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Delvinaki

Γεια Δημήτρη! I have the feeling that Vakalopoulos offered some detail about the etymology of the word. Do you have access on his work?Alexikoua (talk) 10:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Alexikoua: Hello Alexikoua. The only related segment visible from Vakalopoulos in page 322 is the following, "-δυση στο χώρο της Πωγώνιανης, που μαρτυρείται και από ορισμένα τοπωνύμια όπως το Δελβινάκι (αμπελότοπος), το Γκουβέρι (γκούβα = κοίλωμα), αλλά και από τις μετακινήσεις αλβανικών οικογενειών, οι οποίες εξισλαμίστηκαν λόγω των συνθηκών που επικρατούσαν.", https://books.google.com.au/books/content?id=6s05AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA322&img=1&pgis=1&dq=%CE%94%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%B2%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CE%BA%CE%B9+%CE%B1%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%B5%CE%BB%CF%8C%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%82&sig=ACfU3U3TSns7oRmVl9NvkvQZiknn4LHHPw&edge=0. He could be referring to Aromanians for all we know in relation to these toponyms, which would make more sense linguistically. It would be nice to read the whole page, but even if he indeed associates these place-names with Albanian (as the one who entered reference 6 indicates and i really question because i cannot validate), and not Aromanian for example, they are still wrong linguistically. Even we have the word "guva"/"γούβα, γκούβα" in modern Greek as a loan from Aromanian, https://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B3%CE%BF%CF%8D%CE%B2%CE%B1. Besides, there were many Aromanians living in Pogoni such as in Kefalovryso (old name being Migidei/Μετζιτιέ), https://www.vlahoi.net/politismos/vlahes-metzitie. Even the Albanians mentioned, might be Aromanians after all, because they were of the Arvanitovlach branch (meaning the Aromanians or Vlachs that came from Albania and were usually trilingual in Aromanian, Albanian, and Greek). I really wish i had the relevant pages from the book so i could include all of the information that he writes about Delvinaki and Pogoni in general. Because right now the whole "History" paragraph is very much Albanian centered, and that limits considerably the history of the place. Demetrios1993 (talk) 23:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Map

Thanks for the input. However, it needs additional data like rivers, labels etc, but that's not a big deal. Are you familiar with svg software?Alexikoua (talk) 21:00, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

That sounds like a great addition Alexikoua. Unfortunately i am not familiar with svg software or any image editing software other than Paint (Windows). Demetrios1993 (talk) 04:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

September 2020

Hello, I'm Toddst1. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person on Drew Pavlou, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! Toddst1 (talk) 21:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Toddst1 why was my Drew Pavlou edit removed? All information i shared was sourced and even openly shared by Drew Pavlou himself. It's a good faith edit. Are you going to revert back to my edit, or should i? Please go through the sources i shared. Specifically the article from The Weekend Australian is accessible and not behind paywall, but in order to gain access you have to navigate through Google Search. Date is also verified via a tweet Drew Pavlou made on his personal Twitter account, which i have also cited. Demetrios1993 (talk) 22:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

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@Future Perfect at Sunrise: Concerning the reverts that you recently did on the Phrygian language article, i would like to disclose that i have informed the author of that doctoral thesis and he didn't have a problem with what had been added. There shouldn't be an issue. Besides that, there is not much variation in how you can present linguistics, it's pretty much straightforward. There is also the issue of the two tables i had added. There shouldn't have been a problem with those, correct? Tables are likewise straightforward, and cited. If there is an issue, can you please assist with the edit so it's appropriate per the standards? I would appreciate your help. Demetrios1993 (talk) 13:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Uhm, no, it doesn't work that way. You can't legitimize this kind of textual copying simply by obtaining an okay from the author – formally, at a minimum, they'd have to provide a formal, public statement releasing their text under a free license. And even if they did, the text you pasted in would still be far from suitable for an encyclopedia. To start with, you had copied over all the references in their original parenthetical format, without resolving them to the actual bibliographic information. This would still require massive reworking, for structure, balance and contextual adequacy. An encyclopedia article is simply not the same thing as a doctoral thesis.

It is also simply not true that there "isn't much variation in how you can present linguistics". Sorry for being blunt, but if you really can't think of different ways to present the underlying information, you need to work on your writing skills. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: Thanks for your reply. What about the two tables and the four images? Especially in regards to the tables what is the issue? I haven't understood. Demetrios1993 (talk) 20:14, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

The maps are copyright violations, as long as the author hasn't actually released them under the license you claimed. (I'll have to tag them for deletion on Commons.) They are also not really suitable in the present form, since much of the detail, such as the numbers referring to individual inscriptions, can only be understood in the context of the original thesis. It would be ok if somebody were to create a new, graphically independent map summarizing the overall findings (e.g. just indicating the approximate regional distributions without the excessive detail), but that would be quite a bit of work. I haven't scrutinized the tables yet. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:24, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: Concerning the images, i had another editor i know who proposed to remake them independently if any licensing issue arose. Also, the codes are relevant and pertain to the inscriptions' designations that are universal. I will reach out to him and ask him. I would appreciate some input on the tables as well. I truly don't think there should be a problem with them. Can i add them again? I will also try and rephrase the rest of the edit i made, but it will take me some time since i am very busy these last days. Maybe in the weekend. Demetrios1993 (talk) 20:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: By the way, you don't have to tag the images. If there is an option, i can delete them myself instead. Just guide me through because i cannot find the relevant button. Demetrios1993 (talk) 20:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: Excuse me, i am not trying to spam or anything. I know you are an admin and you must be very busy, but can you take a moment to assess the two aforementioned tables? Can i re-add them? Thanks again for your time. Demetrios1993 (talk) 19:41, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Costas Spanos

Hello Demetrios1993,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Costas Spanos for deletion, because it seems to be copied from another source, probably infringing copyright.

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Welcome

It's very surprising to have members that are already familiar with all functions here. Welcome!Alexikoua (talk) 10:41, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your compliment Alexikoua. I am still in the learning process, but have managed to learn a lot over the last few months. Demetrios1993 (talk) 14:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

3RR breach

You made 4 reverts on Dalmatae. You need to revert your last revert and seek consensus on the talk page. Otherwise a report will be filed on your breach of WP:3RR. Bye, Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:14, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

No i didn't. Where do you count 4 rv? Demetrios1993 (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

1.[1] (rv of [2]) 2. [3] (rv of [4]) 3. [5] (rv of [6] 4. [7] (rv of [8]). If you still insist, I will have to seek admin intervention. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

My 3rd edit (5) doesn't count as rv. If anything i conceded on most of the points put forward by the fellow editor, and my main edit was essentially a small rephrase to meet WP:UNDUE, after i had already explained myself in the tp. Regardless of that, consensus has already been reached on that part of the section and now meets WP:UNDUE. Furthermore, your rv (8) was misrepresented as supposedly a rv against Orel (on whom consensus already existed) while it was actually a rv against the aforementioned WP:UNDUE rephrase, something i perceived as a mistake from your part and thus i reverted. You cannot be rv something and provide a totally different reason because it might and was perceived as a mistake by me. You didn't even provide a reason in tp before you acted as such. Small sidenote/mistake, 4 is a rv of 3. Anyway, the current version as it evolved is fine by everyone. Demetrios1993 (talk) 15:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Plagiarism, again

The text you reinstated at Phrygian language [9] was still far, far too closely paraphrased after your source [10]. Seriously, don't do that again. If you don't understand why that isn't allowed, I really can't think of any clearer way of explaining it to you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:58, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Better to be discussed in the actual talk page of the article, as you originally attempted. Demetrios1993 (talk) 11:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Dalmatia

Hi Deneteios1993! For your revert of my reintegration of Illyrian terminology. I could have sworn I read about an Illyrian as well as Hellenic (Greek) origin as at one point partly under Hellenic control? Cheers OyMosby (talk) 19:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

No worries mate. You were probably confused because before my edit the section indeed mentioned an Illyrian word delme and might have been engrained in your memory, but again, this was unsourced (neither the single old source mentioned it, nor the multiple new additions). If i recall correctly, the same false mention was in the article of Delminium as well, but has since been updated likewise. As for a Hellenic etymology, personally i don't recall ever reading something that relates to that. In a discussion with a linguist i know personally i read that it could likely stem from the Proto-Indo-European root *dʰol- ~ *dʰel- (an arch, vaulting, curve, curvature, cavity, valley). A cognate of it would be English dell. Of the sources mentioned though in the updated section, i am more fond of Orel who denies any relationship between Delminium, Delmatia, and Delmatae with Albanian dele (through its Gheg variant delmë). According to him, delme hardly has anything in common with the ancient root because it represents a variant of dele with *-mā which is ultimately from proto-Albanian *dailā. If the two were actually related, we would need to have an ancient form like Dailminium, Dailmatia, and Dailmatae, but we don't.

Now one may ask. How do we know that the proto-Albanian form of the Albanian term 'dele' is *dailā with /ai/ and not delā with /e/? We know this for the following three reasons:

1. *del- cannot derive smoothly from the IE root *dheh1 (i) -l- (which can only give *-eh1-> /ē/, *-h1-> /a/, *-h1i-> /ai/ and, with laryngeal metathesis, *-ih1-> /ī/).
2. The hypothetical Proto-Albanian *dél- would have evolved into Albanian *djel- ~ *djal- due to the diphthongization of the stressed Proto-Albanian *é> je (> ja), e.g. *bhér-> *bjer-> bie, *dhégwh-> djeg, Pétrus> Pjetër, castéllum> kështjelë, sélla> sjela> sjealë> sjalë> shalë, *mélita> *mjelta> mjealtë> mjaltë etc. You can read a very detailed article by Michiel de Vaan on the fate of IE *e in Albanian, here.
3. On the contrary, the new Proto-Albanian /e/ resulting from the monophthongization of *ai> ē> e (as well as the one derived from IE *ō> e, e.g. pōmum> pemë, terraemōtus> tërmet) is not diphthongized when stressed. For example, Graecus > alb. grek, praeda > predhë > preë > alb. prē, PAlb *baitsa > alb. besë, etc. That is why the modern Albanian term dele ~ delmë has /e/.

Anyway, not trying to do WP:OR nor WP:FORUM. Just shared some additional information for your benefit. Take care and thanks for reaching out. Demetrios1993 (talk) 12:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Greek manias

I've seen your changes. I don't understand why you Greeks, or those who want to be Greek even if they are not Greek, or those who love "this modern world", want everything to be Greek: the churches, the people, the words that are not. A Balkan craze I would say. By "Greek" in the West it was meant not ethnicity but the "Greek rite" or Byzantine rite. "Greeks" were Albanians, Slavs, Arabs and some Eastern Christian. The basics are missing. Are you Greek from Greece?—188.12.224.198 (talk) 23:36, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an WP:ENC. Please refrain from adding unsubstantiated WP:OR. A small sidenote. Greeks are a distinct ethnic group indigenous/autochthonous to Greece, Cyprus, Albania, Italy, Turkey, Egypt and, to a lesser extent, other countries surrounding the Mediterranean Sea. In the medieval period they were the Byzantine Greeks. Furthermore, there are many names for the Greeks (endonyms and exonyms), and "Greek" (Γραικός) is one of them; and it's how the group is known to the West (image). Last, here (Greek scholars in the Renaissance) is a long list of scholars and émigrés to western Europe (including Italy) in the period following the end of the Byzantine Empire (1453) who greatly contributed to the Renaissance; all of them belonging to the Greek ethnic group and speaking Greek as their mother tongue. Yes, i am a Greek from Greece. Demetrios1993 (talk) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Crete and Minoans

The source says : "Pottery typical of the Korakou culture is found in... , Early Minoan II levels at Knossos in Crete..." That's why I added it. You are more experienced so I will accept your decision. Historyandsciencelearn (talk) 10:02, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

If it is sourced then feel free to re-add it. Demetrios1993 (talk) 03:54, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Nice, thank you. Historyandsciencelearn (talk) 09:08, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

April 2021

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{ [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } it wasn't me that added the category "Greek people of Albanian descent", but i didn't remove it either (the second time) because i assumed that it had some relevance, considering that she has lived for many years in Greece and she could even possess the Greek citizenship, though i am not certain of this to be honest. Demetrios1993 (talk) 15:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

man don't you have respects to another person's opinion?

why did you delete my message on talk page of İzmir fire? I just wrote that to the discussion. And why did you deleted it instead of answering it? I suppose you know what is discussion means. And I'm hundred percently sure you didn't read all of that what I wrote. Efe Atesh (talk) 07:42, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Efe Atesh, it was removed because as explained in the reason i gave, this was a closed discussion, and any subsequent comments should have been made in a new section on the talk page. You can also read this at the top of the section (Requested move 14 April 2021). You were also in violation of Wikipedia:Civility guidelines. If you want to begin a new section in the talk page you are free to do so, but not under a closed discussion. Demetrios1993 (talk) 14:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Illyrian (South Slavic)

Hi! you have removed by edit from Illyrian (South Slavic) because I wrote there "But this language is unrelated to ancient Illyrian." Why did you removed this? Isn't it confirmed that Slavic is not descended from Illyrian? With best regards AlexBachmann (talk) 13:29, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello AlexBachmann. I removed it and replaced it with a Template:Distinguish, which says the same thing, namely "Not to be confused with the ancient Illyrian language.". It's located at the top of the article, just below the title. The same template is also used in the Illyrian language article, namely "Not to be confused with Illyrian language (South Slavic).", and likewise the article makes no mention of the South Slavic languages. Demetrios1993 (talk) 15:15, 20 May 2021 (UTC)