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The Bugle: Issue 216, April 2024[edit]
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"Third" Lancashire County Asylum[edit]
Can you do me a favour (because I'm unravelling a unknown length of string here) and let me know your thoughts on whether or not we are documenting the actual name of the hospital or an artifact of the original source for the names Dr. Jeremy Taylor publication "Hospital And Asylum Architecture 1840-1914". When I reviewed the current source for the name it became unclear if this was formally named "Third Lancashire County Asylum", and instead it was just the "third Lancashire County Asylum" per the history page on the same site quote:The third Lancashire County Lunatic Asylum, Rainhill opened 1st January 1851 simultaneously with the second asylum, Prestwich
and our own disambig page Lancashire County Lunatic Asylum. Just in glancing around I can see:
- another "Third Lancashire County" asylum listed with even County Asylums mentioning the Preston site
- meanwhile the source for Prestwich Hospital "Second Lancashire County Lunatic Asylum" makes no mention of the numbering convention and other sources specifically just call it the Lancashire County Lunatic Asylum as it had a different name to the "First" the Lancaster Moor Hospital then known as Lancashire County Pauper Lunatic Asylum
- oddly we claim the original name of Lancaster Moor is "the First Lancashire County Asylum" which seems very unlikely (and isn't supported by any source)
I found Simon Cornwells site (careful, the site is listed as unsecured but I can't find anything obvious wrong) lists Rainhill as alternatively "Third Lancaster County Asylum" as does this similar list which both base their work off the original "Hospital And Asylum Architecture 1840-1914" which has raised my circular sourcing hackles a bit i.e. Taylor writes a list differentiating the different hospitals, Cornwell adds to list in table, Table becomes the source of countyasylums.co.uk and so on, but the numbering convention may not have been in original source, or may have been included only as a differentiator rather than a formal name, meanwhile wikipedia seems to just be adding "First", "Second" etc to sites where it isn't included at all because of some perceived convention. Koncorde (talk) 08:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi - This is extremely complicated and it took me several months of work to unravel it myself. All counties in England used this numbering convention and in some counties they commissioned some ten asylums all numbered in sequence. It is best summarised by this article which sets out the numbering sequence. The numbering sequence was a government initiative rather than anything wikipedia invented although some hospitals may have preferred not to use the rather de-humanising sequence. Dormskirk (talk) 09:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a non-Taylor source for the numbering convention? Anything contemporaneous, such as from the commission? I haven't found a copy of Taylors publication, and when I glanced earlier the only sources I could find referenced Taylors book at some level. If there's specific commission details then would expect them to be somewhere, but outside a random architecture website I have ran dry (though I have hardly been exhaustive yet). Koncorde (talk) 14:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- And thank you by the way. Not to sound like an ungrateful sod. Koncorde (talk) 14:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- No problem. I seem to remember that Taylor was the main source I used, although I did consider The Asylums List as well. Dormskirk (talk) 14:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- And thank you by the way. Not to sound like an ungrateful sod. Koncorde (talk) 14:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a non-Taylor source for the numbering convention? Anything contemporaneous, such as from the commission? I haven't found a copy of Taylors publication, and when I glanced earlier the only sources I could find referenced Taylors book at some level. If there's specific commission details then would expect them to be somewhere, but outside a random architecture website I have ran dry (though I have hardly been exhaustive yet). Koncorde (talk) 14:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)