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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can remove unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started. If you need any assistance, let me know. -- Ty 08:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, and authorised web sites. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is original research (e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research), or another wikipedia article.
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.
Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.) It should appear like this:
You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is:
Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets. The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead.
You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Here is an example for a book:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark.
These formats are all acceptable for dates:
You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them. The quotes around the name are optional unless there is a space in the name. You can see multiple use of the same refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are three sources and they are each referenced three times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.
The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in Harriet Arbuthnot or in a full form as in Brown Dog affair.
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Inline citations[edit]
It is suggested that you read the above instructions...Modernist (talk) 12:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- I have come here to say exactly the same thing. We are pointing you the way to good editing, and you are ignoring the advice. If you want to edit wiki articles, then you need to take the time to learn wiki methods. See also WP:OWN, WP:CIVIL, and WP:TPG#Good_practices, which says upper case and bold should not be used for talk posts. Ty 01:28, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Personal attacks[edit]
Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you.Modernist (talk) 05:50, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Let's try and calm this down. We all have the same purpose, which is an excellent article on Albert Henry Krehbiel. You are a new editor and, understandably, are not getting some things right according to wikipedia policies and guidelines, which you are not familiar with. We are simply pointing you to those and correcting the article in the light of them. Your co-operation in this will make everything go more happily for all concerned. When you are pointed to details of how to do something, please study and apply it, in particular the guide to referencing provided on this page. Material on wikipedia needs inline citations (i.e. references in the text), not just a list of references in a section at the end. Readers need to know where the article information has been sourced from. That is fundamental. Ty 12:15, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
- To post to user, go to their user page, then click the "discussion" tab, so you can post on their talk page.
- Re. editing. 1) Find a good source/sources per WP:RS, i.e. books (not self published), mainstream media sources (not one person-published blogs). 2) Extract relevant information, paraphrase it, rewrite, jiggle it around a bit etc to avoid copyright violations. 3) Put it in the article and at the end of the sentence/paragraph, put the link to the reference, as outlined in the ref guide above.
- Avoid claims, e.g. "unique", "the best", "innovatory" etc, per WP:PEACOCK, unless these are from the source, when they should be clearly indicated as being from the source, probably with a ref after the actual word, or else the word in double quote marks. Likewise avoid editorial interpretation and analysis. This should come from sources and follow the guidance just outlined. Avoid vague attributions, such as "it is thought" or "many people say" per WP:WEASEL. Say who thought/said something, attribute it and reference it.
- Following the above will clear the way to easy editing and a good article. Feel free to ask me, Modernist (one of the best wiki Visual Arts editors) or post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts for more assistance for writing etc, or with including images. Minimal "fair use" is permissible; preferable are images released under GFDL or CC-BY-SA-3.0, which can be low resolution if wished. These licences allow anyone to use the image, including commercially, with attribution. The licences mean that multiple images can be included in an article. Only the copyright holder can grant the licences, of course.
- Ty 21:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Talk page wikiquette[edit]
See WP:TPG#Good_practices. Please don't use capitals and/or bold for text in talk pages posts, as it's considered to be shouting. Thanks. Ty 23:10, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
References[edit]
I added 3 (1-2-3) references in the correct format to your first paragraph, and I added a reference section and I changed the name of your reference section to Source. Currently all of your referencing is incorrect, please follow the guide I just provided you in the 3 references I just made...Modernist (talk) 13:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
- The reference section is under way and progress is being made - study what I did, and look at the referencing on other artist articles - Jackson Pollock, Willem de Kooning, Henri Matisse, Claude Monet, etc. and try to finish the rest of the article. Since I don't know the material - I really can't place the proper information into the proper places...Modernist (talk) 15:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
File copyright problem with File:Krehbiel in front of easel JPEG 150p.JPG[edit]
Thank you for uploading File:Krehbiel in front of easel JPEG 150p.JPG. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the file. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.
If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Skier Dude ► 08:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
- Given the restrictions you've placed on the image it probably isn't usable here. The only option would be to use the {{Non-free 2D art}} license - but then the image must be used on an article with critical commentary on the image itself. A full list of the options for licenses is found at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/All. Skier Dude ► 03:51, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
- What you would want to do then, is to follow the instructions at WP:OTRS - e-mail them from the company e-mail account giving the name of the image and the license that you want it released under. This way there will be proof of the release and you won't have to go through any questions about it in the future. Skier Dude ► 05:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Links[edit]
Please stop adding more links to articles to which they really do not belong. Synchromism was an early abstraction movement dating from 1912 - adding every artist who ever made colorful related pictures as late as 1931 does not belong there, he's linked in the list - put the images on his article. Add the links to his article, because this is not a landscape movement or a figurative movement it was one of the first purely abstract movements. Every artist who ever had a show in Santa Fe or Santa Monica does not add their paintings to those articles. Thank you...Modernist (talk) 05:28, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
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