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Happy editing! Selfstudier (talk) 22:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier why are you deleting my talk comments which are factual and reliably sourced and/or contributing to discourse on the lack of clarity or appearance of bias on the Arab-Israeli conflict? I'm happy to converse on why my recommended edits are valid, as well as the sources. Unless you can articulate a valid reason, I am going to request a dispute resolution. DanielMesh (talk) 13:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per the above notices and WP:ARBECR, your edits in the topic area are confined to edit requests only. Selfstudier (talk) 14:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier Were they not edit requests in the talk areas of the articles? DanielMesh (talk) 15:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier "The exception to this rule is that you may request a specific change to an article on the talk page of that article or at this page." Does this not apply to my edit requests or recommendations for edits? DanielMesh (talk) 15:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As explained in WP:ARBECR, you need to follow WP:EDITXY format (essentially, change X to Y and provide sources as appropriate and any request should be straightforward). Selfstudier (talk) 15:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier See my comment you deleted below that recommended removing the quote being discussed entirely that you deleted:

Private Palestinian Arabs did not own 95% of the territory of Mandatory Palestine, see: Government of Palestine, Survey of Palestine, 1946, British Government Printer, Section 5. "Public Lands of Palestine. 257" at https://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/A-Survey-of-Palestine/Story6696.html and also Acquisition of Land in Palestine, United Nations, New York, 1980 at https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208638/. There is no basis in fact to support the claim that 95% of all the lands of Mandatory Palestine were owned by private Palestinian Arabs or Arab farmers. Recommend removing this quote altogether as it is not accurate. DanielMesh (talk) 17:54, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier You also deleted my comment regarding the use of a misleading figure and bias source. My recommendation was assumed: delete or modify the figure or source.

Following this section, the figure entitled "Land Ownership of Palestine (in square kilometres) on 1 April 1943" further misleads the reader by stating 24,670.46 km2 of land consisted of "Arab / non-Jewish Ownership". This is a misleading category as Arab ownership is combined with public ownership. Likewise, the source for this article is http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Articles/Story1000.html, a non-neutral, credible, or academic source. DanielMesh (talk) 20:13, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are missing the point, you are not permitted to engage in discussions at all, you may only file uncontroversial edit requests as I have outlined. ie Open a new section on a talk page titled edit request or similar (or use the template), specify X change to Y + source and some one will deal with the request (or I might if I notice it). Selfstudier (talk) 17:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier I’m not missing the point. The edits I recommended are not controversial and are a neutral point of view. I even provided neutral sources. You, on the other hand, did not. You appear to be heavily invested in the Arab-Israeli conflict and asserting bias—to what end, I don’t know, but you’re not living up to Wikipedia guidelines and standards. You even cited “palestineremembered”, a wholly biased source, to defend your edits—it’s even cited. What are you doing? DanielMesh (talk) 00:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This conversation is concluded. Please remember to comply with WP:ARBECR. Selfstudier (talk) 02:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier No, the conversation is not concluded. As I said earlier, I will be requesting a dispute resolution as well as submitting other concerns regarding your behavior on the Arab-Israeli conflict and associated pages. DanielMesh (talk) 13:09, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]