User talk:DAFMM/Archive 7

P. S. All posts are filled by their starting date (e. g. if a comment was posted in May and finished in July it is filed in May, but the conversation is only filed after it has finished).

Welcome![edit]

Hi, and welcome to the Military history WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to military history.

A few features that you might find helpful:

Our navigation box points to most of the useful pages within the project.
The announcement and open task box is updated very frequently. You can watchlist it if you are interested, or you can add it directly to your user page by copying the following: {{WPMILHIST Announcements}}.
Important discussions take place on the project's main discussion page; it is highly recommended that you watchlist it.
The project has several departments, which handle article quality assessment, detailed article and content review, writing contests, and article logistics.
We have a number of task forces that focus on specific topics, nations, periods, and conflicts.
We've developed a style guide that covers article structure and content, template use, categorization, and many other issues of interest.
If you're looking for something to work on, there are many articles that need attention, as well as a number of review alerts.
The project has a stress hotline available for your use.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask any of the project coordinators or any other experienced member of the project, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome, and we are looking forward to seeing you around! Roger Davies ^talk 01:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check[edit]

Check. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.201.240 (talk) 19:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is Marquess do Maranhao Hereditary?[edit]

Posted to the talk pages of: Earl of Dundonald, Archibald Cochrane, 9th Earl of Dundonald, Thomas Cochrane, 10th Earl of Dundonald and Thomas Barnes Cochrane, 11th Earl of Dundonald.

All,

After some detail research conducted by both myself and mainly Tonyjeff we have discovered that much evidence points to the title not being hereditary. We therefore ask for your advice on the subject as all the articles related to the Earls of Dundonald (etc.) describe it as being hereditary. What do you all think and what information have you got?

Thanks a lot.

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 2nd September 2009.

Nickname[edit]

From: Thomas Cochrane, 10th Earl of Dundonald, talk page.

The lead says Cochrane was kown as "El Diablo" ("the devil") by his enemies in South America. However, this is unsourced and in Brian Vale's book Cochrane in the Pacific: fortune and freedom in Spanish America (page 203) he writes apart from Cochrane's claims there is no evidence he was ever called this. Interestingly, Vale says the only nickname recorded was "el metalico lord" which translates as the "count of cash" or the "lord of bullion". Barret (talk) 18:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I found it on a website about the liberation of South America. However, after searching the internet I can't find it again! I will keep on trying. DAFMM (talk), 2nd September 2009.

I have just found it again here. DAFMM (talk), 3rd September 2009.

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately I don't think the website can be considered a reliable source because basically its just a book review of Cochrane: Britannia's Sea Wolf written on a self published website. Ideally the page number where this nickname is mentioned in the book needs to be provided before it can be included. Or perhaps another reliable source can be found. If a source is provided, it should be made clear it is dubious whether this nickname was ever actually used by his enemies. Barret (talk) 13:40, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok then. Thanks. I will do some more research. DAFMM (talk), 3rd September 2009.

Maranhao Postings[edit]

Posted to: Tonyjeff.

Tonyjeff,

I have just posted this. Please see the copy. I don't think it will help much though. However, it does let everyone know.

With etc..

DAFMM (talk), 2nd September 2009.

Posted to the talk pages of: Earl of Dundonald, Archibald Cochrane, 9th Earl of Dundonald, Thomas Cochrane, 10th Earl of Dundonald and Thomas Barnes Cochrane, 11th Earl of Dundonald.

All,

After some detail research conducted by both myself and mainly Tonyjeff we have discovered that much evidence points to the title not being hereditary. We therefore ask for your advice on the subject as all the articles related to the Earls of Dundonald (etc.) describe it as being hereditary. What do you all think and what information have you got?

Thanks a lot.

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 2nd September 2009.

'El Diablo'[edit]

Posted: BarretBonden.

I found it on a website about the liberation of South America. However, after searching the internet I can't find it again! I will keep on trying. DAFMM (talk), 2nd September 2009.

Statistics Test[edit]

! Admin Statistics

DAFMM (talk), 2nd September 2009.

Statistics Test 2[edit]

! User Statistics

DAFMM (talk), 2nd September 2009.

Statistics Test 3[edit]

|-

! User Statistics

DAFMM (talk), 2nd September 2009.

Confirmed Users[edit]

Posted to: X! (Soxred93).

X!,

While using your edit count tool (Soxred93) I came across 'Is X an Admin' and found it very useful. While scanning over the options I found one that I had never heard of before, 'confirmed users'. Is this related to autoconfirmed users?

Thanks very much.

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 2nd September 2009.

Retired Userbox[edit]

For when I finally get stopped!!!!

Retired

This user is no longer active on Wikipedia.

DAFMM (talk), 2nd September 2009.

First Naval Lord?[edit]

From: First Sea Lord.

DAFMM (talk), 8th September 2009.

Where does the term First naval Lord come from? Reading the article it refers to the First Sea Lord as the job position title, except in one place. What is the story here as I have never heard of the First Naval Lord until I came to this page. Dabbler (talk) 14:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First Sea Lord vs First Naval Lord[edit]

From: Thomas Cochrane, 10th Earl of Dundonald, talk page.

First Sea Lord vs First Naval Lord[edit]

From: Thomas Cochrane, 10th Earl of Dundonald.

I checked on First Sea Lord and it seems to be contradictory, it refers to the title as First Sea Lord being used from 1828 but then heads the section listing them up from 1828-1904 i.e. until Jackie Fisher as "First Naval Lord" with no explanation. My apologies for being abrupt in the Edit summary but it puzzles me as I have never heard the term First Naval Lord used anywhere. Dabbler (talk) 15:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For all that, Thomas John Cochrane's article makes no mention of him being First Sea Lord, nor is he listed on the First Sea Lord article. Lavery and Rodger in their studies of the Nelsonic-era navy make note that there was not yet no established position of 'First Sea Lord' (the term 'First Naval Lord' does not appear). Benea (talk) 16:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't 'First Naval Lord' used for the 'First Sea Lord' from 1828 - 1904? Isn't that what it says on the First Sea Lord article, though I am no expert. With etc.. DAFMM (talk), 3rd September 2009.

The actual quote from First Sea Lord is "The title of First Sea Lord was first given to the senior Naval Lord on the Board of Admiralty in 1828." Thomas John Cochrane does not appear on the First Lord of the Admiralty. He was Vice-Admiral of the United Kingdom. Dabbler (talk) 17:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The list on First Sea Lord changes with no explanation in 1904, having previously stated the term was 'First Sea Lord' from 1828. The First Sea Lord article originally ran as 'First Sea Lords' from 1828 to the present. User:Choess split the article at some point into pre and post 1904 (i.e. around the Fisher reforms) and the title for the pre-1904 post became 'First Naval Lords'. (Another odd split occurs in 1964, leaving David Luce having held the post from 1963 to 1964, and again from 1964 to 1966. Was there a substantive change in the title rather than just the duties, which necessitated him relinquishing and then taking the post again? If so this should be mentioned). While the 'first naval lord' does crop up to describe these individuals and their duties, all sorts of pre-1904 documents call the apparent first holder of the post, Sir George Cockburn, as 'First Sea Lord'. 'First naval lord' seems to be a variation on this, not the official title itself. Cockburn's biography by Morriss used 'First Sea Lord', but 'first naval lord' (the latter only ever in lower case, indicating a description rather than title). Benea (talk) 18:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion would seem to be more appropriate at Talk:First Sea Lord. I think though that the reference to Thomas John Cochrane being Admiral of the Fleet or First Sea Lord or whatever should be changed as he does not seem to have ever held any of those posts. Dabbler (talk) 18:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He clearly didn't, Laughton's entry in the OBND lists all his titles but not the Sea Lord. I'll move the discussion, this has clearly broadened into a wider examination of the title. Benea (talk) 18:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In think everyone seems to be thinking different on this one! Why don't we all go away and do some research and then agree on what we have found. Then we will be able to tidy up all the related articles. DAFMM (talk), 5th September 2009.

Talkback[edit]

For the record:

Hello, DAFMM. You have new messages at Your username's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

DAFMM (talk), 5th September 2009.

Administrator Rights[edit]

From: /Archive 6.

From: User:DAFMM/AdministratorPowers

Please put your name down on this page if you think administrators are using there powers against other users. Are they also giving they're friends a lift up? Giving Wikipedia a community of administrator mates who meet in their local every night to discuss who to ruin next? Please discuss these questions on the talk page and cast your opinion and expierences. In my opinion Wikipedia is corrupt.

Thanks.

DAFMM (talk), 16th August 2009.

DAFMM (talk), 5th September 2009.

Administrator Rights Talk[edit]

From: Archive 6.

From: User:DAFMM/AdministratorPowers

Please discuss your opinions here.

DAFMM (talk), 5th September 2009.

[edit]

From: Archive 5.

DAFMM (talk), 5th September 2009.

From: User talk:DAFMM/Notable Royal Navy Officers of the Napoleonic Wars.

DAFMM (talk), 5th July 2009.

Finished[edit]

From: Archive 5.

DAFMM (talk), 5th September 2009.

From: User talk:DAFMM/Notable Royal Navy Officers of the Napoleonic Wars.

DAFMM (talk), 5th July 2009.

Don't delete it. It has taken me nearly to hours to research and make very efficient.

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 6th July 2009.

References[edit]

From: Archive 5.

DAFMM (talk), 5th September 2009.

From: User talk:DAFMM/Notable Royal Navy Officers of the Napoleonic Wars.

DAFMM (talk), 5th July 2009.

Please can you help me add references to this article as I have run out of time!

With compliments (again!).

DAFMM (talk), 6th July 2009.

Copy 1[edit]

From: Archive 5.

DAFMM (talk), 5th September 2009.

From: User talk:DAFMM/Notable Royal Navy Officers of the Napoleonic Wars.

DAFMM (talk), 5th July 2009.

This article lists notable officers that served in the Napoleonic Wars (1803-1815) in the Royal Navy.

They are ordered by immediate rank (eg. Admiral and Vice Admiral not Vice Admiral of the Red and Vice Admiral of the White) and then by surname.

Officers with flag ranks[edit]

From: Archive 5.

DAFMM (talk), 5th September 2009.

From: User talk:DAFMM/Notable Royal Navy Officers of the Napoleonic Wars.

DAFMM (talk), 5th July 2009.

Admiral of the Fleet Sir Peter Parker, 1st Baronet (promoted to Admiral of the Fleet in 1799)
Admiral of the Fleet John Jervis, 1st Earl of St Vincent (made Admiral of the Fleet in 1801)
Admiral Sir George Cockburn, 10th Baronet (later Admiral of the Fleet, Rear-Admiral of the United Kingdom and First Sea Lord and was also active in War of 1812)
Admiral Sir William Cornwallis (later Admiral of the Red and Vice Admiral of the United Kingdom)
Admiral George Elphinstone, 1st Viscount Keith (retired as Admiral of the Red)
Admiral John James Gambier, 1st Baron Gambier (later promoted to Admiral of the Fleet)
Admiral Edward Pellew, 1st Viscount Exmouth (later Vice Admiral of the United Kingdom and Admiral of the Red)
Admiral James Saumarez, 1st Baron de Saumarez (later Admiral of the Red, General of Marines and Vice Admiral of the United Kingdom as well as Commander-in-Chief of the Baltic Fleet)
Admiral Sir Edward Thornbrough (retired as Admiral of the White)
Vice Admiral Sir Alexander Forrester Inglis Cochrane (acted as Commander-in-Chief of the British Fleet and retired as Admiral of the White in 1824)
Vice Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood, 1st Baron Collingwood (died with the rank of Vice Admiral of the Red in 1810)
Vice Admiral Eliab Harvey (promoted to full admiral in 1819, knighted in 1825 and retired as Admiral of the White)
Vice Admiral Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson, 1st Duke of Bronté (died in 1805 with the rank of Vice Admiral of the White)

Officers with non-flag ranks[edit]

From: Archive 5.

DAFMM (talk), 5th September 2009.

From: User talk:DAFMM/Notable Royal Navy Officers of the Napoleonic Wars.

DAFMM (talk), 5th July 2009.

Captain Thomas Cochrane, 10th Earl of Dundonald, 1st Marquess do Maranhão (later Admiral of the Red and Rear Admiral of the United Kingdom aswell as leading other navies through their countries liberation including being Vice Admiral of Chile and Admiral of the Greek Fleet)
Captain Thomas Masterman Hardy, 1st Baronet (died in 1839 as Vice Admiral of the Blue, he also was the Governor of Greenwich Hospital, First Naval Lord (1830 - 1834) and was knighted)
Captain Sir Frederick Lewis Maitland (retired in 1839 as Rear Admiral of the Red and knghted (K.C.B.))
Commander Frederick Marryat (retired as captain in 1829 and was later a successful author, as well as the inventor of the lifeboat)

Heroism[edit]

From: Francis Drake.

Isn't it ridiculous how everyone is against slavery and yet admire a greedy slave trader like Drake?!!!

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 6th September 2009.

Nominations open for the Military history WikiProject coordinator election[edit]

The Military history WikiProject coordinator selection process has started; to elect the coordinators to serve for the next six months. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 (UTC) on 12 September!
Many thanks, Roger Davies ^talk 04:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates for WikiProject History[edit]

Posted to: User talk: Roger Davies.

Roger Davies,

Do you need a coordinator or someone to help with vandalism etc.? As you can see from my record (in my talk page's archives) I don't mind making a name for myself or causing temper on both sides! If you need anyone to take the risks I don't mind doing it!

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 8th September 2009.

Thanks for the message but that's more of an administrator role. Roger Davies ^talk 17:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. DAFMM (talk), 12th September 2009.

Stub[edit]

Moved: Talk: First Sea Lord.

DAFMM (talk), 8th September 2009.

Is this article really a stub? Perhaps not a complete article.... but a stub? Seems worse the article has 3 stub notices Wendell 06:04, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bias[edit]

Posted to: User: Toddy1.

I see you have not responded.

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 11th September 2009.

Hi![edit]

Posted to: User: Tonyjeff.

Just wondering how everything is and if anything has happened on the Marquess front. It doesn't seem to be particulary well documented, does it?!!!!

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 11th September 2009.

Cheers, DAF!!

Nothing new in the front... No one answered my messages in the different peer sites. Did you contact the Clan??

Since I talked to you last time, I have not yet contact some genealogists and monarchists here in Brazil, due to some priorities of mine -- but I do will contact them.

The only thing well documented is how Brazilian titles worked in 19th century, as I showed in the previous discussion. In the absence of a specific rule, I think we should adopt the general rule: titles were not hereditary.

All the best. --Tonyjeff (talk) 13:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply:

Thanks and I agree about the general rule. I retrieved this page which contains The Earl of Dundonald's address who I will probabley write to out of interest [1]!!!. It should get to him if we expand it! Thanks. DAFMM (talk), 14th September 2009.

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLII (August 2009)[edit]

The August 2009 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 19:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Military history coordinator elections: voting has started![edit]

Voting in the Military history WikiProject coordinator election has now started. The aim is to elect the coordinators to serve for the next six months from a pool of sixteen candidates. Please vote here by 23:59 (UTC) on 26 September!
For the coordinators, Roger Davies ^talk 22:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiBirthday[edit]

I saw from here that it's been exactly one year since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply:

Entitled 'Wikibirthday'.

Thanks.

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 20th September 2009.

'Retirement'[edit]

I have decided to take a break from Wikipedia. Despite enjoying it I may never come back, it will be one of them things you never bother about!

Will it be noticed?

As they say 'veni, vidi, vici'!!!

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 20th September 2009.

'Retirement'[edit]

Posted to: User: Tonyjeff.

I have decided to take a break from Wikipedia. However, if I come back you will be the first to know! I will keep on searching about the Marquess do Maranhao and will contact your talk page if I find anything.

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 20th September 2009.

Last Edit[edit]

Anyone who takes editting Wikipedia seriously is an idiot with nothing else to do. It is a boy's play game.

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 20th September 2009.

what???[edit]

Are you damn crazy?? Please, keep in touch! As soon as I have some news about the research, I tell you in your talk page. Godspeed! --Tonyjeff (talk) 11:33, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply:

I couldn't resist coming back! I have just got a bit board of making edits to be moaned at by some 'important' idiot who thinks they are more clever than an Oxford don ('Wikipedia is corrupt'!)! I will stay on so that we can keep in touch and so I will stay active on the project as a matter of interest to me personally. I won't be making any article edits. As I said: 'I am retired'!!!

With compliments.

DAFMM (talk), 23rd September 2009.

P. S. I thought I would be banned after trying something out that the others wouldn't like!