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What emptiness.[edit]

Cafe Couple
Ideallandschaft bei Mondschein 17 Jh

Hafspajen (talk) 12:02, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What is this place?[edit]

Fukurokuju- God of Wisdom
Opehlia

Me thinks I'm lost. It was hard enough being a talk page stalker knowing where I was, but now I don't know where I'm not. m( Atsme☯Consult Agent 99 15:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Join the club [1]. EEng (talk) 16:10, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Shall we al sit here and feel the Emptiness? Hafspajen (talk) 16:26, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Archived RfC at Slavic Speakers of Greek Macedonia[edit]

If, after having read the comments again, you still disagree with my synopsis (in particular, that 6 out of 7 respondents agree that in some cases it's permissible to make a specification), please let me know why (about this). Thanks! Tropcho (talk) 23:25, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Tropcho, that "the motivation had nothing to do with questions of ambiguity/difficulty of verification" is immaterial: it's a serious problem. In addition, you do not seem to acknowledged that "ethnic/language affiliation" is not an easy yoking together of two terms, which is a serious (BLP) problem recognized by Pmanderson and Taivo. I do not agree with your synopsis, and I do not understand what exactly the problem is: if you have a person, and you wish to include their nationality, ethnic background, linguistic affiliation, mother tongue (or stepmother tongue), blood group, etc., you can propose it on the talk page. You may think that "it's important to state explicitly in the summary that in unambiguous and reliably verifiable cases where ethnic/language affiliation is part of the notability (e.g. national activists, ethnicity researchers, etc.) a specification is permissible", and that six out of seven agreed with your wording, but I disagree, and I'm not going to stick something in the close that I don't see consensus for. Six out of seven? As I said before, there are three NOs, and how that gets turned into 86% support for your statement, I don't know. You have a way to get the things into the article that you want in, if you have the evidence for it and get the consensus for it; I don't know what more you want. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 23:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Should I do the count?
Comments 1-3: yes, it's OK.
Comment 4 (Taivo) no
Comment 5 yes, if they unambiguously and verifiably stated it themselves.
Comment 6 (PMAnderson) bad idea. Comment finishes with "If a person was a leader of a Bulgarian or Macedonian ethnic movement - and for some of the history involved these would be the same thing - that's a biographical fact. Include, and source."
Comment 7 In general no, with exceptions for those where that ethnicity is a significant part of their notability (activist, researcher specifically in ethnicity, etc).
So (depending on how you interpret PMAnderson's remark) either 5/7 (comments 1-3, 5, 7) or 6/7 (1-3, 5-7) people think in some cases it's permissible. Two of the "no's" have an important except.
And this is not a BLP problem, because 1) most people on that list are dead 2) we are not talking about the ambiguous cases where we can't know or verify; let me emphasize this: the question is whether it is permissible to do a specification for some people on the list (those where we have a way to know unambiguously), not whether it is permissible to specify everyone's identity. I agree that it's in fact impossible to do the latter. Tropcho (talk) 00:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And to answer your question, I'd be happy to see a summary that somehow reflects the 4 (or more) YESes, not only the 3 (or less) NOs. Tropcho (talk) 00:20, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a vote. If there's so much math involved in your summary, perhaps you were asking the wrong question. You can take the matter up at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard (with the other commenters) or at WP:AN (to get this close overturned). Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Very interesting. How much math is counting up to 7? And who said it is a vote? I just suggested a summary that reflects all comments, not the minority. And in case you didn't notice, Taivo's concerns were addressed. Perhaps the question could have been phrased better to avoid any misunderstandings, but even as it is there's no reason to have a summary that completely ignores a significant number of the answers, in my opinion. Tropcho (talk) 07:16, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Good luck in the next state, if that's where you're going. Perhaps there they will recognize that, for instance, "Taivo's concerns were addressed" simply must mean that a universal truth is uttered. Drmies (talk) 16:42, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? What made you think I implied that? Or was this a taunt? If you have difficulties assuming good faith or staying civil, perhaps take a break. For the rest, I do think your summary isn't accurate, for the reasons stated above, and will probably pursue further. Take care. Tropcho (talk) 12:33, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Failed at AN"[edit]

So far as I can see, the only two admins with any objection are the two admins that abdicated their responsibility to supervise an editor that they unblocked over the strenuous objections of multiple parties. I really am at a loss here: what was the purpose of placing a 0RR restriction on an editor if you did not intend on reblocking when the restriction was violated? What did it mean if it could be violated without consequence?—Kww(talk) 23:49, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • There is no formal ban, and you're not at a loss: I'm sure you were quite pleased you could drop a three-month blockhammer down after that edit warring report. Maybe you should learn to see farther than "block"; two sides can be at fault, and you never seem to look at the other side. Why should you? That guy from Chile is just an asshole who refuses to get an account and who, for some weird reason, gets pissed when they get reverted. I am not claiming that I was right here just because you're so wrong, nor that the IP didn't deserve a block of sorts--but the glee with which the vultures come swooping in, yeah, that's a distasteful spectacle. And what you're trying to enact on that LTA page isn't just distasteful, it's also wrong, and if you want that enshrined you're going to have to get it certified, in triplicate, from AN. Drmies (talk) 01:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • What reason do you have to believe that the IP will ever reform his behaviour? That's the point that you seem to miss: the quality of his edits doesn't matter when judging his behaviour, and his behaviour is unacceptable. And I actually am at a loss: while I disagree with you on many things, I don't tend to see you as dishonest. What was the point of the 0RR restriction? Why are editors having to take him to the edit-warring noticeboard instead of you blocking immediately on the first reversion? If you weren't intending to do that, what did you mean by a 0RR restriction?—Kww(talk) 05:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kww, I don't think I swore a blood oath to start blocking. If I remember correctly, the IP quit pinging me, and Yngvadottir responded on a number of occasions. Yngvadottir, like me, also doesn't seem to think that blocking is the way to go. And again, this ANEW thing was preceded by a number of reverts on the other editor's part, reverts that were in themselves at least open for censure. So I chose not to block either one, yes. The point you continually miss is that it always takes two to tango: the editor who took him there was themselves guilty of edit warring, and that's not the first time something like that happens--and pardon me for not believing a block is always the answer. But I'm done with this, Kww. The IP doesn't seem to want to discuss this with me or change their behavior to suit your desire (which is, I believe, for them to just roll over the first time someone hits them with a revert, no matter what the edit was), and your side seems to be winning in this fist fight. You also seem to miss that Y and I attempted to be in the middle, to mediate, to improve the project for everyone, and all we get as thanks is a bunch of shit. So now I should have blocked. I'm "enabling". I let someone chase people off the project. (I don't see who left, but OK.) I gladly admit that this attempt (which I have been in on for years) was an abject failure, but at least I tried, and maybe there is life and hope for future years in there. You can be all righteously angry, but I can only be sad. Drmies (talk) 16:42, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies, Sorry you're getting so much grief over the IP. While I do have issues with the way they conduct themselves, and with their judgement on occassion, their editing of articles is normally (but not always) beneficial. I think you and Yngvadottir have done a worthy job in trying to curb some of the behaviourial excesses, and I am truly sorry that your efforts have not led to a satisfactory conclusion for all. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 19:48, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • SchroCat, thank you very much. A bit more help from their side could have made all the difference. I appreciate your note, I really do. Drmies (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good... goooood![edit]

My plan is working puhrrrfectleeee. <rubs hands, laughs diabolically> [2]. EEng (talk) 02:36, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Broken clocks and all that... :) Drmies (talk) 02:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • LOL, but even "broken clocks" can be fixed. Broken psyche's on the other hand... :) --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 20:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But the dreaded greengrocers apostrophe is forever. EEng (talk) 04:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Green groce the rushe's O. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:53, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back![edit]

Thanks again for looking after my talk page and wondering what rock I was hiding under. I dropped 10 spots on Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits during the time I was under the rock. While you might have passed me, I'm still leading you on User:JamesR/AdminStats by a wide margin. So there. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:56, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dammit Gogo, what do I need to do? Block more? Delete more? Write less? Hey, nice to see you. Really, I didn't mean to twist your arm, trying to make you come back--but you were one of the old guard, one of the ones with a cool name who got their admin tool by emailing Jimbo and sending him ten bucks via PayPal. (No?) And the ranks are thinning: the latest admin to leave, it appears, is Coffee--ANI has insightful reading material, if you have nothing better to do for a half an hour. Anywayz, thanks for dropping by: not everyone gets a visit from a dodo. That reminds me! Dodos came up before dinner today--must have been something silly one of the kids said, but they played dodo until they realized that would mean they're all dead, extinct. Well now. Drmies (talk) 05:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh man, you got me by a factor 10... But you gotta watch out for that Materialscientist dude, who's been on a tear ever since he got the tool. Ha, I'd be proud if I had any kind of ranking in the unblock and undeletion list. Drmies (talk) 05:14, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think I really just wanted to get off of Wikipedia:List of administrators/Inactive. I paid 15 bucks for my admin bit. Still wondering if it was worth the investment. I read ANI and the Signpost article. I see that nothing much has changed during the months I was hiding under a rock. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:35, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm like halfway down the list. Drmies has thrice as many actions as I do, almost. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:45, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's still nothing compared to the high hitters. Hey Crisco, India Against Corruption is after me now--maybe that means that Sitush gets a breather. I'm pretty sure it's just one disgruntled person, from their language and tone. Hey, are you at a thousand Featured Pictures yet? Drmies (talk) 02:59, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

An article that you deleted[edit]

Bombardier Innovia APM has been recreated. You had deleted it before? Or atleast the talk page. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 13:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yep, as spam. I see that RHaworth and I likely disagree on what the threshold is. Drmies (talk) 20:39, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Expert admin advice sought on canvassing quandary[edit]

I nominated Category:Wikipedians with red-linked categories on their user talk page for deletion. I'm wondering if I should notify the ten users who have put their pages in that category. While it seems courteous, I don't want to appear to be inappropriately canvassing, as I believe all of those users would be in favor of deletion (unless someone's just striving for irony). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • The moment irony may be involved there's no telling who might swing which way, so I wouldn't worry. Appearing to be courteous is always good, unless you're on ANI. Drmies (talk) 00:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the reply. Now that I've thought about it some more, I don't think there's any reason for notifications. Given my logical argument (in honor of Leonard Nimoy, I always try to be logical), I don't see how it could possibly fail to be deleted no matter what anyone says. There's only one user for whom the category is currently applicable, and even in the unlikely event some other people who use it wanted to keep the category around for the irony, I don't think it would be acceptable for other reasons, such as joke categories not being allowed. (And in this case, the mere existence of the category ruins the joke anyways.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:11, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Live long in Prosper, Mandarax. EEng (talk) 04:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Did you know ... that when Zachary Quinto portrayed Spock, he was unable to perform the Vulcan salute, so his fingers were glued together? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, the real logic bomb is Category:Wikipedians who do not have a redlinked category on their userpage, to which I've just added myself. If you belong to it, then categorizing yourself as such means you are no longer eligible for it, but as soon as you remove it, you belong to it again and so need to re-add it. I knew Wikipedia was good for something. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No article[edit]

Pieter van Hanselaere

Hafspajen (talk) 16:56, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks[edit]

re: Talk:Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships & blocked user 143.176.62.228

Note: Three more IPs that geolocate to the Netherlands have appeared:

Note: claimed to "have been blocked without a valid reason"
Note: Within 14 minutes after that posting, a new account was created:
3 images were created at 10:47 (UTC), each described as "Dirty old man with much younger woman. By Lucas Cranach the Elder", and source as "Own digitalization of ancient painting".

I doubt that those images were digitized by Commonismus since they seem to be crude modifications of a work which is actually by Albrecht Altdorfer, not Lucas Cranach:

  • Disclosure. I made a previous edit to the above talk page 12:21, 25 February 2015 using a different IP number 172.164.43.160, and 1 edit to the article using present IP number after semi-protection expired. I don't know if any of the above is block evasion, but those newly fabricated pictures need to be deleted. Thanks for your time. —172.162.6.142 (talk) 05:52, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where do I come in? Isn't SlimVirgin a better person to ask? She's semi'd the article before... Drmies (talk) 16:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The above was re: your blocked user 143.176.62.228 and possible block evasion, as well as false image making. –172.162.6.142 (talk) 11:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vietcong nuturlizer[edit]

Dr Mice wonders where he put those "Abr - a - hams" to go with his with his gator-eggs?

You blocked Vietcong nuturlizer (talk · contribs). I attempted to remove the personal attacks (don't worry, being called gay isn't the worst thing!), but was reverted. You might want to go ahead and revoke their talk page access. DYK I'm a lesbian? I'll have to share that breaking news with my husband. APK whisper in my ear 12:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • What an enormous loser. Also, I'M NOT GAY! Drmies (talk) 16:08, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • That interview with Shaud Williams is still totally cringeworthy: "we have no one like that on the team". One of my friends was on the field for that game, and apparently it was worse than the clip even suggests. Drmies (talk) 16:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking care of our dear friend, and yes, that clip is awkward. (I laughed and cringed) APK whisper in my ear 16:42, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
File:Chick meets alligators.jpg
Must be how Drmies feels at times

Atsme☯Consult 20:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Dr Mice likes "Alabama ham" with his gator-eggs? Don't worry Doc, you're probably just a gayer. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:31, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What is a "Bumblefoot" ? Hafspajen (talk) 20:39, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- That's the feeling you get when you unwittingly add something to an article that six other editors have atready taken out. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, but I respect Drmies, and don't want my little pokes of fun to be misconstrued. And I especially don't want anything I've included for the purpose of bringing a smile to this happy place to be misrepresented. Atsme☯Consult 21:41, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Hafspajen (talk) 22:47, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A smile?! Goodness me, that's the last thing we need. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

An Elegant Company Playing Music[edit]


7+6 Found this on User:The Interior talk page. Had to share it.

21:09, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hafspajen (talk) 21:32, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hafspajen, any idea why Safari won't play videos and audio on Wikipedia, but Firefox will? It's really irritating. Atsme☯Consult 21:42, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Because Elizabeth Green the Stork Woman has forbidden it. Hafspajen (talk) 22:45, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, is that really Jimbo singing?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Ploughing in the Nivernais[edit]

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 22:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

thanks[edit]

glad you pinged LoS ... I wanted her view, but wasn't sure I should ask. — Ched :  ?  00:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ched, what made you hesitate? You can always ask me! LadyofShalott 17:43, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Mainly because I never see you in anything even the least bit controversial. You always just go about improving the project. :) (and thank you for your comments!) — Ched :  ?  17:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hah, that's because since I don't care for the fighting that occurs, I just tend to avoid those areas. :) That said, I'll reiterate: if you want my opinion on something, always ask! If I'd rather not get into it, I'll say so. LadyofShalott 17:52, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You know, I just saw a job posting in Knoxville, I am going to try and get it so we can all hang out more (don't worry Ched, I will stop in on my way down there). :) --kelapstick(bainuu) 18:10, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Knoxville is a great town, unless you have asthma. Drmies (talk) 18:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fortunately I don't. The best pizza I ever had was when I was traveling through Knoxville, we spent the night on our way to Florida. Pity I cant remember the name of the place, although that was probably 25 years ago.--kelapstick(bainuu) 20:47, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't visited Knoxville in a long time, but go for it! LadyofShalott 20:51, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Deletion of Page Angry_Engineers_Entertainment[edit]

Re: Page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Angry_Engineers_Entertainment, please see the page talk page for a reason why it should not have been deleted; I was also given absolutely no time or indication before the page was deleted to actually contest it. Citation: http://store.steampowered.com/app/243300/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nommyface (talk • contribs) 00:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry, that's not enough of a reason. Existence does not equal notability. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 00:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Notability? Various articles around the internet reference the game. Rock Paper Shotgun: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/07/08/space-station-titanic-centration/ / PC Gamer: http://www.pcgamer.com/the-early-access-report-contraption-maker-broforce-and-centration/ / The first game on Steam using Unreal Engine 4 that's available for Linux: http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6857821-But-is-it-on-Linux/ Gaming On Linux: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/centration-fps-space-simulation-released-on-steam-for-linux.3437 - I can also come up with -VARIOUS- other pages on Wikipedia with smaller companies with even less significant games on Steam; and will gladly provide a list of necessary - delete them all or put the page back up.
      • I don't do ultimatums, but I'll do advice. Rewrite your article and submit it through WP:AFC, and when you do, put all your references in. Whether any of them count as reliable sources, and whether any of those mentions constitute significant discussion, I'll leave that for you to decide. Drmies (talk) 01:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • I was working on adding the references and formatting the page correctly when it was deleted. Like I said, I was given essentially no time to contest or even update the page before it was deleted; I thought you (or page patrollers) were supposed to observe a minimum time before you go all elitist egotistical delete crazy? You know nothing of this subject by your comments, so why are you even in a position to judge the notability of a game developer? nommyface
          • Yeah, good question. Now, I gave you some valuable advice; go spent your time writing up a draft. And next time, consider writing something decent before submitting it. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 01:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
            • Nommyface, if I may offer my advice (as an angry engineer). The article was tagged quite soon after creation (probably too soon I will grant you, and I will discuss that with the editor in question), however the page was deleted about a half hour after it was created, which is generally long enough to sit before being deleted. As Drmies says, you should recreate the article through Articles for Creation, and have it reviewed prior to submission. You should also stop calling people names, it isn't very nice. I would be happy to restore and move the article for you (if it hasn't been done already). --kelapstick(bainuu) 02:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
              • Thank you Kelapstick, I'm sorry for reverting to childish behaviour; kind of up to my eyeballs in a lot of different things at the moment. I'd like to have it restored - however I'll work on a new article that's done up properly before. Can I confirm the process for doing this so I don't get yelled at again?
              • K, thank you for being so much nicer than me. Nommyface, my apologies. Drmies (talk) 02:21, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
                • Not at all, I owe you a jar of our mustard pickles. --kelapstick(bainuu) 02:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
                  • You don't have to apologize for anything, I'm sorry for being rather rude about the whole situation; it's kind of more than a little insulting to have everything I've been working towards for the past two years called 'not notable'.

I have taken the liberty of restoring and moving the page to Draft:Angry Engineers Entertainment, the article is not suitable as it sits now, it needs much more in the way of referencing in reliable sources, you should also have a read of referencing for beginers, which explains how to reference the article. Cheers, --kelapstick(bainuu) 02:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sidebar[edit]

  • On a related note, know what an engineer uses for birth control? His personality. I'm here all week, try the veal. --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I hope you get that extra tool so you can oversight your jokes. Nice to see you again, K. Been too long. Drmies (talk) 01:15, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your thoughts on resolving the impasse at Landmark Worldwide[edit]

I responded to your comments at the Landmark talk page - I probably should have pinged you. I was wondering what you saw as a good avenue for resolving the long-running dispute there. Mediation was recently offered, but many editors ignored or refused the offer. Your thoughts would be appreciated! Nwlaw63 (talk) 14:46, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have no experience with mediation. I always hope for common sense--like with this NRM thing. Let's be reasonable: it's found in reliable sources, plenty of them, it's valid article content, it has a place--a minor place, but still--in the lead. And then we can move on. Drmies (talk) 19:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion needed[edit]

Hello, you left me a note a couple weeks ago about revering vandalize... Anyway, you're the only admin I've run into. I was wondering if you could give me some advice. Last week, Wikipedia:CYCLING started working on replacing our notability guidelines. However, a couple editors refused to listen to my points and the dialogue devolved. Could you look at the conversation and give me feedback. Was I too harsh? It's probably not your specialty, but I'd like to know. Maybe I'm not fit for Wikipedia? Buzzards-Watch Me Work (talk) 20:03, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yeah, well, that's a long discussion. A minimum number of words or sources requirement isn't going to work; it doesn't work that way anywhere on Wikipedia (for better or for worse). I agree that "Creating solid/well cited pages are better than nonreferenced stubs" but that can easily clash with any notability guideline. Now, if someone won something in Andorra, does that make them notable? First of all, liquor and cigarettes weren't taxed last time in Andorra, so I'd go there by car and load up. Second, well, yeah--since the sports projects have decided to fetishize nationhood, they have to come up with a rule that applies fairly to different countries (and then they can plant their ugly and inappropriate flags all over the place).

    Now, I read all the way to the "let's start voting" bit--what's the problem? Is it about whether or not someone finished a Grand Tour? If that's the only reason to reject a proposal with many more elements, well, it's your right I suppose. And excluding national champions if they're from a small country begs the question of what "small" is--it's undefinable. If Basqueland ever comes to exist, you're talking about a minute country with a lot of great climbers. Plus, the systemic bias point that Lugnuts brought up is very valid: no one should want to build notability guidelines on "what size is your country". (Well, my country may be small, but my pilum is stronger than your sternum, that Roman guy from Asterix might say.) Telling them you're talking to children is probably never a good idea (though I believe Lugnuts drew first blood on that page).

    See, you made your point, but no one accepts it. We can't force someone into agreement and, as an administrator and an old-time editor who has, for instance, closed lots of RfCs, at this point your opponents really have the stronger arguments (sorry--I'm an equal opportunity offender...); calling them children will make it only less likely that they'll see things your way. You win some, you lose some: it seems you're losing this one. Sorry, but I know how it feels--it's not a great feeling. Thanks, and good luck, Drmies (talk) 21:46, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Northern Virginia? Must be a nice bike-riding place... Drmies (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was tying to exclude all national championships; the U.S. to Andorra (so we exclude bias). Only the Worlds and/or Olympics are level placing fields... But it doesn't matter anymore. Thanks for your opinion; it was very detailed. You seem like a very reasonable admin...
NVA is great for biking and running, but the snow is annoying... Need to shovel my driveway... Have a great day. Buzzards-Watch Me Work (talk) 22:16, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if you wanted to exclude them all (did I misread?), that's a kind of fairness--but if it's on the ground that they're not equal, then the charge of systemic bias is applicable again. Anyway, I think there's no way you're going to get national championships excluded: it's the way of the worlds, in sports as well as in singing contests... Drmies (talk) 04:54, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you did. I think you and Lugnuts had the same thought... I'm outnumbered 2 to 1, so it doesn't matter. Thanks, Buzzards-Watch Me Work (talk) 06:00, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That pesky Lugnuts. BWMW - Find me any lengthy discussion about guidance/policy change where there is a 100% consensus from everyone, and I'll be an Andorran's uncle. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • You missed that RfC on whether "Jimbo is an enlightened leader" should be in his article? Drmies (talk) 17:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your equal-opportunity offence[edit]

Thank you for your comments and taking the time to look back into the Landmark article and AE threads. I'll gladly accept anything you throw in my direction, as long as it improves the project. Enjoy your afternoon, Tgeairn (talk) 21:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting advice[edit]

Please see the following exchange on my user talk page here. I also believe it might be valuable to review the subsequent edits of this newly created account to other articles since then. In a number of ways, this seems to me to be a rather obvious sockpuppet, in a number of ways, of Tgeairn, but I think, under the circumstances, it would be best if someone other than me reviewed the matter and filed either the SPI or the AE request. John Carter (talk) 02:23, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously John? Although I must admit to laughing wholeheartedly at the mess you find yourself in, to try to blame me is complete BS. Drmies, I'll buy one for you too - call it payment for the mess. --Tgeairn (talk) 02:50, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dear John, I'm going to give you totally unasked for advice: fewer words, please, everywhere (esp. on the article talk page). Yes, I saw that editor--there's all kinds of possibilities. Maybe it's Tgeairn, or Astynax, playing the bad hand, or maybe it's the other side (your side?) playing the good hand; or maybe it's just a troll. Seriously, I saw their first edits already, including that rather odd congratulatory remark, and I don't really know what to make of it--but I'm not worrying about it much. HJ Mitchell, do you have a CU on call and do you think it's worth a fishing expedition? Because for now, Harry, you're going to have to play the part of the uninvolved admin--I think I gave that up, though I will claim to be an uninvolved editor here. Y'all, settle down. John, Tgeairn, we're going to have to get along. I think I like you both well enough, but all of this is too much. You two, with the very capable assistance of a lot of other editors of course, have filled up 30 archived pages of talk page discussion, and it's beyond...well, it's two steps beyond. John, I think you know Tgeairn isn't the worst; Tgeairn, yeah, I'll take it, but no porter please. Drmies (talk) 04:36, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • After reading both of y'all's talk page histories and comments, phew, I hope you're enjoying this, cause it's not fun for the rest of us. John Carter, that "warning" was...not a warning. Tgeairn, drop .50 in the sarcasm jar on the way out. If you all keep this up, someone might think that both of you are too caught up on the topic to the point where a. you can't be trusted to edit articles in this topic area objectively and b. y'all's animosity is becoming disruptive--like, I missed a couple of Nightly jokes because I was reading all this stuff. Please. Drmies (talk) 04:43, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dr. M, I swear y'all been in Alabama too long. Next thing we know y'all be feedin' us them grits. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:46, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I swear it's time to get out of here. Our State Supreme Court just turned back the clock, as you may have heard via carrier pigeon. This story was on the radio this morning (did you hear it, Tide rolls?); heartbreaking. I can't believe how callous politicians can be--nor can I believe how we (well, "we"--I have taxation but no representation) keep voting the bastards in office that profit from what is essentially wage slavery. In other news, apparently I'm a state socialist now. Drmies (talk) 15:54, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Cripers. A remnant of the old federal system... too much bureaucracy in place to actually standardize the worker's comp. Also, "Some states even put a value on the loss of a testicle."... So a big toe is worth money, but a testicle is not in some states? I wonder if their “schedule of benefits” was anatomically correct. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:34, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have not seen that story, Professor. The best I can come up with is...wow. Tiderolls 16:50, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • It made me realize that I'm lucky to be in a job with low risk. Oh, from another recent NPR series: the job with the highest rate of work-related injury...drum roll...nursing! Drmies (talk) 17:00, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Incomplete DYK nomination[edit]

Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Maria José Martínez-Patiño at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 06:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Nominated a few templates away under the same date is a sex-changing fish. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, shoot, I forgot to list it again??? Thanks Mandarax... Drmies (talk) 15:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies hard at work[edit]

What witchcraft is this?
  • Bleh. I'm grading midterms. Fool that I am, with three literature classes and nothing but essay-style exams. Drmies (talk) 15:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unsubstantiated claims of harassment[edit]

Hello,

On my talk page you left a nasty message saying that I was leaving people "sh***y remark". A couple of things: I don't appreciate you cursing at me on my talk page. I'm sure you can think up a much better and professional way of leaving feedback than cursing at other editors. Second, can you please outline to me what part of my comment constitutes "harassment". Thank you for your time I am sure you are a very busy editor! James "J.J." Evans, Jr. (talk) 16:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is a shitty comment if I ever saw one. I find it far more offensive than naughty words. Chillum 17:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I had no idea that we were going to evaluate comments based in the court of who follows your personal webpage. Is that standard operating procedure on wikipedia? I think it's pretty obvious what the outcome is going to be. Very well. I'm sorry that the comments were "shitty", according to you and people with a vested interest in your talk page. However, I'm a bit confused. How exactly am I harassing, intimidating, and humiliating another editor? On my page you called the comment "borderline harassment", but now I see that the same comment (which you have yet to explain how it is borderline harassment when responding to baiting comments) has suddenly grown into full-blown harassment, intimidation, and humiliation? It seems those accusations quickly escalated in severity when I try to talk them out with you. James "J.J." Evans, Jr. (talk) 17:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think if you did a bit of research instead of assuming we are all buddies protecting each other you would realize that Drmies and I do in fact disagree from time to time and that I have no compulsion to support him. I called your comment shitty because it was a shitty thing to say. If you don't see how mocking someone who has been harassed is a form of harassment then you will just have to believe other people when they tell you that it is. Chillum 17:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Whether you are all "buddies" or not, you clearly have a vested interest in watching his talk page and posting within 10 minutes of a question being raised. I can hardly be blamed for finding it suspicious, considering you yourself said the following on your talk page: "if you show up anonymously and jump right into a heated debate and favor one side strongly then you can expect people to give you less credence." While you may not be anonymous in this case, the sentiment still rings true.
As far as 'harassment' goes, you can argue that it was an unkind comment given to an unkind comment in turn, or inappropriate, but claiming that the comment is a "form of harassment" is really stretching the word harassment to its most liberal interpretation. Most definitions, including the one on Wikipedia's policy page, claim it must be repetitive in nature. Calling strong disagreement and dismissal of someone's claims of off-site harassment after they tauntingly tell you they didn't read your post does not meet any of that criteria. Ironically enough I find it more harassing that Drmies repeatedly uses profanity towards me when requested not to, threatens to block my account, and involves other unrelated persons in disagreements over Wikipedia policy but I doubt anyone with a vested interest in this talk page will see that point of view. James "J.J." Evans, Jr. (talk) 17:33, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Chillum, for some reason I couldn't come up with the word, but that's what it is: "mocking": thank you. James Evans, you sought me out here on my talk page, which lots of people watch--some agree with me, some don't. You did that after you mocked someone on the most public of all Wikipedia pages (well, after the front page I suppose). You're then pretending you don't know what was so insulting in your comment.

Sorry, but that sort of belittling, we should have outgrown it, and I am perfectly happy to let this all go, and to remove this entire thread from my talk page, if I can get some recognition of some kind that I don't have to look at more such comments from you. I understand that the context was a website where I guess anything goes, but this is not that kind of website, and while there is little we can do about off-site harassment, we certainly take it seriously, as seriously as we can. Chillum and I may have different understandings on what counts as a blockable insult, and in which context (Lord knows we have plenty of differences of opinion), but we both wish this place to be safe in the sense that someone does not get mocked in public. BTW, Kelapstick, who agreed on my qualification of your comment, is also an administrator. Three different admins in one thread is kind of like a classroom full of monkeys with typewriters, but in this case they all typed the same word.

After your comment: you are more than welcome to bring my supposed harassment of you up at ANI, where someone without any vested interest in me is quite likely to point you to WP:BOOMERANG. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 17:39, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re-read my comments. I never argued that it wasn't insulting or mocking. I'm also not sure why you're quoting "pretending" as I've been forward about exactly what the comment was. I asked you to clarify how it was borderline harassment, which as linked previously has a specific definition on Wikipedia. You then decided to escalate the accusation to declaring I was full-blown harassing, intimidating, and humiliating another user. If you want to threaten someone with blocking and cite policy then it shouldn't come at a surprise when an editor defends themself and asks for you to show them how they violated the policy you're citing. There is a clear line between snarky comments, as you've certainly gotten in on this page and my personal talk page, and harassment which I do not believe I crossed and you've failed to demonstrate, and I think you've come to realize as well. In regards to removing this discussion you're more than welcome to move on with your life, as I certainly will be. I'm not sure what kind of 'guarantee' you want from me but I feel it's entirely unnecessary. If you want to be hot on my wikipedia trail and trawl through my comments looking for something to block me for or the opening to leave more profanity on my page then be my guest, you're free to spend your leisure time however you like. James "J.J." Evans, Jr. (talk) 18:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RfA needs closing[edit]

Hi-I need an admin to close Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/superkid761 as way WP:TOOSOON. Could you? Thanks, Origamiteⓣⓒ 18:09, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean WP:NOTNOW, and it's not transcluded yet, so it's not that big a deal (in fact, you probably shouldn't have voted yet, but that is neither here nor there). --kelapstick(bainuu) 18:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. Yes, that's what I meant. I just looked at the guy's contribs, sorry. Origamiteⓣⓒ 18:21, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, it needs a crat; I hear Writ Keeper is back in town again. Superkid was one of my top candidates though. Drmies (talk) 18:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I see that Yunshui took care of it already, so that's cool. I'm not as who should say back in town; I just get curious from time to time about what's going on from all the emails I still get. Incidentally, I'm not a 'crat anymore; once local renames stopped being a thing, there wasn't much point for me to be one (aside from closing RfAs, which I hated doing, because who am I to judge?). So I turned it in; seems a bit silly to hang on to a thing I have no plans to use. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:50, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • That's all kind of sluttish, WK--bailing out on us after you had your fill. Don't call us in the morning. Hey, I didn't know you stepped down but you're right. Well, I hope you will continue to visit; I always enjoyed your company. Drmies (talk) 00:49, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is or Is NOT canvassing?[edit]

Hey Drmies, If I message all of the active members of a particular project and ask them to read and comment on a proposal, is that WP:CANVASSing and against policy or is that an acceptable practice? I'm not sure how often the core of the membership checks the Talk page. Thanks, --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:32, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, there's always someone who can find fault with what one does. If you have an objective, measurable rationale for "active", sure--like, "everyone who's contributed to a project talk page in the last six months" or something like that. Or, "everyone who signed their name on the list". If it is something you can point at, and that something is not like "all those who said 'yes' to proposal X" (duh), then you should be fine. And make sure your message is neutral, of course. Rock on, Drmies (talk) 19:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, that's my intention. All 80-some members on the active list for the Firearms Project will get a message asking to come to the Talk page, read the proposal, and comment. That's about it. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 19:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please tell me the message is going to start with "pew-pew". --kelapstick(bainuu) 19:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
LOL, sorry, no... :) --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 20:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No väl[edit]

I know when I am not wanted anymore .... Hafspajen (talk) 20:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry Hafs, but I am interested in bringing the temperature down, not up. Drmies (talk) 21:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another day[edit]

Totally in agreement with your comment to 'leave it for another day'. I'm sorry if we got at cross purposes over the 'freely pursues' issue. DaveApter (talk) 20:03, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disagreement is fine; I disagree with that original motivation and the argument, but we're all adults and I'm sure we can figure all this out. Thanks for your note Dave, Drmies (talk) 21:27, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Hi could you please clarify the 20 bucks thing was in jest? Also have I made any mistakes with my ban proposal? 84.51.131.252 (talk) 21:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Of course that was in jest. No one pays me for what I do. It's their loss, I know. I don't have an opinion on that proposal--I haven't looked at it, but Chillum is on the case, and he's known for knowing what he's talking about. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Bieber on Twitter, I can see "Oh, I'll bet you ten bucks it'll be no consensus, and if it ends in "delete" and I lose ten bucks I will gladly PayPal you the money". Although if you've bought the album I'm happy to call it quits. ;-) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:08, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'd give Philip Glass ten bucks to turn that page into an opera. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:10, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Ritchie, who would have thunk that Fram would come by and lay the smack down (for which I'm still grateful). The other AfD had the misfortune of running into Scottywong, also a layer down of smack (of all kinds). Drmies (talk) 20:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My thanks[edit]

Thank you Doc. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:28, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

allkpop.com[edit]

Based on "allkpop is a celebrity gossip site which publishes rumors and conjecture in addition to accurately reported facts. Information on this site may or may not be true and allkpop makes no warranty as to the validity of any claims", I can't see any case where this site should be used as a source. Got a strong opinion?—Kww(talk) 20:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Allkpop is awful and should never be used, and it isn't even the worst of them. It reprints gossip and material written by SM and the other entertainment companies. The expert is Shinyang-i, who has taken the bull by the horns on one of the project pages (Shinyang-i, can you point Kww in the right direction?). If I'm not mistaken Shinyang got a consensus from somewhere that Allkpop is discredited as a reliable sources, which has huge consequences for the K-pop articles, their sourcing, and the included material--as you may know, or as you can guess, the fan's argument for the inclusion of every single factoid is "well it's sourced". Also in the know is Materialscientist, who has dealt administratively with the darker side of K-pop editing. This is my word of warning to you, unfortunately. Drmies (talk) 20:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Isn't even the worst of them"? Seems like a job for the site blacklist. I wandered across some of these while working on the BLP cesspool consisting of every article named "List of awards and nominations received by ...".—Kww(talk) 21:10, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Are they awards like Best album by a band with a hyphen in their name? Because, given my limited experience with K-pop, that sounds accurate. --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Or maybe, Best trainee singer. --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:41, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My contribution to the cause. --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm worn out from a full day but tomorrow I'll be back with something intelligent(?) to say. There are issues with all the awards pages, and actually allkpop has been on the "non-reliable source" list of WP:KOREA since before I came along. So uh yeah, more from me tomorrow. Will love to chat about this whole situation. :) Shinyang-i (talk) 05:58, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'm back, @Drmies, Kww, and Kelapstick:. This is gonna be long, and maybe this belongs at WP:KOREA, but the last time I tried to bring this up I got called a lot of names and accused of some bad things. If you guys wanna join in conversations there, as people who aren't kpop-brainwashed, that would be excellent. For now, in order to avoid this getting lost in Drmies' very active talk page, may I invite you over to my deserted talk page? This is a conversation I really want to have. Shinyang-i (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Taiko FAC[edit]

Hey Drmies. I've been informed that this 2nd FAC for the article on Taiko is going to close shop unless I can find someone to spot check the sources to ensure that they accurately support the claims in the article. There is a notice at the top of the FAC page, but I figured I'd ask around to see if you were interested. If you're busy, it's no big deal. Thanks, I, JethroBT drop me a line 21:14, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, I don't mind, but it's seriously nap time right now, and there's all kinds of other stuff this afternoon that will keep me occupied. If there's no rush, I can have a look maybe tomorrow, maybe Monday... Drmies (talk) 21:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks. I suspect the coordinators won't have a problem with that, I'll just let them know. Enjoy your serious nap.  :) I, JethroBT drop me a line 21:23, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Irish language in Britain for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Irish language in Britain is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish language in Britain until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

DYK for Lulu Wang[edit]

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 11:57, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thirsty, Herr Doktor?[edit]

Water .... before it was successfully marketed by Genesis 1:21

[3] EEng (talk) 03:54, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Herr Doktor Goebbels? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:13, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Das ist nicht lustig! EEng (talk) 11:06, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Blimey! And the complainant didn't know it was "unser giftzweg" who was the "doktor"? I read the Fanta story in "For God, Country, and Coca-Cola" years ago; how they made some kind of ersatz drink and held a staff competition to name it. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 14:04, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Brrr, such an ugly color for a soft drink (the US version). I had no idea there were this many colors and flavors; you two should do the 100 Ways to Play!: 52 is made for you. Drmies (talk) 14:34, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not getting the "52" reference. EEng (talk) 18:56, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well I clicked on the link and it said "Number 17: Schitter als een diamant". No thanks, I've still got scars from the last time I shat one. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Schitter" = "sparkle". No. 52 is where you and your friend get into a XXL shirt together and take a selfie. Drmies (talk) 19:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I keep telling myself to unwatch this page, but it exerts a strange, inexplicable fascination. EEng (talk) 19:34, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've got the shirt, now I've just got to find Twiggy. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:56, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wait... shirt or shit? EEng (talk) 05:07, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Try WP:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_February_17# Category:Caterpillars_that_resemble_Twiggy. EEng (talk) 21:14, 9 March 2015 (UTC) Herr Doktor, can you please close the ridulous discussion immeidately next down in the log?[reply]
Sorry, don't know how to close a CfD. :) Drmies (talk) 01:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I see "Fanta Nazi" now gets 295,000 Google hits. So expect a new wiki article any time soon. Meanwhile.... over in quieter corners... this guy is still waiting for his Oranje hit..... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There ought to be a DYK in this, no? Why don't you make the rounds of the lowlife sources you're so accustomed to, let us know what you find, and we'll have a right jolly article? As I recall the campaign made the mistake of invoking "The Good Old Days" or something. That'd make a great hook. EEng (talk) 01:59, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Blimey, someone's nicked my stash!! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:48, 10 March 2015 (UTC) ..... Obergruppenführer La Rue in action[reply]
That Herr Doktor dustup has proven most fertile. EEng (talk) 20:32, 10 March 2015 (UTC) [reply]

Ray L. Watts[edit]

I am trying to add clarification to a bio. Although I do work for the institution represented by this individual, a review of the requested edit should reveal it does not inject bias, but provides for clarification where bias may be inferred.

For the bio of Ray L. Watts, Neurology section.

It now states: In response, the authors of the papers stated that they strongly disagreed with the editor's conclusions, and believe the focus of the two papers are different. The authors also say that the primary author was not aware of the acceptance of the earlier paper during submission of the second paper. The authors state that the Neurology paper was accepted October 24, 2006, and the Archives paper was submitted in December of 2006. The authors did admit "in retrospect, we should have notified the Archives about the complementary article in Neurology" .[9]

I'd like to insert the explanation " Specifically “While the original article reported the primary efficacy and safety results of the SP 512 Transdermal Rotigotine Phase 3 Pivotal Clinical Trial in Early Parkinson's Disease, the second article focused on the secondary outcome variables and plasma pharmacokinetics of rotigotine administered once daily via a novel transdermal delivery system.” between the first and second sentences.

As now presented the similiarity of the titles of the two articles — which are included — may be misleading without the context. The quote is taken directly from the referenced, footnoted article. Lfgunter (talk) 19:07, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please see the Lady's edit summary, here. The article talk page is really for discussing this matter. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 19:31, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

REVDEL request[edit]

Messaging you since I know you're active at the moment. Would you kindly consider REVDELing these edits per WP:CRD#2? Thank you. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 20:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sure thing--I got confused and only did the one; HJ Mitchell did the rest. Second time I'm confused: time to bail out. Drmies (talk) 20:02, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you!!!! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 20:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

'Vissersvrijage'[edit]

File:'Vissersvrijage' Rijksmuseum SK-A-1181.jpeg

What is 'Vissersvrijage'. Hafspajen (talk) 22:18, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Haha, that's lovely. "Vissers" is here both a plural and a genitive--"pertaining to fisherpeople". "Vrijage" is, well, fancy: "vrij" is derived from "vrijen", meaning "make love to" in the old-fashioned way, including the courtship part, and "-age" is the fancy French-derived suffix that makes an abstract noun from a verb. So, "Courtship between fisherpeople" or something like that, haha. Drmies (talk) 22:41, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, than it's a playing around with words. No wonder it didn't translated. Shall I put "Courtship between fisherpeople"as a title for the painting? It's at Albert Neuhuys . Hafspajen (talk) 22:58, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm not surprised. No, "fisherpeople" is acceptable only in my household. But "fishermen" strikes me as wrong. "Fishy love"? Martijn Hoekstra surely knows what to do. Drmies (talk) 23:04, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is the "vissers"; I don't know what to do with that.
I can't put Fishy Love as a subtitle... be serious. Do something yourself, article Albert Neuhuys. Hafspajen (talk) 23:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Commandeer je hondje en blaf zelf! Drmies (talk) 23:17, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is the "vissers"; I don't know what to do with that. Drmies (talk) 23:20, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am not commanding you... merely was asking to take a look at the article. Hafspajen (talk) 23:26, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Lake Como - 'The Fishermans Fancy' or Dog taxi
Exacly - From that time on, Neuhuys completely devoted himself to drawing and painting needed to be fixed . Hafspajen (talk) 23:39, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Vissersmeisje AND Israels: two for the price of one.
Makes me think of the Dutch version of the Italian song O Marenariello - Het Visermeisje. Too bad there's no article on the nl site. SlightSmile 01:11, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sippy likes the dog taxi best. I prefer the cool dog. Drmies (talk) 01:17, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oje né, fa' priesto viene!
nun mme fá spantecá...
ca pure 'a rezza vène
ch'a mare stó' a mená...Hafspajen (talk) 01:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've never heard that song. There's audio on the interwebz but one of my kids made me turn it off since it interferes with their AFV watching. "Ik hou van Holland" is a classic, of course. Drmies (talk) 01:46, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You could consider dropping the plural. If you go for something like 'The Fishermans Fancy' or 'A Fishermans Flirt', you also retain the alliteration. To me, courtship feels overly formal for vrijage, which sounds more playful to me, but that could just be me. Off course, turning to singular would reinforce the sexist notion that the fancying and/or flirting is done primarily by the male in this picture, but then again, I doubt the painter intended for her to be a visser. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 08:01, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reminds me, when I was in high school, I called one girl a "cold hard fish". It... didn't end well. But at least there were no trouts around.
On a completely unrelated note, I am now transcribing a Dutch-language poem and getting confused by all the k's and jt's and what not. "Ik heb ... ik vind nog een knopje van vreugde" or whatnot. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Watch out for the ij. I think I've seen my name spelt as Martjin more than as Martijn on Wikipedia. Apparently it's tricky. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:37, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Crisco 1492, I'm interested in that poem of yours. Also, I think Martijn and I both know what is meant by that "knopje van vreugde"--and if you can't figure it out, re-read the last stanza of Keats's Ode on Melancholy. Drmies (talk) 15:10, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd blame y'all for the diagraphs and diphthongs the Indonesians use, but if y'all hadn't brought them here, I'd be stuck learning Arabic calligraphy. So... thanks? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:05, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Warning: Unsuitable for use as gift-horse!
WEll, I took The Fishermans Fancy. Hafspajen (talk) 12:38, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. That puts all the agency with him. Drmies (talk) 15:08, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It does, which gave me pause as well. Grammatically vissers could be plural genitive or singular genitive (compare: Sint-Janskerk), and in this modern, enlightened society we know better than that fishermen would presumably be a male occupation, or that fancying is would be an act undertaken by men and undergone by women, so we would assume this is plural. But in the context of the painting and its time frame, I find it very unlikely that the young women depicted would be a fisherperson (if it's acceptable in your household, I deem it by extension acceptable on your talkpage). If it is a vissersvrijage, and she is not a visser, then the original title itself puts the agency with him. I might be overthinking this. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:36, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Martijn, I also doubt that the girl is a fisherwoman the way the man is a fisherman, but what's being depicted here is "courtship in the culture of the fishing community". This calls for a proposal for an Erasmus grant; we need to solve this. Oh, you may have an opinion on this: the other day I had to be friendly with someone who was a Feijenoord fan... Drmies (talk) 00:55, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The best thing to do is to simply remind them they managed to only score once against Willem II while Willem II was bribed to lose with a two point difference. While chances are they will continue to be a Feijenoord fan - apparently reason has little to do with it - they will almost certainly not mention it again. Also, translating things is hard but fun. I'll trust you'll do the paperwork on the filing for the grant? My knowledge of academic affairs falls short, unfortunately. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:02, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Die Suarez kon ook geen potten breken in de "andere" wedstrijd. Drmies (talk) 14:16, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Fisherman Fenestrates for Fair Maiden's Favor"? -- (best I could do). EEng (talk) 15:15, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Arts Award[edit]

The Fine Arts Allegory Award
For writing up so many art articles Hafspajen (talk) 13:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Revisions to Mirnes Pepic[edit]

Hello, I am Bato Lumbardhaj (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) I was wondering t why you made revisions to the page Mirnes Pepić ? Under what conditions do we deem these changes as "unacceptable " ? Especially when reverting the article back to the previous changes that were done by [[[User:Zoupan|Zoupan]] (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) that are clearly solely based on biased revisions? I have discussed with the creator of the page ( which isnt you or Mr. Zoupan) and we have come to terms where I will provide evidence and references to the revision that I have made. My references will be based not by some generic online articles that could be written by anyone... But, by personal interview from Mr. Pepaj himself. You see my dear friend, we are actually family friends and his father is from the same village as my father. When Mirnes Pepaj saw that serbian nationals on wiki where editing his page ( vandalism maybe ?), he made it clear that he wanted the story set straight. Thus I have been attempting to get the appropriate information to reference and cite the revisions I have made. Can you say the same for the "undoing" that was done by yourself to the article, or by Mr. Zoupan himself who edits based on nationalistic biased beliefs ? A person with a credible history such as yourself ( apparent form your user page) is a very reliable source, and as such should perform their due diligence before embarking on endeavors that could cause ethnic tensions. Cheers Bato The Illyrian (talk) 18:31, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hello Bato Lumbardhaj--as counterintuitive as it may sound, neither you nor I are reliable sources for anything, no matter our editing history or our family history. Only what's published in reliable sources counts. Now, you cannot simply reinsert that information in there. First of all, the claim that he's of Albanian descent (whatever that may mean) needs a reliable source but, just as important, so do claims such as "Due to prosecution and discrimination, Pepaj's family have left Tuzi and moved to Podgorica in order to evade being subjected". All kinds of suggestions are being made there about politics and they cannot stand without verification; in addition, claims about living people (not just the subject but also, apparently, his brother) need verification, and our WP:BLP policy dictates that this contentious material (it is contentious) cannot stand without proper sourcing. So we need newspaper articles, for instance.

    I don't know Zoupan, and I don't know why they made the edit, but policy-wise it was the correct decision. You're going to have to argue your case on the talk page and I hope you have the proper sources: good luck! Drmies (talk) 19:09, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Suspicion of Sock-Puppetry[edit]

Warning icon Hello Drmies, as you have so requested I did welcome myself to inquire as why you intruded in my userpage and inquired on an article you know very little about and threatened to block me. I am very suspicious as to your relations with user Zoupan. I am a major soccer enthusiast and happen to know from previous reports as to Mirnes Pepic biography, and as I explained, will cite the references. User Zoupan erased my revisions very un-professionally and I have been awaiting patiently to gather up my sources. So why did you intervene ? It was not necessary.

This is a warning to please not threaten other so arrogantly; don't let the "power" of being a "wiki editor" get to you head. Don't fool yourself. I also need to know if this is a form of sock puppetry ? Are you the same user as Zoupan ? Cheers and thank you for understanding. Duro se po vim ! (talk) 20:27, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Eh, no, I am not the same as Zoupan, I suppose--I never checked. Also, I am an administrator here, and I take the BLP very seriously. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:32, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Louise Sophie Blussé[edit]

A picture of Puttershoek for you.

I thought Louise Sophie Blussé, another Dutch woman writer's bio, might interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:22, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hmm--see, that's what I like about Wikipedia: you learn something new every day. Haha, Zwijndrecht, I always found that that funniest placename in the country. And that Christian sect, that's fascinating! Drmies (talk) 03:27, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK Rosiestep, we have to write up Maria Leer. Drmies (talk) 04:16, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Louise was created on the 11th (and the other 2 thereafter), so by the 16th, we'll have to get the nom in. If you feel like doing that, go for it, if not, I'll take care of it. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:58, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think we got a lot done in a short period of time: creating articles about 3 people and 1 religious sect. I'll work on QPQs today/tomorrow. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • That picture is almost surreal. Drmies (talk) 02:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seems like a pretty cool place for them to have lived. Just one more place I had never heard of before working on these articles. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:49, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Thanks! I had no idea the Belgians had a Zwijndrecht too--no wonder they're such happy people. Drmies (talk) 14:00, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • …and they've got a Huy too, which causes Russians much merriment. Out of curiosity I checked the while/whilst business- it appears that the dialects in the area I live in uses them the opposite way round to other areas, and whilst is not used at all in American English. "Whilst you're at it". Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:27, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Bertie Bassett
Wootton Bassett
  • Ha, as it happens I know someone from Huy! An action painter, who took "Huy" as his last name for artistic purposes. Drmies (talk) 20:11, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... elegant.. Shall I cange name? Huyfspajen (talk) 23:57, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OR:: Van Huyfspajen (talk) 28:57, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Mat (Russian profanity)- "The first volume of the Great Dictionary of Mat by the Russian linguist and folklorist Alexei Plutser-Sarno treats only expressions with the stem хуй (khuy), numbering over 500 entries; 12 volumes are planned." Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:04, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How very peculiar. Hafspajen (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What happened to Yngvadottir's page? Wanted to add a tune to that Art-award and it is blank. Hafspajen (talk) 21:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's not blank any more. ..... .... .... ... silence. Hafspajen (talk) 21:52, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Yep. I was considering talking her out of it but didn't have the heart. Drmies (talk) 23:35, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Stop being so ... arr and go and TALK: Hafspajen (talk) 23:37, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's a shame[edit]

You've done so much for Wikipedia with your contributions, however, you have now been reported for abuse. You are targeting me, and who knows how many others. You have also now edited my personal page, not my talk page, twice without speaking to me first. Plus, you are reverting edits of mine that have been sourced on Wikipedia itself. If you continue to do this, I will report you again, and if I'm not mistaken, at that point, Wikipedia admins will have your account frozen. Please stop targeting users, attacking them, and removing their sourced edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Austin T Dalyai (talk • contribs) 14:29, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Having done a quick once-over of the apparent complaints, I have to say that I have trouble remembering any more completely groundless complaints. The editor in question seems to have little if any awareness of many of our relevant policies and guidelines, and I regret to say that if the editor in question continues making fairly transparent threats such as this one the likelihood of his being blocked is much higher than the likelihood of anything being done against Drmies himself here. John Carter (talk) 15:36, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was under the impression that Drmies was a Frau Doktor, not Herr Doktor. Have I been mistaken all this time? EEng (talk) 01:32, 12 March 2015 (UTC) I mean, not that it matters... [reply]
Meh, who cares...
(talk page stalker)(edit conflict) Drmies is correct on the user page edits; WP:TPNO includes the sort of personal attacks on Stefan2 on your user page. I can't see any faults with their choices; I check a user's contribs after I revert them, and I'd assume Drmies does too. Origamiteⓣⓒ 15:45, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:210.187.217.245[edit]

Several others along with me have tried to be cordial with this IP editor[4], but I think this Edit summary sums up their attitude [5]. It was in response to this message [6] that I left. I'm not sure that an Indef block is warranted, but your attention would be appreciated. Thanks, --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 01:13, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • No, can't indef-block an IP, but 48 hours is certainly warranted. The threat of IP hopping is very exciting, of course, and there's little we can do about it, but if need be we can always semi-protect the articles if their edits warrant it. Thanks for the note, and for trying to talk sense. Drmies (talk) 02:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

" ... since she got sick of this"[edit]

I had no idea that Yngvadottir has been struggling, or that she's apparently quit; I don't usually indulge in wiki-politics. Clearly, emotions are running high. I guess, what I mean to ask is, whether you consider your tone there to have been appropriate. Do you truly believe me to have "no standing", or was that simply something you blurted in the heat of the moment? I'm not gonna take it personally if you do; really, more than anything, it hurts my anarchist sensibilities. :-) Thankfully, there are some people who appreciate my contributions. Alakzi (talk) 03:12, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh, I'm pissed alright, and the very fact that you call someone's leaving a project to which they have dictated a fair amount of time and energy "wiki-politics" is quite telling. Yngvadottir has a thank log too, which is long, but she also has this, which gives her plenty of standing. That she would be put down as just some "biographical-article editor", whatever that may be, that sits poorly with me, and the accusation that she simply doesn't like it and therefore has no argument, that's also just a ruse. She was treated very disrespectfully, and in the end that is the project's loss. Not politics: just too much shit. Not just infobox shit, but that's part of it--well, you can read it for yourself on her talk page; no doubt you'll find that "wiki-politics" too. Drmies (talk) 03:37, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm not calling her leaving the project wiki-politics; I meant that it's caused her to leave. Being a "biographical-article editor" is not in exclusion to whatever else. I don't know what it is you're calling a ruse, exactly. If you believe my argument to be flawed, please do explain why. I've already apologised for my exact choice of words. Finally, the reason for mentioning my thanks log is that I'm appreciative of the people who've thanked me; I'm not bragging. Indeed, I'm appreciative of the sheer amount of work Yngvadottir has put into the project, as well; however, I do not believe that to be interchangeable with "standing". I'm willing to listen to other people, no matter their rank, and—certainly—without first having to trawl through their contrib log. Alakzi (talk) 03:59, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thought experiment: investigate the authorship of articles peculiar to your geographical area, noting the contributing editors who seem to have local knowledge and who edit more than one article in the range. I did, and a rough estimate is that I'm one of three in a population approaching half a million. If you ask the question "Can more people be attracted to editing" the answer is "Nah, you can't- the conditions for continued editorship, which must vary from person to person, are only present in a very small subset of the population, irrespective of gender." Secondly there's the question of environment- here, there's a surfeit of cheap scholarly books available off the shelf, and a number of libraries. There's two university libraries and seventeen municipal libraries within a five mile radius of my home. Perth, Australia on the other hand has expensive books and expensive beer (and the next time I'm going there I'm taking a suitcase of books- at least the wine's cheap). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So is the "gain" from the infobox now being on an article worth the loss of an active and useful editor? That's what this whole thing is doing - the constantly having to fight for the basic concept that infoboxes are not required. And I say this as a person who almost always does put an infobox on articles I create and edit. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:04, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I do too, sometimes, and in this case I can see the benefit of having one. I said that on the talk page, but others are more interested in making rather wild and general accusations, PAs included. Seeing this in terms of a net gain presents a painful arithmetic: Yngvadottir was someone on whom one could count, as an admin and an editor. Obviously there were more things that played a part in her decision, but having her personal integrity questioned was probably the last straw. I mean, she's integer. She's the 1 to my 1/3 + 2/31 + 1.5/17 + et cetera. Drmies (talk) 17:44, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Maria José Martínez-Patiño[edit]

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:02, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Loved the irony of that one for women's month, - and you reminding us to assume good faith, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm new and trying to figure out...[edit]

Drmies, I'm relatively new here. What does this exchange mean, from my Talk Page?: @Drmies: Scottlovessue seems to be a fairly obvious sock. See User_talk:Bishonen#dude --NeilN talk to me 01:40, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Different editor, Neil; MS already blocked this IP. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:47, 4 March 2015 (UTC) You're right, I missed the little unsigned signature. --NeilN talk to me 01:50, 4 March 2015 (UTC) User:Scottlovessue

  • Eh, I remember that, but it's not on your talk page; it was on Materialscientist's. An editor thought you were a WP:SOCK of another, disruptive editor, but it turned out it was a misreading. That's all; nothing to worry about. Drmies (talk) 15:09, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Did you know nominations/Cyclone Nigel[edit]

Drmies, was Jason Rees's explanation sufficient, or is it still a problem? I'm a bit acquainted with tropical cyclone terminology and JTWC notifications, so let me know if I can help, or if I should find someone else here. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:25, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • BlueMoonset, I guess I missed the ping. I had a quick look at the response (and I can say already that I like EEng's hook fine), but I fundamentally disagree with the "self-explanatory" point, and by the same token I find the use of problematic sources to be uncomfortable; Jason Rees is just going to have to accept that a wider audience cannot read such sources the same way, with the same ease. In addition, SECONDARY teaches us, if common sense didn't, that an encyclopedia should be built with secondary sources, which have the additional benefit of usually being written for a broader audience and thus more accessible. In other words, a newspaper report or two would have sufficed, and this issue would have never come up. I'll revisit the article when I have a minute. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:47, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hang on a minute I am not stupid and I am well aware that some people will not be able every single source in the same way, but i strongly feel that the data in the JTWC ATCR is clear enough to verify what it needs too. Also while it would be ideal for a article to be written using just secondary sources, it isnt always possible and sometimes it is better to use primary sources especially when we are dealing with something like Tropical Cyclones. Also i will note that the Mariners Weather Log should be considered a secondary source - but it unfortunately does not cover the really minor thing as the JTWC designation. Jason Rees (talk) 20:11, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset, I think I'm done with this nomination. Plenty of others for me to review, plenty of reviewers for this nomination. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioned you at ANI[edit]

In case you don't receive any notification, I mentioned you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Concerning my dispute with Iryna Harpy Nil Einne (talk) 21:32, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bonus picture[edit]

  • Fantastic. Drmies (talk) 03:57, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's beautiful. This is fantastic. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:24, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have a bit of a high blood sugar right now so the thought of that is both enticing and revolting. Ha, ChildofMidnight will wonder if you're not one of his socks. Also, the latest Cook's Country has a breakfast pizza, with bacon and eggs. Hmmm.... Drmies (talk) 04:29, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Recipe: mix flour and yeast to wet slurry. Leave lying around for a bit. Slice bag-load of onions and fry in olive oil in a kahai. Fry mushrooms slowly separately. Add sweet peppers to onions, also garlic that's been prepared in some way that you think is suitable. Take several tins of tomatoes, liquidise them and heat in pan until the volume has reduced by half or two-thirds, and maybe add some sugar and do add some herbs. Add this to the onions in the kahai. Take the mixture out of the kahai before it rusts. Make the dough after a day or so. Stick the dough in an old cast-iron frying pan with the handle removed, on top of some olive oil, part-bake it and then call the fire brigade. Turn the oven up to Gas Mark MMXV, put the mix on top of the base, put cheese and any other kind of muck you like to eat on top. Now place the pre-prepared asbestos blanket over your head, open the oven door and put the pizza in. Remove after 20 seconds. Nothing burning? Good- put on your Gordon Ramsay mask, open your front door and tell the fire brigade to #### off. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:24, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Newbie .. (?)
Gosh people I am shocked. I put a nice pink giant pig on the page and all you talk about is food. How about the beauty of the lines? The elegant Composition? Even the mystical DOF Crisco likes to talk about... nothing. Hafspajen (talk) 06:51, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This page is full of pork worshipers. That pretty pink porker just got my appetite going. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:57, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, it looks like it. What is the DOF, Crisco? Dansk Ornitologisk Forening? ( Danish Ornithological Society...?)Hafspajen (talk) 13:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That Newbie Pig looks like he is an associate or member of the Danish Ornithological Society... - equipped for some hard days bird-watching. Hafspajen (talk) 02:30, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, pink pig, what you doin' uptown? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:34, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciated[edit]

Hi, Drmies. I was about to issue a trout slap to myself for my knee-jerk reaction to IP 78.68.210.173 on the relevant ANI, but you've just closed it off. I've written a lengthy comment on my own talk to him/her as to the circumstances and have left a talkback notification for that contributor.

Nevertheless, I'll be following that particular RS/N and am more than happy to continue discussion as to parsing where Western, Russian, Chinese or any other news analysis is relevant dependent on the context. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:28, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sure thing. Talking is always better than knee-jerking. As a Harpy you should know what it means to have a bad reputation. Still, I don't remove talk page posts likely, and in this cease they certainly needed to go. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:31, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't usually flap my wings and get my talons out unless I think it's merited, either. Oh, well, there are enough editors (and admins) who've been alerted as to this IP by now. If he/she wants to be "here", I'm good with assisting them with 'how to' and 'how not to' if they genuinely want to be part of the project. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:59, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
:) Drmies (talk) 05:00, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User attack page?[edit]

Hi, Drmies,
I came across Mr.User200's user page and am not sure what to think. It's kind of a hate page but against some ill-defined groups that this editor believes manipulate Wikipedia. I'm all for free speech but it seems like Mr.User200 is treading a line here that crosses NPOV. Just wanted to get your opinion on this one. Liz Read! Talk! 21:27, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's odd. Seems like a bunch of conspiracy stuff based on nothing at all except for a lack of knowledge. I don't see a specific charge or accusation, or a personal attack, and until then, I guess I don't have much of a reason to do anything. Sorry Liz--but perhaps one of the talk page stalkers has more insight. Drmies (talk) 00:45, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I had decided to pretend I didn't see it and let the actual recipient of Liz's requests deal with it... I agree with Liz the "lobby" stuff is over the line but it's a "fewer than 30" [7] page so any action I could take would just draw more attention to it. NE Ent 02:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks Ent. I think it's a bunch of complete nonsense, of course--and had names been mentioned I'd have acted on it right away. Drmies (talk) 02:23, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, it's a new account, if not a new editor, and I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Just wanted to hear a second opinion. Definitely an account to keep on my watchlist though. Thanks for checking it out. Liz Read! Talk! 02:45, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • While not polemic, it is treading on WP:WEBHOST (with a dash of soapbox thrown in) as the content is only for commentary and not directly on his work at Wikipedia. Encouragement is a better tool than deletion. I might note that it is pretty unusual for an actual new user. Impossible, in fact. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 02:54, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • For some odd reason I'm coming across more and more of this kind of thing recently. Perhaps it's not on the increase and maybe it's simply that I happen to have a highly performing watchlist, but after all these years there might just possibly be a faint argument to relax the CU rules just a tiny bit to find out how many accounts are operated by such users. 'Good hand - bad hand' accounts are not all that rare either. We may be looking at just the tip of an iceberg. Pinging Beeb on this too. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
After being around 14 years, there must have been thousands and thousands of blocked user accounts on the English Wikipedia at this point. Many are blocked merely because of WP:DUCK suspicions and not through examination of an WP:SPI. I would not be surprised at all if a blocked editor would come back a year or two later and start again with a new account. I think that would be the natural tendency of an editor wanting to put the past behind them, rather than trying to get an older account unblocked. It's too bad that, in most cases, if the creation of a new account comes to light, this account is automatically blocked as a sock regardless of whether the editor is currently being productive or not. I'm not talking about Mr.User200's case, just the general case of a blocked editor wanting to return and contribute. Liz Read! Talk! 17:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please see User:Worm That Turned/Quiet return NE Ent 17:04, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, if a blocked user realizes they messed up, sneaks back in and quietly helps I don't really have a problem with that. If they sneak back in and post a userpage full of jokes that suggest a particular group of people are fat idiots who need to die, not so much. The page as a whole may not be in violation of WP:POLEMIC but if those jokes were directed at say, Isrealis or Chinese or Nigerians I don't think anyone would assume this person was acting in good faith by posting them ont heir userpage. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:31, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it's polemic; just because the targets are groups rather than individuals doesn't change that. My point in linking the essay is supporting Liz's point (as I understand it) that changing policy to allow CU fishing would not benefit the project. NE Ent 18:07, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
NE Ent, I see WTT's point (and it's a valid argument) but it s easier said than done. Suppose my interests are lighthouses, opera and tennis. The odds that I would disappear for a few years and return and not be drawn to edit articles in those areas are pretty small, much less that I wouldn't be in touch with editors I had collaborated with in the past. It takes a lot of self-discipline to suppress your tastes and areas of interests and assume you are someone else. Liz Read! Talk! 02:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
After reading all your arguments, what can I say. You have accused me of everything, instead of reading with an open mind some of your comments are really harsh. Do not take it personal. Just meditate about some of my points and dont be soo strict. I know If I have harmed someone with my talk page. Its indeed funny when someone see it. Dont you think there are no hidden interest of some editors in the Wikipedia?? Do you think a free to modify, sensible information Wiki could not be a target of "other" interests?? Think about it, or just navigate 'fru some of History Sensible Articles and their edits.Mr.User200 (talk) 13:07, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, I don't follow. Beeblebrox, either I or Mr.User200 here misunderstood--I thought you meant for them to remove the weird "lobby" comments. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
While those are accusations of cabalism they don't name names or anything. I don't agree with them or find them particularly helpful or enlightining but it's just a user page. The "American jokes" on the other hand, are not the sort of thing we can allow anywhere on WP. Doing so would open the door to all sorts of nationalist/ethnic/racist "humor" so I removed them myself. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:45, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As an American, the most offensive thing about those "jokes" was how painfully unfunny they were. Making fun of US culture should be like shooting fish in a barrel. So: does anyone have any better American jokes? MastCell Talk 17:50, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What do you call someone who can speak three languages? (trilingual). What do you call someone who can speak two languages? (bilingual) What do you call someone who can only speak one language? (an American). That better? Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:15, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That is, honestly, very insulting to American immigrants worldwide. Oh wait... Epic Genius (talk) 00:58, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(Comment from uninvolved editor) Mr.User200 tried to make a new request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case. I reverted their request because that was not the place to put such a query. Epic Genius (talk) 18:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, now the editor's talk page makes it pretty clear they have a martyr/god complex going on. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:54, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I left a note; let's see if they take me up on it and let's leave them alone for the time being. Dennis, keep an eye out please: I'm on the road the next few days. Thanks all, Drmies (talk) 00:51, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is so blindly obvious what we have here. For the sake of self-back-patting and politics, we have to put up with this kind of stuff. I'm fed up with the toothless CU system we have, all in name of "privacy", which is a joke to anyone that knows there is no privacy if you visit any website: they all collect the same data via logs. To add insult to injury, the current environment ensures that any bold admin is promptly spanked even though he is clearly right. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 15:34, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bonus Jacquet[edit]

. No article. Hafspajen (talk) 23:34, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Jacquet

If I had time I'd Jacquet in. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not the saxy one, then. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;
you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,

Kipling, If.

    • That's not me. I'm more an ostrich. As for that statue--that's Johan Pieterszoon Coen, in the place where I was born. :) Drmies (talk) 04:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't realized the current knitting craze was an international thing. Are European hipsters also growing ridiculous mustaches and drinking everything out of mason jars? Beeblebrox (talk) 16:49, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My hipster days were very brief, Beeblebrox; I got married too young. Hey, do they have Hipster Ale up where you live? You should try it. Amazeballs. Drmies (talk) 22:14, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Even more pretentious- Wahhabi moustaches and Kilner jars. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:46, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yeah? Get with it dude. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Tells the weather- curls up- fine and sunny, straight down- raining, fuzzes out in all directions- lightning strike. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 22:38, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How many of these fine fellows are German, one wonders. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:45, 16 March 2015 (UTC) [reply]
<even smaller>That bicoloured triple-decker's quite disturbing. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 23:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)<stop being small>[reply]

AfD Historici.nl[edit]

There seems to be a mistake with closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Historici.nl. The content in the article Historici.nl should not be merged into any article because it is either false or outdated as I explained twice on the nomination page. – Editør (talk) 19:45, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • You can't do it, right, sound like a friendly person? There is plenty of connection between the two, as evidenced also by this here. Just because you said something twice doesn't mean it's therefore right. Drmies (talk) 21:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you are right about the connection, as your link suggests, but it doesn't follow from the AfD discussion. – Editør (talk) 14:54, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bladesmulti[edit]

Hello. After considerable deliberation, I have unblocked Bladesmulti. A full explanation is on his talk page. Please let me know if you have any questions, and I will be happy to address them. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 03:27, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for your note, Magog the Ogre. I hope you are dead wrong about that sock suspicion--not because I want you to be wrong, but because I see no merit in it and I have some faith in the indicted user. As long as Blades stays away from JJ, this is fine, and that's all I wanted in the first place. Drmies (talk) 03:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for reviewing the request Magog. --AmritasyaPutraT 04:51, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not a sock.[8]. Dougweller (talk) 06:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And it isn't clear whether Bladesmulti accepts the SPI decision. Dougweller (talk) 16:26, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Izaäk Boot[edit]

Hi Drmies, I came across this article you created back in 2011. As far as I can see he does not seem notable, just a regular preacher. I was wondering if there is some information on his notability missing from the article. Crispulop (talk) 12:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, I don't remember why I wrote him up, but he had an obit in one of the leading Dutch Protestant papers, so I assume more can be found. I'll see what I can do. Drmies (talk) 15:41, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • A preacher who wrote a dissertation on the Song of Songs and retired early because he "had difficulties explaining traditional biblical teaching to modern man" is not just a "regular preacher". At least in my opinion. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:32, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cullen, I got a bit sidetracked by yet another really not ordinary preacher--Alexander Stopford Catcott. If you have anything to add to Boot I'd sure appreciate it. Oh, and yesterday it was a selection of even more non-ordinary preacher people, including Stoffel Muller. Drmies (talk) 04:15, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wish I spoke Dutch (or any other foreign language) fluently, but must console myself with marginal command of American English. I am also pretty good with Canadian English, eh, having grown up in Detroit, just north of Windsor, Ontario. Hey, Drmies, you speak Dutch, don't you? Are there any more good sources for Boot? I can use Google Translate. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:31, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, you're a Westerner, really, so Dutch isn't used all that much out there. You could have hailed from Albany. I'm on it, dear Cullen. Oh, I see your mug on Facebook every now and then; I feel I'm being watched. Are you friends with K-stick? Have you noticed that 2/3 of his FB posts are either food- or airport-related? I worry about his physical and mental health. Drmies (talk) 15:42, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Those sheet metal guys in Albany can't be any closer than sixth cousins but yeah, I read about that family with the same surname from time to time. One of them helped fix up the Statue of Liberty, so that's cool. I didn't even know you were on Facebook. Send me a friend request. As for K-stick, well, I am a very poor detective and can't mentally link many Facebook Wikipedians with . . . actual Wikipedians. Well, there is my.wife and Carrite and a few others. I do know that Missvain posts about food and airports a lot. And booze. My kind of woman. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:20, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Damn straight! And yes...if you are friends with User:Cullen328 on Facebook I absolutely expect an invite (or vice versa) :-) Missvain (talk) 03:27, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm waiting on Mandarax to accept my friend request... Drmies (talk) 04:11, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You around?[edit]

I'm having some issues with ... I don't know what... on Talk:Walter de Coutances. I've tried explaining over and over, but this is the stuff that sends me into orbit. After explaining several times over, I just get the run around. I've left notes at Bish's page, but frankly, this is not something that I should have to deal with. At some point, it becomes IDHT and shouldn't admins step in to help the confused editor??? Or what good are admins? Ealdgyth - Talk 14:56, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Sometimes I remain dumbfounded at what folks will get a bee in their bonnet about... Ealdgyth - Talk 15:40, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(whimpers) Ealdgyth - Talk 19:31, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, where's "Lodden Bridge" on the "Thames River"? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:06, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also appears as "Loddon Bridge near London" (same date of 5 October 1191) in William Longchamp. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Loddon Bridge is near London, near where the Loddon meets the Thames in present day Sonning. Not sure what the issue is here? – iridescent 2 21:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, unless there's another Loddon Bridge, it's nearer Reading than London, and it's not on the Thames. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:31, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Loddon Bridge where the Norman barons met was in Sonning. The modern one Loddon Bridge near Winnersh is a recent build. – iridescent 2 21:36, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that- couldn't find a damn thing on the web. I've corrected the spelling. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:48, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The explanation[edit]

Title page, Shakespeare's Tempest, illustrations by Walter Crane, 1894

is here. And it boils down to Zelig... Hafspajen (talk) 23:40, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, that someone read Hamilton James Eckenrode's thing. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 00:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Culture of Defeat: On National Trauma, Mourning, and: It cannot be passed through sexual intercourse. Ever. Hafspajen (talk) 00:35, 17 March 2015 (UTC) The reason assigned for the removal of Pierpont was the expiration of his term of office. This does not seem plausible, however, in view of the fact that the government of Virginia was purely provisional, and that a new executive was appointed without regard to the constitution. In truth, Pierpont's influence, which had waned for a long time, was by this time entirely lost. Conservative newspapers charged that he was not sufficiently radical in his views to please the authorities, and this seems to have been the general opinion. Certainly Pierpont was not well identified with any party. His views were too conservative for him to lend hearty support to the more radical measures, although he upheld the necessity of acquiescing in negro suffrage and in the other privileges the freedmen had obtained. His compromising turn of mind led him to attempt to keep a certain balance which he would at times abandon under the force of circumstances. It must be remembered that his position was a singularly difficult one.2 --> He had been sharply criticized by the conservative press, but now that he was Hafspajen (talk) 00:35, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Tushar dam, cleanup on aisle 5[edit]

You're one of those patient types, maybe you can take a look at this and see what can be done. User:Tushar dam is a minor who keeps attempting to make a BLP page for himself, attempting to do so thus far in article-space, AfD, and WP:-space. Has also done so in alternate spellings of his name in userspace, e.g. User:Tushar Dam, and is basically creating a mess, some of which I tried to cleanup by moving the page to a sandbox sub-page. No communication this far, either a language barrier or a competency issue here...only attempt have been via edit summary on several moves/creations which say "my desire". What to do here? Tarc (talk) 18:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just spent the last ten minutes cleaning up that mess, renamed to Wiki Artist--kelapstick(bainuu) 19:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok, looks good then. Guess we'll see if this person decides to start communicating, or is even able to. Tarc (talk) 20:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks to both of you. I just booked flights for this summer, and now I want to shoot myself. Drmies (talk) 21:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I fly out tomorrow, and we are expecting a foot of snow. I don't anticipate landing in Halifax... --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snow? It was in the 80s here today. We went swimming Sunday. The attic fan is running. Rosie asked today whether it was still winter--we were driving home with the windows down. Hey, I'm flying out to Albuquerque tomorrow; why don't you meet me there? Drmies (talk) 02:49, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, since the old page still pops up on the watchlist, I noticed that this person has recreated their old account today. Tarc (talk) 12:38, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Anne Rudloe[edit]

Hello! Your submission of Anne Rudloe at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 19:27, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NO article[edit]

Adolf Mosengel Dorf in den Berner Alpen

Hafspajen (talk) 23:51, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've been working unsupervised for seven days. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:16, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Laurent Pécheux - Vénus 1794
UUuu+, Xanty? OH; Adolf!!!!! Hafspajen (talk) 19:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh my dear Adolf!
  • Adolf.
  • Adolf?
  • Adolf...

Laurent Pécheux .. you might like him better?? French style. Hafspajen (talk) 00:25, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Found an other Adolf too.. Adolf Schmidt. Hafspajen (talk) 05:20, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NOT that Adolf. Painter Adolf - no article. Looks like peole don't want to write articles on people called Adolf. Its agaib´st them, poor creatures, this ADOLF- thing. | Hafspajen (talk) 05:24, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Adolf Schmidt Der Überfall.
Adolf Schmidt Stadtgesellschaft auf einer Bergtour

Discographies help?[edit]

Hi Drmies! I've been working on discographies and am really getting to a point where I'm kind of stuck. I can't seem to find anyone who knows much about them. The WP:Discographies MOS isn't finalized and has a lot of unresolved issues, too. I've read through various talk page archives but just can't get what I need. There are some un-straightforward issues in kpop and only one kpop discography has made FL status (and it's for an artist new enough that most of the un-straightforward issues don't apply to them), so I have precious little to refer to. Do you know anyone who could help? Can anyone reading this help? Eventually I want to submit it for formal review, so I'm looking for that kind of point of view. Thanks for any guidance! Hope you are doing well. I see Wikipedia's resident art expert/enthusiast is keeping your talk page well-decorated with lovely visuals, as usual. :) Shinyang-i (talk) 04:17, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talk to User:IndianBio and User:Chasewc91.—Kww(talk) 05:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, thank you! Shinyang-i (talk) 05:47, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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