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Bede
Hi Ealdgyth. I notice that user:Le Deluge has changed Category:English biblical scholars to Category:British biblical scholars. Whilst I agree with getting rid of red links, it seems unfortunate to move Bede from English (which he was) into British (which he certainly wasn't). Obviously in modern terms he was a UK citizen living in that part of Great Britain known as England; but should modern terms be employed for an 8th C figure? He was Anglo-Saxon ("English") culturally and religiously, rather than Celtic ("British"). Is this worth chasing and what do you think? Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:49, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
- well, technically he's Northumbrian, but he's certainly not British. I usually just ignore categories, because quite honestly I doubt one reader in a hundred even knows we HAVE vategories, much less cares...if it bugs you enough I'm glad to support you changing it, but I'm not bothered enough to worry about it while I'm out of town....Ealdgyth - Talk 22:58, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
- Fair point about Northumbrian, though I must confess to often regarding then as simply a variant of English, and that's after having lived in the area for 7 years back in the '70s. I'll follow your lead on this and let it lie however. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:09, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
- @Martin of Sheffield: The Northumbria thing would have been my formal response - arguably one of the greatest achievements of England and Scotland was to wipe out the memory of a kingdom that was at least their equal if not their superior at this time. Saying Bede is English is like saying Roger Federer or Johan Cruyff are German. But really it comes down to the compromises that result from the category system's first duty to be useful rather than 100% accurate. It's the job of the articles to be accurate, but for the category system things like predictability and consistency are much more important. So compromises are needed if we're not to get totally tied up in knots, frustrating though that may be for specialists like yourselves who (rightly) care about these things.
The UK is relatively simple in this regard but think of the forerunners of modern Germany, Italy or India. A non-specialist in Renaissance science would look for Galileo under Category:Italian astronomers - even though "Italy" didn't exist until 300 years after his death. But it's a bit unreasonable to expect a non-specialist to know whether he lived in the Duchy of Florence, Tuscany, the Duchy of Parma, the Republic of Lucca etc (indeed, I doubt that 90% of Wikipedia readers are even aware they existed), and ethnically he could have been Lombard, Norman etc. A more recent example is Albert Einstein, technically he was born a Württemberg-ian. So the category system uses "Italian" to mean "from somewhere roughly equivalent to modern Italy, without getting too bogged down in the detailed politics or ethnicity" - and so it is with "British" too.
One thing the UK does suffer from is home-nation nationalists aggressively WP:OVERCATegorising British people. The home nations are WP:DEFINING for some occupations like footballers, but people tend to assume that means Category:British chiropractors needs to be subdivided too. So in general I tend to shy away from sub-British categorisation unless it's obviously defining or the category needs it to cope with overpopulation. I hope that clears things up a bit?Le Deluge (talk) 16:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC)- In this context I'm not concerned about the modern nations, I was using English in the sense of Angles/Saxons/Jutes/WhatHaveYou in contradistinction to (Ancient) British, that is "Celtic". Moving Bede from the Anglo-Saxon world to the Celtic world just seemed a little odd; a bit like calling the Montaukett New Yorkers. Your point about the modern nations as geographic descriptors is a fair one however and having flagged it up am happy to go with the opinion of an acknowledged expert. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 17:28, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
- @Martin of Sheffield: No worries, and I appreciate the fact that you care. I share the same pain over "American" and "United States" being applied to just one country both in the category system and elsewhere, but that battle is lost. Even if it means your Montaukett are "native Americans" which is a whole heap of contradictions in two words. But such are the joys of the English language - qv physicists despair at the common usage of "inertia" and "momentum". Given that the battle for "British" is lost to the modern sense, without wanting to open a whole oil drum of worms might I suggest a convention of using "Brittonic" as a demonym for the ancient lot when precision is important? Le Deluge (talk) 19:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
- In this context I'm not concerned about the modern nations, I was using English in the sense of Angles/Saxons/Jutes/WhatHaveYou in contradistinction to (Ancient) British, that is "Celtic". Moving Bede from the Anglo-Saxon world to the Celtic world just seemed a little odd; a bit like calling the Montaukett New Yorkers. Your point about the modern nations as geographic descriptors is a fair one however and having flagged it up am happy to go with the opinion of an acknowledged expert. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 17:28, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
- @Martin of Sheffield: The Northumbria thing would have been my formal response - arguably one of the greatest achievements of England and Scotland was to wipe out the memory of a kingdom that was at least their equal if not their superior at this time. Saying Bede is English is like saying Roger Federer or Johan Cruyff are German. But really it comes down to the compromises that result from the category system's first duty to be useful rather than 100% accurate. It's the job of the articles to be accurate, but for the category system things like predictability and consistency are much more important. So compromises are needed if we're not to get totally tied up in knots, frustrating though that may be for specialists like yourselves who (rightly) care about these things.
- Fair point about Northumbrian, though I must confess to often regarding then as simply a variant of English, and that's after having lived in the area for 7 years back in the '70s. I'll follow your lead on this and let it lie however. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:09, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
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And so ends the first round of the competition, with 4 points required to qualify for round 2. It would have been 5 points, but when a late entrant was permitted to join the contest in February, a promise was made that his inclusion would not result in the exclusion of any other competitor. To achieve this, the six entrants that had the lowest positive score of 4 points have been added to the 64 people who otherwise would have qualified. As a result, some of the groups have nine contestants rather than eight. Our top four scorers in round 1 were:
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While I did not add additional comments since January 2017, I had been following the Acne FAC. Though you did not participate this time, I would be excited to review an Acne FAC alongside you. Only if you're interested, next time it goes up for a FAC please email me and I will post a review again. (just fyi: I am putting a similar note on a few user pages) --My Core Competency is Competency (talk) 13:42, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
FAC
Smash!
You've been squished by a whale!
Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something really silly.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by TylerDurden8823 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Talk page stalkers....
Can anyone see a good DYK hook in Sibyl of Falaise, which is my contribution to International Women's Day.... Ealdgyth - Talk 18:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- If I've understood it correctly: Did you know ... that Sibyl of Falaise, grandmother of one of Thomas Becket's murderers, may have been a daughter of King Henry I? SarahSV (talk) 18:58, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Acne listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Acne. Since you had some involvement with the Acne redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. --My Core Competency is Competency (talk) 19:47, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Ealdgyth, did you want to return to this review, or should I put out a call for a new reviewer. Please let me know. Many thanks, and I'm sorry if the process has been unpleasant. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:04, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Egbert
The TV show may not be accurate, but the depiction of a person in popular culture is always a valid addition to any article. There are umpteen articles that deal with a person's depiction in popular culture. Whether that depiction is accurate or not is irrelevant. It is perfectly valid to cover such depictions, whether they are accurate or not. Your persistent deletions of my contributions may qualify as disruptive editing, thank you very much.
Sardaka (talk) 09:10, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
- This is discussed on the talk page for Egbert and three editors disagree with you. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:50, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hi Ealdgyth. This is just a friendly note to let you know that the Hugh de Neville article, which you nominated at FAC, has been scheduled as today's featured article for March 14, 2017. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 14, 2017. Thanks! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:15, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for Hugh de Neville, a "royal servant who served King John... and earned a nasty name in history for it"! - As for Sybil (above): how about ... that Sibyl of Falaise, a "nepta" (either "niece" or "kinswoman") of Henry I of England, was possibly his bastard child, or his brother's? - I favour to say something about the woman in question, but there's not much that we know, obviously. - My contribution to the day was an opera singer who premiered scandalous works, - with hope of women in a title, written by an expressionist artist and staged by a Bauhaus artist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
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Ouch! Yes, it is pretty terrible. I had in mind something that gets over twice as many views. But maybe this would build up more views if it was better - I think there is an effect from student word of mouth, or even teachers. What are these "entries"? Actually, the super-crap Renaissance art gets a lot more than H of A too. Johnbod (talk) 14:50, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Botticelli would be cool. Of course The arts is really awful also. I do have to laugh a the low page views some of these "vital 1" or "vital 2" articles get... And why the HECK is Frida Kahlo a "vital 3" article on the level with the others (she does get over 9000 views a day though)? Of course Picasso gets close to 9000 page views a day, Vinci gets over 12,000,
- I think I'm leaning towards working on History of the world, even though it gets less page views. Then I think I'll do Harold Godwinson, even though he doesn't rate on the "vital article" listings, it still gets decent page views per day. I might also work on Reformation, we'll see. But these three will probably get my main effort. Books are already being assembled. Put in a big ILL order to get stuff for the first article. Luckily, I already have good bits on the Reformation and Harold...Ealdgyth - Talk 21:01, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
- Reformation would be a bit of a nightmare I'd think, even though it is really History of the Reformation, with remarkably little theology, but also seems a sociology-free zone. I don't worry at all about the "vital" levels, but I do very much look at page views. I did The Last Judgment (Michelangelo) expanded for DYK, main page yesterday - that gets over 1K views just about every day. Best for Easter! Johnbod (talk) 03:45, 14 April 2017 (UTC)