not working because the whole reference needs to be enclosed within <ref> and </ref>.. You had this;

...an on-line direct sale and auction section to the site located at http://www.kerchoonz.com/kching

Instead, it should be something like this;

...an on-line direct sale and auction section.<ref> http://www.kerchoonz.com/kching </ref>

Links to external sites should not be within the actual body of the article; they should only be used for referencing, and (in very limited cases) as external links.

This site would probably not be an appropriate reference anyway, however, because it looks like a primary source of information. For more on that, see WP:RS and WP:V.

I will put an explanation about how to make references correctly below; I hope this will help. If you need more help, please ask. Chzz ► 18:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tips on referencing[edit]

There are lots of ways to do this, some are simple, some more complex.

Personally, I like using citation templates, and fill in as much as I possibly can; maybe a bit more work, but I think it looks better. You have a <REF> at the start, then a suitable cite tag, then </REF>. An example usage is;

<ref>
{{Citation
 | last = Preston
 | first = Peter
 | title = D. H. Lawrence in the modern world
 | last2 = Hoare
 | first2 = Peter
 | author2-link =
 | publication-date = 1989
 | edition = illustrated
 | place = [[Cambridge]], [England]
 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
 | page = 125
 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4
 | url = http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=J5nRoaOwkPMC&printsec=frontcover#PPA125,M1
 | accessdate = 2008-05-11
}}
</ref>

For all the possible things to include, see Template:Citation

Of course, you don't have to put everything in, just whatever you can. The above example is a book, but I've included a 'convenience link' to a website that displays it.

Then, at the end of the document (but before any 'category' tags), you need a references section. You just put,

== References ==

{{reflist}}

Hard work? - help is at hand. There are lots of tools that create cite tags automagically. Personally, I use Zotero for the web links, and the cite book generator for books.

I also recommend you look at other articles and copy from them - especially featured articles, which should have good refs.

Hope this help, cheers, Chzz ► 18:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another question[edit]

ok, thanks. I will look at it again. the reference that I made looks like this: Cite error: The <ref> tag has too many names (see the help page). but, for some reason it's not appearing as a reference. So, maybe I need to change something ...oh, that's strange. I copy pasted my reference here and it worked here, but not on the actual page. The way you did it above worked though on the page and the music week article now shows up in the references at the bottom. (I had been just going to other wiki pages and copying other people's references and then inserting the information in the right stops without really understanding how to make references. So, this helps a lot. I will look at Zotero. Ok, so, I need to get rid of direct references to primary sources like the k-ching one. I started a stub about a fashion designer today too. I wonder if it would be better if I put it in my sandbox while I'm still trying to work on it or if it's ok as it is. It's not very long yet. But, I don't know if someone will delete it or not because I'm only just getting started on it. It's about a Fashion designer Hannah Marshall I saw that her name was in red in one of the articles I was reading. It's actually not very easy to find things to write about unless they are in red. Most of the articles I thought about writing have already been put in wikipedia! Thanks for your help. I will try to re-write some of the things that I pulled from magazines because maybe they sound promotionalCheaperbydozen (talk) 20:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In future, please leave me a quick note on my talk page if you have questions; I don't "watch" pages; I happened to stumble on this.

I've made this bit into a section by putting == Another question ==. It helps to keep talk pages more managable when things are in sections.

Copy/paste of refs might not work for several reasons, which I'm sure will become clear if you have a read through that stuff above; if you do have trouble, of course, ask for help.

The Hannah Marshall article looks OK; it's got a couple of decent refs, so shouldn't be deleted. Short articles are fine, as long as they have refs to show notability. However, it's always best to edit things in userspace before making them live. You can make as many user subpages as you like; the "sandbox" name was just a convention. Feel free to make User:Cheaperbydozen/Test, User:Cheaperbydozen/Hannah, User:Cheaperbydozen/Sausages or anything else. The easiest way to make these handy to get to is, edit your own user page, User:Cheaperbydozen, and list them on there;

* [[User:Cheaperbydozen/Sandbox]]
* [[User:Cheaperbydozen/Test]]
* [[User:Cheaperbydozen/Hannah]]
* [[User:Cheaperbydozen/Sausages]]

...etc.

Finding articles to edit - You might be interested in the cleanup campaign, or helping out with peer reviews. You could browse the many projects, look at the newest articles, or maybe just something random. We have a list of requested articles, requests for feedback, and a huge backlog of tasks. Hopefully, this will give you some ideas.

As I said at the top, if you do wish to ask more here, that's fine - but please do drop me a quick note on my own talk page, so I know to look. Thanks, Chzz ► 00:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

about photos[edit]

Hi, just have a sec to reply, you asked at my talk page about something else and about uploading photos. You asked "I guess that it needs to have certain licenses or are photos that are already in google searches ok to use?" NO, google searching or in general most other website photos are NOT acceptable, they are usually copyrighted by default even if that is not explicitly stated. Probably browsing at commons.wikimedia.org would provide you the information you need about photo licenses which are acceptable. If you have taken a photo yourself, you can upload that and release it under one of the acceptable licenses. Hope this helps a bit, keep up the good work! doncram (talk) 01:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]