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13:10, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
Midland Railway station in Bradford
I have seen that many years ago you also got caught up in the discussion of the naming of the Midland Railway station.
I have found some contemporary directories at www.bradfordfhs.org.uk from 1861 to 1917 (Kellys and Post Office).
Also I have found the maps at the National Library of Scotland maps.nls.uk useful. They have OS maps and Town Plans giving greater detail for selected places. It gives the choice of year where they have enough maps.
Comparing maps show development and cross-referencing with directories explains some otherwise uncertain matters.
In 2016 I corresponded with the Midland Railway Study Centre in Derby, midlandrailwaysociety.org.uk.
They were very helpful and photographed an employment record for someone who had been a driver at Manningham. BlueWren0123 (talk) 13:17, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Assorted other sources:
Back Track Jun 2016
Vol 30 No 6
No. 302 Putting Railways on the Map
J. D. Bennett
P372-373
www.pendragonpublishing.co.uk
Steam Days Feb 2018
Bradford Terminii
Andrew Wilson
P13-28
www.steamdaysmag.co.uk
British Railways Illustrated Apr 2019
Vol 28.7
The Midland Way to Bradford
Gavin Glenister
P300-305
www.irwellpress.co.uk
Steam Days Apr 2018
Rails between Skipton & Burnley
Andrew Wilson
P 51-63
www.steamdaysmag.co.uk
Back Track Dec 2018
Vol 32 No 12
The Contribution of Britain's Railways to the Great War
Jeffery Wells
P741-745
www.pendragonpublishing.co,uk
Back Track Apr 2019
Vol 33, No 4
No 336
Advice for Victorian Travellers
Alistair F Nesbet
P244-248
www.pendragonpublishing.co.uk
Thank you, I think. Unfortunately, those all sound like primary sources. Unless any of those is a reliable secondary source for the issue of the station name, they're not usable for this issue - and in sending me to look at Bradford Forster Square railway station you have caused me to realise that eighteen years ago I perpetrated some original research there. I can't bring myself to slaughter my baby, so I've asked for somebody else to trim the section. ColinFine (talk) 14:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
I had not done any checking against your edits, I was just letting you know about sources that had been helpful to me while doing my family tree. I am new here, does your recognition of a problem not indicate that you are free from COI? BlueWren0123 (talk) 19:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
I think removing my own OR would be acceptable, but I don't want to do it myself, partly because it would be painful, and partly because I might not be objective in my decisions.
(I see I haven't updated it since 2006). ColinFine (talk) 20:02, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
I have given it a try. Will my Victoria Embankment Gardens reference 'Stand up' to scrutiny?.
I think I only went to Station once about 1965 to see family members off. Recall style was typical Midland Railway. Had relatives Dudley Hill/ Ilkley / Shipley / Skipton mostly.
Remote connection to Frank Watkinson. Believe he did some building at one of the stations but do not know which. He did not complete work due to financial problems.
I used to have a readers ticket to PRO (now National Archives) at Kew but their RAIL category was not useful for family tree stuff. Online searching now gives too many possibles without knowing just what you want. But it seems that Wakefield may have useful items.
I have noticed that OS maps have Wike / Wyke interchangeably. Census enumerators struggled if not from local area and did not have a translator to assist. They wrote a description of the area being enumerated but accuracy varies.
Have looked at old Acts of Parliament they mention maps & plans but not included. Most are money matters and transfer of liability between Leeds & Bradford and Midland railways. Some are authorization for extensions Bowling area. Hansard is occasional, not searchable and not indexed so just too hard. Gazette could be worth a try. BlueWren0123 (talk) 06:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Welcome to the one hundred and eighty seventh WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter.
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 18,816 last month to 18,845 on 29 October 2023). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 216 is ahead of WP:GM who have 91. WP:YORKS also has the lead in FAs at 92 while WP:GM has 65 out of a total number of 4,866 articles.
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Welcome to the one hundred and eighty eighth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter.
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 18,845 last month to 18,873 on 29 November 2023). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 216 is ahead of WP:GM who have 91. WP:YORKS also has the lead in FAs at 92 while WP:GM has 65 out of a total number of 4,871 articles.
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Happy Christmas
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Welcome to the one hundred and eighty ninth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter.
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (down from 18,873 last month to 18,855 on 4 January 2024). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 216 is ahead of WP:GM who have 89. WP:YORKS also has the lead in FAs at 92 while WP:GM has 65 out of a total number of 4,872 articles.
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Happy New Year
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13:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Tea house question about citability of campaign websites
Hi Colin, I appreciate your consistently fine advice at the Tea house and your willingness to aid new users, but I have a quibble about your response to a user asking about citing a campaign website for statements about a politician. You said:
Wikipedia is not interested in his views, except as they have been discussed in independent reliable sources ... You may use his website for limited uncontroversial factual information
but that seems unduly limiting to me. I would say we are interested in a politician's views, even if they are only reported on his campaign website, as long as he is independently notable as a politician as reported in independent RSes. I'm inclined to follow up and add a comment to that user to the effect that, "Yes, you may use Singh's campaign website to source statements about Singh's political positions or platform, per WP:ABOUTSELF", but you came to a different conclusion having read the same policy I did, and I wanted to discuss it with you before replying to the user. As I see it, you may also use a campaign website, which I assume would be self-published by the politician (or self-published by a campaign committee under his control) because ABOUTSELF says:
Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the self-published source requirement that they are established experts in the field, so long as: [followed by 5 numbered points]
I read "about themselves" as meaning "about Singh" including "about Singh's platform" and "about Singh's opinions", as laid out by Singh or his campaign committee, and there's nothing in the numbered points that negates that. Even a tweet by Singh laying out a campaign position is citable without independent secondary coverage, per ABOUTSELF and WP:RSOPINION, which explicitly allows self-published websites and social media statements about the person who published the material. I didn't want to confuse the user by getting into a policy content disagreement at the Tea house, so I thought it better to discuss this with you here first. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, Mathglot. I can see where you're coming from. I accept that if that material is appropriate to the article, then the self-published source is good enough (from WP:ABOUTSELF; I don't think WP:RSOPINION is relevant).
My thought is not about sourcing, but about what belongs in an article. By your argument, a company's "mission", or "vision statement", if published on its website, could be included in the article about the company. But we don't accept these.
Having said all this, I'm not going to insist on my position, but neither am I going to abandon it. I will continue to hold to it unless somebody persuades me otherwise. But I recognise that others may not agree, and if you give different advice, I will not argue with you. Like many other places in Wikipedia, there's editorial discretion. ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 18,855 last month to 18,943 on 31 January 2024). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 217 is ahead of WP:GM who have 89. WP:YORKS also has the lead in FAs at 93 while WP:GM has 65 out of a total number of 4,916 articles.
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