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Precious anniversary

A year ago ...
"people are more important
than Wikipedia"
... you were recipient
no. 2216 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

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DanTDM Spanish revert

Hello there. I noticed that you reverted my edit which was a Spanish translation of the picture caption of Dan. Why was this??? I fixed the "I like cheese" thing but it got reverted. So why the Spanish translation? DSXG Plays (talk) 22:25, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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Draft:Renaldo Gouws

You posted

  • Comment: I have raised issues of conflicts of interest, paid editing, and whether only one person use this account on the editor's talk page (diff). These should be addressed before this page is accepted, as the answers will determine which, if any, templates like {{connected contributor}} or {{connected contributor (paid)}} are applied to the talk page of the article once it is accepted. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:17, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: Please note that this editor created a substantially similar article on the Simple English Wikipedia. It was deleted through that Wikipedia's equivalent of WP:Articles for deletion. An external web site purports to hold a copy of this version.[58]. Before this page is moved to the main encyclopedia, reviewers should look at the deletion log of Draft:Renaldo Gouws (here). If possible, ask an administrator to look at the old versions to see if they need to be history-merged into this one. If the content is completely different OR the only substantial editor is South African Influencer then a history merge is not required. Otherwise, it MAY be required for attribution purposes. Note that the purported copy of the version on the Simple English Wikipedia was created almost entirely by this editor (edit history). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

My response to the questions are as follows:

  • Comment: I am the creator of this article recommendation as I have been tasked to set up our political party leadership positions. It is a non-paying position (I saw that it was asked by Davidwr in a comment below). This is the first experimental one to see if the neutral way of speaking on the candidate would be able to avoid any concerns on whether or not it reads as spam or advertising. The aim is to create more articles of senior leaders on here considering the South African history and political landscape is very diverse. The previous concerns raised in the comments below are valid regarding the previous article suggestion a year ago but the biggest problem was the lack of references which as you can see many have been provided for which wasn't previously the case. Secondly, since the last submission the person has been elected into senior positions within the party. Which he wasn't when the previous one was submitted and which was the biggest concern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by South African Influencer (talkcontribs) 15:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC) South African Influencer (talk) 21:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
@South African Influencer: I saw this a few days ago on the draft article. You clearly have a conflict of interest and should tread carefully. It is much harder to maintain a neutral point of view when you have some relationship with the subject or writing about the subject is one of your responsibilities. Consider talking to fellow editors at WP:WikiProject South Africa. In any case, using the WP:Articles for creation process rather than editing the main encyclopedia is the right thing to do when it comes to things that are "part of your job" - meaning things you "have been tasked with" - even if that task is unpaid. For example, I rarely write about companies I've worked for, schools I've attended, or sports teams or movies that I really like because it is harder for me to stay objective. I can do it, but it's easier to write about things I don't already have an emotional feelings about. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:36, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
@Davidwr: Thank you for the feedback. I don't know the person personally. I understand what you are saying but just to clarify I am writing about leaders from ALL political parties in Nelson Mandela Bay. The focus is on Nelson Mandela Bay the metropolitan and it's politicians that aren't featured on Wikipedia as much as other metros in South Africa. I hope that clarifies it and thank you once again for the feedback. South African Influencer (talk) 15:42, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Appreciation for your contribution on Draft:Ipo Arakeji

Hello User:Davidwr Thank you for your efforts so far concerning the article in trying to work on. Kindly assist me in getting it to a Wikipedia main space worthy stage please. Thank you Anonymoussix (talk) 00:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Anonymoussix: My time on Wikipedia is limited and erratic. I see you are already reaching out to WikiProject Nigeria. They should be able to help. The Wikipedia Teahouse is also a good place to get help.
If you familiarize yourself with the Five Pillars of Wikipedia and Wikipedia's policies and guidelines you are more likely to pick topics which qualify for articles and more likely to be able to include suitable references. Also, read What Wikipedia is not. This will save you time by showing you what topics to avoid writing about. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:06, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
@Davidwr: Thank you so much, you're doing a really great job! I await their response but I don't know how soon I'll get a response. However, I don't know how this will sound, but I will really like to know the possibility of you assisting with that same topic Ipo Arakeji please. I will really like an article on it to be created and I want you to help out with it based on the information I've provided there so far. Kindly look for a way to assist me please, I will be very grateful if you can, please. I'm still very new to Wikipedia. Also, I'm trying to write an article on Seax Penz, it has been deleted about some hours ago, kindly help look into it also please. Thank you very much, you have a new fan here, lol Anonymoussix (talk) 01:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
@Anonymoussix: I don't have the time or expertise to give you all the assistance you need. I can tell you that Seax Penz was not deleted, simply moved to Draft:Seax Penz. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:37, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

"Welch language" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Welch language. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 10#Welch language until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:50, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Davidwr. I saw the edit you did relating to WP:DISPLAYTITLE, but i don't understand. I didn't use DISPLAYTITLE (maybe it was done automatically). I am relatively a newbie. I initially changed the title by moving the page, from "Polycarpos Georkadjis" to "Polycarpos Georkatzis" (the current version). I then noticed that there were additional spelling errors that i overlooked, and tried moving the page to change the title a few minutes after the aforementioned move, but i got the following message.

The page could not be moved, for the following reason: The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask for the page to be moved. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text.

Can you help? The correct title would be Polykarpos Giorkatzis. Demetrios1993 (talk) 03:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Only administrators and a few others can move a page over an existing page unless the existing page 1) is a redirect to the page you are moving from, and 2) the page you are moving to has only 1 edit in its page history. In other words, if Polykarpos Giorkatzis had had only 1 edit in its page history instead of 3, you would have been able to do the move yourself. See WP:MOVE for details.
The place to request a move is at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Before you request the move, read Wikipedia:Article titles#Foreign names and anglicization and Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names. If you are 100% sure that Polykarpos Giorkatzis is the correct title - meaning that it is the most common transliteration for this individual - and can back it up with clear and convincing evidence if someone disagrees, make the request at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting technical moves. If you aren't 100% sure, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
@Demetrios1993: Here is the edit where you added {{DISPLAYTITLE:Polykarpos Giorkatzis}}. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Davidwr. The change i am suggesting is actually legit. You can see the English version of the name in this following source (do a word search to find the name), http://rulers.org/cyprgov.html. I am little confused with what is described in Wikipedia:Requested moves. Yesterday i asked someoneone i know whether he can help with the request, still waiting for his answer. Demetrios1993 (talk) 04:14, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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Note to collaborators

@Jon698 and Pennsylvania2: Please hold off on changing List of Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign endorsements and List of Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign endorsements from organizations I'm trying to do things that affect the entirety of both articles. I should be done enough to remove the {{inuse}} template in 1-2 hours. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Jon698 and Pennsylvania2: I've removed {{inuse}} from the main page, I'm still working on the spin-off page. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
@Jon698 and Pennsylvania2: I've removed both {{inuse}} templates. I'm still doing some tidying up, but that will be on a section-by-section basis so I'm not too worried about edit conflicts. If I need to edit a particular section for awhile, I will tag it with {{inuse|section}}. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
ty for the compliments!

i may stay on wikipedia longer bc of people like u. ~Wandering Green User~ 18:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for re-posting that template on the other page. Sorry for stepping on any toes. I know it looks like I just dived in out blue on this: I saw the question get posted last night, and looked into it straight away, but I refrained from answering because I'd already answered a couple of q's and didn't want to hog the answering and cause edit conflicts.

Basically i screwed up and then did a bungled job of patching everything up. I hope you understand what I'm saying lol. All the best, Zindor (talk) 17:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Once I figured out you were talking about this things fell into place. Thanks for cleaning up after yourself. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:16, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

27 September 2020

Thank you for your quick response Davidwr, and for the general answer, which I was looking for, to Examples of Excellent Pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamich3 (talkcontribs) 20:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

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Admin help

I need to report a issue with the edit filter with security implications, so I am reluctant to just "post" it on Phabricator. Hopefully, it's an en-wiki configuration issue that can be fixed without opening a Phabricator ticket. If an administrator who can see the non-public parts of the edit filter configuration can let me know how to report this, please reply here or drop me an email. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I'll look at this. Send me an email with the details. Alternatively, if you're pretty sure it will need a change from the developers/sysadmins, you can report it as a security issue on Phabricator, which will hide it from the public. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:40, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
@Jackmcbarn: Done. You've got mail. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Replied. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Latest draft of Wibbitz Wikipedia page

Error in Template:Reply to: Username not given.

Hi davidwr!

I'm Sarah, the author of the Wibbitz Wikipedia page that was recently rejected.

I believe that I reviewed (and closely followed) all the guidelines that Wikipedia around has provided, made it clear that I am being paid by the company, and only provided independent and reliable sources from publications that are unaffiliated with Wibbitz.

I also used the following company pages as references when writing the article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animoto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutterstock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovid

I understand that you believe the article that I submitted is too promotional and that the information provided is unimportant, but I don't see much of a difference in both the tone and the types of information provided in the articles I referenced above.

Can you do me a favor and point out the differences between the published articles and my own, or let me know of any specific changes that need to be made in order for the article to be approved?

Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surphughes (talkcontribs) 21:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Surphughes: The 4 pages you mentioned, Animoto, Videology, Shutterstock, and Innovid, are not the best examples. I see evidence of promotional editing in all four's edit history. Some has been cleaned up, but there is some cleanup left to do.
The main issue Draft:Wibbitz, like with so many drafts about topics that are not obviously notable ("Wibbitz? never heard of 'em, the references better be solid" vs "IBM, duh, of course they should have an article, oh wait, they do"), is that it's hard to find 3-5 reliable, independent sources that are about the company rather than its products. The sheer number of references makes it hard to spot the small number that are needed to determine if the company meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. If you have not read WP:Notability, WP:CORP, and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations please do so. To help myself and other editors easily assess if the company meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines, please go to the draft's talk page and list 3-5 references that, if read by any experienced Wikipedia editor who has not read the draft or the rest of the references, would make him think "Gee, that company meets the requirements for an article, someone should write one."
On an unrelated matter, when you ping someone, you need to put a | and their username after, like it says to on {{ping}}. Also, it is customary to put four tildes, ~~~~, at the end of your messages. That will put your name and the date. I manually added your name and date to your previous message, using the {{unsigned}} template.
I hope this helps. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Congrabulatononons!

the Melted Wikiglobe of Honor
You have been awarded the Melted Wikiglobe of Honor, which now dubs you as Melted Davidwr! This honorifc prefix is optional, however. Either way, you have been awarded this barnstar for your unintentional support (i.e. public enjoyment of Wikipedia thingies created by Wandering Green User) of WGU during his Wikistential crisis! Congrabulatononons!
~Wandering Green User~  19:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your mention

We will never please everyone. I'm glad I pleased you. I hope I pleased the editor. I worked out a long time ago that whatever we do will be held up as incorrect by at least one editor. "Susceptible to challenge" is, to me, the same as "controversial" but doubtless means something else to someone else.

I use a boilerplate set of decline templates whcih you may enjoy, perhaps plagiarise, here. I think some of the wording was used as the decline templates improved while I was on an extended Wikibreak.

When reviewing I also deal with pictures on Commons, almost all of which are copyvios

When I accept I also link an article to Wikidata if possible Fiddle Faddle 16:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Numbers

I have reverted your addition of a hat-note (which made the guideline begin hatnote, template, hatnote before reaching the actual content) on the grounds that I doubt very much that the supposed ambiguity has ever caused any problem anywhere on Wikipedia, and therefore does not need to be fixed, clarified, etc. Of course you are welcome to make your case on the talkpage. (I am not watching this page, so if for some reason you need to respond here, please ping me.) --JBL (talk) 13:22, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hello

I wanna ask something, can a mere spam report by a bot that is closed be deleted on wikipedia?

U have been wanting to ask any admin or editor this... Dremo24 (talk) 18:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your concern is. If the concern is that the bot has a "false positive" report, the issue needs to be raised with the bot operator so it doesn't happen again to someone else. In this case, the report containing the false positive is itself evidence that the bot has a problem, so it should stay up until the bot operator decides to take it down. If it's a legitimate spam report, then it's a legitimate spam report and I don't understand why you would ask that it be removed. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:14, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

K Dremo24 (talk) 22:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Note to self: I was fooled by a sockpuppet abusing multiple accounts, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Daniel vic for details. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

User:Programer11/sandbox

Hi , I declined your speedy delete nomination for User:Programer11/sandbox as although it was a copy of https://beva.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eve.13085 , that page was published under a CC-BY-4.0 license that permits a copy to Wikipedia (with attribution). Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:23, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

@Graeme Bartlett: Thank you. I'm usually check for those things. It's nice to know that on the few occasions when I do get sloppy someone has my back. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 12:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Pathways schools‬

Thanks for the reply. I do understand that Pathways schools might have literary articles and materials. But the main schools that are presented in Wikipedia are ones with significant history, multiple famous alumni or ones who have established their names in the region. Pathways schools‬ are quite new (established in 2008) and have no famous alumni (as far as I looked). Another red flag is that the page was name in 2010 by a user named "Pathways". I think that the article undermines what Wikipedia is. And even I don't have time to do though extensive research to make the article to Wikipedia standards. Thanks for the interest! Kash Up (talk) 08:02, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

@Kash Up: Until a few years ago, there was a de facto rule that schools that had the equivalent of a US High School Diploma were presumed to have significant coverage until someone took the time to dig around and claim "hey, I've dug around and haven't found significant coverage, PROD or AFD." That was true in 2010, which is probably why the page wasn't deleted under WP:TNT as COI-spam.
Another factor is that at least one of the schools is an International Baccalaureate school, which strongly suggests that reliable sources could be found if someone bothered to look. That said, PROD is a soft delete, if someone without a COI wants to resurrect it or rewrite it, they can. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 12:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

October 7 2020 Adsmohali

@Davider:my friend how are youAdsmohali (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

@Adsmohali: When starting a new discussion on a talk page, it is customary to start a new section. In most web browsers, there is a "new section" or "+" link at the top of talk pages.
There is no need to "ping" when you are writing to my talk page, I get an automatic notification when anyone writes to it.
If you want to talk about Wikipedia, ask your question. It may be a day or two before I get back to you though. You might get a faster response on the talk page of the article or draft you want to talk about, or if it is a general question about Wikipedia, by posting on the Wikipedia Teahouse. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
@Adsmohali: I just noticed your user page. I am not here to "be friends with people" or to "make friends." I am here to be friendly with people because being friendly is very helpful, almost a requirement, in any collaborative project. I and just about everyone here is here primarily for one reason: To build an encyclopedia. I assume that is why you are here as well. That doesn't mean friendships won't develop over many months or years, but it's not likely with me. I've been here over a decade and the only people on Wikipedia who I would count as actual friends are people who I also knew in person. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:14, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits````syedyasarabbas````

thank you very much for editing the article. i am new to wikipedia so i had no idea how to do it. just one last edit is remaining, its shahalami not shahalmi. i was trying to edit it but it gave me editing conflict. thanks alot again for your help. Syedyasarabbas (talk) 22:24, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@Syedyasarabbas: you should be able to edit now. When you get an edit conflict, just copy your changes to a temporary location like a word processor document or notepad entry, re-load the page, then re-do the edit, being careful not to accidentally over-write the changes the other editor made. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:30, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Time Traveler script

Note to self: Consider installing Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/TimeTraveller. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:05, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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