User talk:Danggoshdarn

Hi

April 2017

Hi, I reverted your change of nationality for Antonio Margarito. Please see the article's talk page for a discussion of Margarito's nationality. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 11:03, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that's why I made the change. My edit is clearly sourced on the talk page with the LA times article. Please take another look. --

I would like to invite you to take another look. The LA Times calls him "The Mexican boxer" in the second paragraph of this article (same as on the talk page). Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 14:40, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

It says he has an american passport and was born in the us of a. It could not be more clear. You just have to read the whole article, not stop on the second paragraph. Reading is essential for you to make the proper edits. ;)

Here it is, "And even after Margarito, a U.S. citizen with an American passport, changes his address, that's likely to remain the same." It's specifically referring to nationality and not ethnicity. Do you have a source that says he was born in Mexico AND / OR has a Mexican Passport? Danggoshdarn (talk) 16:14, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

That quote does *not* exist in the linked LA Times article. Are you reading a different article? It does, however, have the following quote:

Margarito "is 100% Mexican and he'll continue to be 100% Mexican."

Cheers--SVTCobra (talk) 00:05, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Page two, http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/23/sports/sp-margarito-mosley23/2. You apparently don't have any proof of a passport or that he was born in Mexico. You are confusing ethnicity with nationality. I certainly agree that he is mexican american or mexican by ethnicity, but not by nationality. He was born in the united states, lives in the united states, trains in the united states, and holds a passport from the united states.

No, I am not confusing nationality with ethnicity. Neither Mexican nor American is an ethnicity. I will give you a very personal example: My sister is born in the United States; she holds a US passport. However, she is a national of Denmark, not America.

Also, the quote you are citing (found the link to page 2, thanks), is not referring to his nationality, it is referring to the fact that his Mexican fans will continue to support him, despite moving, "joining an exodus of Mexican athletes and entertainers who have sought safety in the U.S.?" as the article states earlier. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 00:19, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

What? He has an American Passport, that is proof of american citizenship. How is that not his nationality? Just prove that he has a Mexican passport, I bet you can't do it.

Prove he doesn't have Mexican citizenship. You need to look at national identity. Also, you are claiming he "currently" lives in San Diego based on a 7 year old article.SVTCobra (talk) 21:32, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't, and will never have to, prove a negative. Thanks. 01:43, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

You'd be right, if I were asking you to prove that he's not Santa Claus. However, every source refers to him as being a Mexican national, as well as his entry at every major boxing organization. You are trying to prove that counter to all those sources, that Margarito is American and American only just because he has an US passport and was born in California. Why is he not a dual national, at a bare minimum? --SVTCobra (talk) 15:32, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm Oshwah. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Antonio Margarito, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:16, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

The source is in the article, on the article talk page, on this page, and now on your talk page. From the la times, "And even after Margarito, a U.S. citizen with an American passport, changes his address, that's likely to remain the same." Danggoshdarn (talk) 23:25, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

The thing that's like to remain the same in your quote is that he remains Mexican. I don't know why you keep citing that particular quote when it goes to prove that his national identity is Mexican. --SVTCobra (talk) 12:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Margarito, a U.S. citizen with an American passport Danggoshdarn (talk) 12:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

So what????? Like I told you before, my sister is a U.S. citizen with an American passport, yet she is a Danish national. The article you are citing repeatedly says that Margarito is Mexican. --SVTCobra (talk) 17:52, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Where in the article does it specifically say he is a "Mexican National", "Mexican Citizen", has a Passport from Mexico, or was born in Mexico? Just quoting someone calling him "Mexican" is not an equivalent source to any of those things I mentioned. Danggoshdarn (talk) 17:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

It's not just quoting some random person. The author of the article spoke to Margarito himself, as well as, his wife, his promoter, and his manager. Why are you being so obtuse? Is it deliberate? --SVTCobra (talk) 18:15, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Come on, seriously. Just find a decent source. Danggoshdarn (talk) 18:17, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

WBO, WBC, IBF, BoxRec. --SVTCobra (talk) 19:04, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

I can wait...Danggoshdarn (talk) 19:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

WBO rankings. Enter March 2017 and you'll see Margarito as the 9th ranked Jr. Middleweight and from Mexico Mexican (edit). WBC former champions Page 25 of the PDF. IBF ratings, page 2 of PDF, #5 Welterweight. BoxRec profile. In other words, if Margarito was an Olympic boxer, he'd be on the Mexican team. --SVTCobra (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

From Mexico or from California? Because he was born in California. Please find a source that says is a "Mexican National", "Mexican Citizen", has a Passport from Mexico, or was born in Mexico. I'm not sure why you aren't getting this? Danggoshdarn (talk) 21:07, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

You are the one that is not getting it!!! We don't need his passport to establish nationality. I shouldn't have said "from" as the source doesn't use that word. The source mentions his nationality as it does for all the boxers. --SVTCobra (talk) 21:18, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

You haven't established nationality. Thanks. Danggoshdarn (talk) 16:32, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I didn't, because BoxRec, WBO, IBF, WBC and the LA Times all established nationality as Mexican. If I established it, it'd be original research. Thanks. I am initiating an RfC, so you may want to comment once that is up. Cheers,

I'm sure you'll write it up fair and impartially. Good luck. Danggoshdarn (talk) 18:12, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I tried. When it came to my opinions, they are segregated into a section for a statement by me. Feel free to add your side of the story. --SVTCobra (talk) 18:43, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Margarito

Greetings! My edit to the infobox was absolutely not meant to be malicious or to go against the RfC outcome—I'm as happy as anyone to see the lead section finally agreed upon. It's just that I know I've seen it somewhere before (the amount of WP:BLP MOS'es are often impossible to sift through) that within infoboxes, a combined term like Mexican-American should be separated with line breaks.. or something like that; I've never seen "[Nationality]-[Nationality]" in any other sports infoboxes. But as you pointed out with this edit, it's probably better omitting the field altogether in order to avoid drive-by edits anyway. No problem. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:30, 30 June 2017 (UTC)