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Letter to the Vietnamese History Museum 🏛

On March 1st, 2018 I had contacted the Vietnamese History Museum 🏛 if they were to donate information on their exhibitions to Wikipedia, I am (currently) still awaiting an answer. This post is only for record keeping. --Donald Trung 💴 (No fake news 📜) (Articles 📚) Respect mobile users. 📲 03:11, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

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A page you started (Khải Định Thông Bảo) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Khải Định Thông Bảo, Donald Trung!

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Thank you 😊, but that'll be my last article for a long time, I'm glad you liked it. --Donald Trung 💴 (No fake news 📜) (Articles 📚) Respect mobile users. 📲 03:46, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-02

Latest news from the Wikimedia Global Collaboration team, about Map improvements 2018, Notifications, Structured discussions and Edit Review Improvements. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you.

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  • Collaboration and Language are now going their way separately. Updates about Content Translation are not included in this newsletter anymore. Please refer to the Language report.
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17:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Notice.

Until March 2018 I will probably not be active here, if you wish 🌠 to leave me a message please do so here, I will regularly check back some articlesㄨ but will mostly only read Wikipedia. --Donald Trung 💴 (No fake news 📜) (Articles 📚) Respect mobile users. 📲 19:47, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Change your signature

Images are explicitly not allowed in signatures per WP:SIGIMAGE. They put an unnecessary drain on server resources. Please change it immediately. --Majora (talk) 00:50, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

@Majora: concerning this comment "Considering part of their unblock involved emojis and other images and DoRD already asked them to knock it off with the images in their signatures I'm bringing this here for further community review. At the very least, Donald Trung has to go back and clean up the massive mess they have made on so many talk pages across the project. Putting unnecessary resources into showing their signatures just because they had to have images in it. --Majora (talk) 01:05, 6 March 2018 (UTC)" I didn't include images but templates in my signature and the large signature was changed the moment I saw that it was several thousand bytes into a smaller one, I was forbidden from using non-Unicode characters but {{Smiley|}} is fully in Unicode but simply displays as smileys (not emoji's), and why are users like @Koavf: allowed to use emoji's in their signature, but not me? If I could simply use emoji's like 🛠 these there would've been no issue, the original block had nothing to do with me (mis)using emoji's, and they simply make my signature more recognisable so I can pick up where I left more easily in a long thread. As for using that "disruptive" signature I had already changed it yesterday after I saw how big it was so this block isn't preventative at all. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 06:38, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Unblock

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Donald Trung (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I will not use images in my signature including smaller images like the ones, I will request the ability to use emoji's in my signature in the future, but will not try to find a replacement before appealing that condition. I didn't know that templates were images and changed my signature the moment I was alerted to it. If the concern was about the 3,500 bytes signature then know that at User:Donald Trung/Signature Testing Space I had changed it the moment I became aware of how big it is and changed it into a smaller one. That using smiley templates was against the rules is something I was simply unaware of at that time. Or more specifically that the way the smiley template gets displayed are considered images. I have read the policy on signatures before changing it and didn't think that templates were images, I am mistaken and request that it should at least be taken into consideration that the signature at had when I got blocked was significantly smaller than the one of 3,500 bytes--Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 1:55 am, Today (UTC−5)

Decline reason:

Sorry no, if you had properly read the policy you would have found that templates are not appropriate in signatures either. Signatures cannot have templates, files, or be longer than 255 characters. Signatures must link back to the user, and not be ridiculously long when rendered. Signatures must be readable and not disrupt text formatting.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 15:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I will not repeat this mistake, I have thoroughly read the policy and know what I did wrong, but I don't see how a wrong signature would require a a full site ban, I was writing articles again and busy expanding articles like Manchukuo yuan, I will accept a ban from all talk pages if neededAnd I wasn't "trolling" with my comment about Slowking4, I just thought that blocks should be a preventative measure to protect the encyclopedia and saw how helpful he is on other projects and hopes that he can return here, but he clearly isn't interested in appealing his ban. Also I thought that the village pump was a talk page as it's where Wikipedia policy gets discussed. . --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 23:34, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

  • As a note, for any future reviewing admin, the current thread at ANI has people (myself included) saying he should stay blocked regardless of the emoji issue. I will not be reviewing future unblocks per my comments there. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:36, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
    • How about a topic ban from anything not related to encyclopedic content? As I haven't made any bad edits to the actual content of the encyclopedia. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 23:40, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
    • Also note that the moment I replied to SamHolt6's comment I saw how big my signature was and immediately changed it, I used those templates to try and not use emoji's, but I won't change my signature from how it looks now anyhow. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 00:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Notice

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Donald Trung's emoji signatures. Majora (talk) 01:05, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Donald, if you wish to make a statement concerning that discussion, place it below and someone will copy it over for you. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 03:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

I am just curious as to why using emoji's in my signature is forbidden while there are users like Koavf that have signatures that display like this ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:28, 4 March 2018 (UTC) while using emoji'shad absolutely nothing to do with my original block, and wasn't even considered to be disruptive prior. I had only used the large signature three or four times and immediately changed it after I saw how big it was which can be seen here to find a signature that wasn't so large but didn't contain emoji's but templates as 🕷 this is an emoji and {{Smiley|}} is a template, something which I wasn't prohibited from using. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 06:19, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Commenting on the discussion

@Ansh666: I have never had communication issues regarding the content of articles, I had a copyright strike while editing as an IP and accidentally placed a blacklisted link which was discussed and allowed to stay, I will refrain from commenting on any policies and my behaviour on Meta was related to the fact that my signature included a link to my global lock and unlock which I stated was there to give hope to others who are locked that they could be unlocked but was seen as disruptive so I changed it after a discussion, as for the disruptive voting I fully know what I did was wrong and clearly haven't repeated it here, I asked if I could change my votes to neutral but was denied. I'm not sure why you don't want me to write and improve articles, though as I've had followed every policy correctly and improved my style if corrected.

And yes, in retrospect I should've simply opened a RfC regarding the usage and appeal of global locks or try to get a global UTRS implemented instead of my votes, I know fully well how disruptive it was and lead myself get wrongfully guided by emotion instead of rationally trying to follow policy and implement change that way. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) I am a mobile user. 09:09, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Blocked

For violating the terms you agreed to before being unblocked, in spirit if not in letter, I have reinstated your block. You are surely aware that edits like this, with a nearly 3500 byte, image-laden signature, are disruptive, so I have concluded that the English Wikipedia isn't a good fit for you. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 02:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

@DoRD: I added templates as you stated that I could still use emoji's on talk pages as village pumps, Etc. Are talk pages, then you requested that I had removed the emoji's from my signature so I did, I replaced them with templates (not images) which,I couldn't find was against any policy. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 05:12, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

And other users like Koavf, Etc. have emoji's in their signatures, my original block had nothing to do with the (mis)use of emoji's so as an unblock condition it didn't make sense but you said I was allowed to use them in talk pages and my own user pages. I am not sure why only I specifically am not allowed to use emoji's in my signature as it isn't considered disruptive for Koavf/Justin Knapp. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 05:15, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Why not allow me to have three emoji's in my signature like this? And what I used were templates which are explicitly not emoji's. I mostly prefer something coloured so I can see where I commented in a long discussion so I can pick up a thread from there. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 05:24, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

And concerning the above edit, the moment I saw how big my signature was I changed it to {{smiley|}} based one. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 05:27, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, in so far as enhancing signature visibility goes, I've colorized mine.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 05:50, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
But a few simple emoji's are more easily recognisable, also after clicking edit because you would have to search for your name, meanwhile Koavf can simply see a heart and a peace symbol without having to really search for anything. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 06:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Concerning "You are surely aware that edits like this, with a nearly 3500 byte, image-laden signature, are disruptive, so I have concluded that the English Wikipedia isn't a good fit for you." I had literally changed that large signature the moment I saw how big it was, the {{Smiley|}} is only 430 bytes which isn't even that big, and that is the signature I got blocked for, not the one I had already changed. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 06:12, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

@Oshwah: as you are a part of the AN/I discussion and everyone else seems to be asleep. Comments? --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 10:53, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

@DoRD: and @Dlohcierekim: I was under the mistaken impression that the village pump was a talk page per "I would say that any page which is used for discussions (including this one, AN, etc.) is a talk page; any other sort of Wikipedia: namespace page should generally not be signed. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:12, 12 February 2018 (UTC)" and I should've cleaned up the large signatures myself, I would also like to apologise to Dlohcierekim if he/she feels that I've caused them embarrassment by violating any unblock conditions. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 01:39, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorry things did not work out.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:01, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
@Dlohcierekim: do you see any unblock where I am only confined to articles and article related talk pages with my current signature? I was in the middle of updating years because an old source used the wrong dates and I would rather no see any hoaxes, I fully understand that the community doesn't want any actors that disagree with how their policies are implemented so I will refrain from talking in "Wikipedia:" Spaces but request to be allowed to comment in Articles for Deletion. And of course user talk pages to solely discuss article content or maybe give compliments to users that deserve it, but I'll stay away from controversial contributors. --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 03:21, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
I do not know. The An/I discussion is moving slowly. You might read that to see what has been said. I would simplify the signature further-- remove the superfluous. You might want to ping DorD and see if current sig is acceptable. --Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:36, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
@Donald Trung: Email received. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 00:55, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Signature

@DoRD: How about I ask you on your user page every time I wish to change my signature (which won't be that often or at all as I mostly just want a link to the list of articles I've created recently)? I genuinely did not see how large my previous signature was until it was too late, I would've cleaned up the mess myself if anyone would've asked. Is my current signature acceptable?

Note that the "No fake news" part is a joke inspired by a real life event where someone made that joke based on the written form of my name (Trung is actually pronounced like Chüng), and only serves to lighten the mood.--Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 03:45, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@Dlohcierekim: I changed the "Respect mobile users" to this signature as it might help clarify why I would take two edits to move something from one section to another, if wanted I would remove that part entirely. Is there anything else you would like to suggest? --Donald Trung (No fake news) (Articles) I am a mobile user. 08:03, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

No, I think if it's now acceptable to Iridescent then that's how it needs to be.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 11:48, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@Dlohcierekim: Do you think that it is possible to get unblocked for a week with the conditions listed below that what lead to the block is behind me and then have another discussion opened where people can evaluate, and yes I fully understand that if given this chance to prove myself that a breach of it will also lead to an immediate and indefinite ban from the project. I have not made a single disruptive edit in any of the spaces laid forth by those conditions and only wish to prove that they should have no doubt in believing that an unblock will only be beneficial for Wikipedia. --Donald Trung (talk) 03:08, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I do not know as I have not followed he ANI thread.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:10, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
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