User talk:Earth100/Archive2

Typhoon Ma-on (2011)

[1] - hey, I just wanted to let you know I reverted your edit for a few reasons. First, the image didn't really fit in the article due to spacing. Secondly, we can't source forums, so if you want to add that JTWC bit, you have to get a proper source. And third, I wasn't exactly sure what you were going for in the image caption, but "Severe Subtropical" doesn't make sense, sorry. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:09, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey, how come you reverted? The article looks bad with that image in there. Is it really needed? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Yep, it is needed, it looks Beautiful as it is good.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 04:20, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, I highly disagree. It makes the page cluttered. If you like it that much, I'll just get rid of the other one. However, you still need to get a better source that Storm2k. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:35, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I removed the Storm2k bit again. Per WP:SPS, we can't include forums. As for the image, I don't think it's needed, but it's not worth warring over. You just came back from a ban, and you said you understood what you did... the addition of unreferenced/improperly sourced material has to stop. I'd encourage you to read WP:RS so you completely understand what's required. Inks.LWC (talk) 07:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

✔Read.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 11:11, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what this edit summary meant, but there's no need to have so many duplicate images in the same article. It squeezes the text unnecessarily. I removed one of them. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:14, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

High-pressure area picture

First, welcome back. I hope you've had time to think about your actions in the past and now understand the policies of Wikipedia. I have High-pressure area on my watchlist, so I noticed when you made this edit. You cannot continue to add information that is not in the source. Nowhere in the article does it mention anything about such a formation being "rare" or "unusual". Furthermore, instead of just reverting people, discuss changes like that on the talk page. It seems like you still may have questions with what the policies are on original research, so if you post on the talk page with what you want to change the text to, other editors can comment on those changes before you impliment them, and we can help you understand if your proposed edits adhere to the policies and guidelines. Furthermore, as I encouraged you before, I hope that you consider getting a mentor. Inks.LWC (talk) 01:21, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Please explain why I shouldn't indefinitely block you, Earth100, and get this over with. You were blocked for quite a while, your block was extended, you begged to come back, swearing you were better and had changed...and within a day your back to uncivil edit summaries and adding unsourced info. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:34, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't believe it, being blocked forever for contributing Wikipedia? I waited and waited but i wasn't unblocked until that day, and i decided because i wasn't unblocked i don't need to change. If you want me to change, then i will do it right now. And if i ever get blocked again, i would not allow it to be more than 1 week, because there is no difference, only more down side. --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 04:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you can get blocked permanently from Wikipedia. You need to change your editing habits. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't deserve it. In fact for all those blocks i was blocked, i could have made a big difference even without those blocks, but i did not got the chance, causing me to be now in a low mood.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 04:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, one of the first things you do when you get unblocked is go back to edit warring on a page that got you blocked in the first place. I suggest you avoid too much conflict if you don't want to be banned. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:15, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Alright. At least for me, consider this a final chance. Let me leave you with two simple pieces of advice: if something makes you at all irritated, take a break away from Wikipedia and calm down before you comment, revert, or otherwise do something that will be a problem. Second, if you have questions, just ask someone. In many cases, at least for now, it's probably in your best interest to ask before you act. Except for absolutely blatant vandalism like "This hurricane makes me hot!", there's really no harm in letting an edit you disagree with sit around for a few hours/days while you discuss the matter. You don't have to be this cautious forever, but for now, I think it will help you. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:44, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Castle in the Sky image

You cannot have the Castle in the Sky image on your user page. Per WP:NFCC#9, "Non-free content is allowed only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in article namespace, subject to exemptions." Since your user page is not one of the exemptions, that image cannot be on your page. Inks.LWC (talk) 13:04, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Japanese

Can you read Japanese? Inks.LWC (talk) 05:13, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Nope, besides, i'm a Hong Konger.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Then how could you have made this edit without adding a new source? Inks.LWC (talk) 05:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

It was unsourced before i made the edit, and after, i just corrected the text. Yes, it is original research, but at least the text now say true info. Simply said, fixing original research in original research. Any problems? Is this also forbidden? --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

If you can't read the source, how do you know it was not sourced? And how do you know that the information was incorrect? Inks.LWC (talk) 05:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay, if you don't like it, then i have reverted the edit before any more problems fire up between us.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:36, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Section for Inks.LWC and Earth100

This is a section for Inks.LWC and Earth100 to talk. If you have anything related to this topic, you are free to input here. Inks i can't leave a message on your talk page because i am blocked. --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 08:16, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

That's fine - we can communicate here. What did you need to write on my talk page? Inks.LWC (talk) 08:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

okay.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 13:16, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Inks, can you please create a new inbox hurricane section in the 2012–13 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season? A new system is forming as shown here.

No - I'm not going to do your editing for you. I think what would be best is if you do not come to Wikipedia at all for the next 2 months. Just take the time off completely. Inks.LWC (talk) 21:15, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Never mind already done, and no, it is impossible for just that small edit i did which i was unsure to get me blocked for 2 months. This is terrible! I can't just walk always from Wikipedia like that!--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 02:19, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

But it was not just that one edit that got you blocked. You have exhibited a pattern of either not understanding or disobeying the rules. I have encouraged you multiple times to find a mentor, and you have either ignored or refused that suggestion. If you want to get unblocked, get a mentor. And then, stop making any edits until you are 100% sure that that edit will be okay under the rules. It really is that simple. We all have tried explaining this to you and you just aren't listening. Inks.LWC (talk) 02:46, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

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Inks.LWC is correct. If it was "one small edit", I certainly would not have blocked you for even a few hours. I've blocked you because I need to prevent continued disruption to Wikipedia. You are repeatedly and unapologetically violating core Wikipedia policies. You must stay away from Wikipedia for 2 months; you have no choice. If you want, go try editing a different language Wikipedia, or Simple Wikipedia, or Commons (you do seem to like pictures). Of course, follow their rules, noting that Simple has an extra rule that says that people blocked from another project who go there to prove they've gotten better only get one chance.

As for here, editors should not edit on your behalf. You are blocked, not "editing via another person". Qwyrxian (talk) 03:41, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Users are blocked to prevent disruption to Wikipedia. But how could Users show that they can improve? This is highly inhumane. I am not used to Wikipedia, and i even search for guidelines myself! Every needs another chance. My block should now be unblocked, or reduced to maximum 1 week, as two months is highly unnecessary, only wasting time which can be used for improvement, contributions, and understanding. I have been extremely unlucky for never getting a chance, for evem being a new users. --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 04:47, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

You are STILL not listening. You have had 3 second chances. Those second chances were when you could show you improved. Do you remember when Qwyrxian gave you a final warning? He said that you should "ask before you act". Why did you not do this? Not once did I see you contact a user or post on the talk page asking if an edit was appropriate. So why did you ignore that? You can learn the policies without having to log in. You claim that you understood the policies, yet you changed information from a source that you could not even read. That makes no sense at all. I suggest that you go and print off WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:OR without doing anything else on Wikipedia. Read them--all of them--and come back and request a mentor. Qwyrxian has said he will unblock you immediately if you get a mentor. If his offer still stands, you should take him up on that. And listen to what your mentor says. Because I am almost certain that if you don't get a mentor, you're just going to end up getting permanently blocked, because it is clear that you are not getting this on your own. You keep saying you aren't getting a chance, but you've had more chances than are normally given for someone who continually ignores policies and guidelines. Inks.LWC (talk) 05:17, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay, okay, i am listening, i have went to the mentor page but i don't know where to start! Inks, may you please be my guide?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll edit your user page to have someone come by and adopt you as a mentor, if that's what you want. Inks.LWC (talk) 05:30, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Inks can't be your mentor—it needs to be someone independent. But your attitude above makes me think a mentor may be useless. The first step to getting a mentor is going to be admitting that you've messed up, repeatedly, been told the guidelines many times, and either refused to read them, refused to follow them, or didn't understand them. You playing the victim card is absolutely absurd. You're in no way the victim here. And yes, blocks exist to prevent disruption. So far, each time you've been unblocked, you've disrupted Wikipedia again, in almost the same way. How can I prevent the disruption to Wikipedia without you being blocked?

Finally, I want to be clear on what I mean by mentoring: I mean that you will not make a single edit to Wikipedia without first getting your mentor's approval, until such time as they decide you're ready to edit independently. I mean you'll follow whatever instructions they give. For example, some mentors give their students assignments prior to letting them start suggesting edits. Are you willing to follow such conditions: no editing at all until you get a mentor, no mainspace editing until your mentor approves? Qwyrxian (talk) 05:38, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay, but why can't you be the mentor?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

First, because I have no experience being an official mentor, and second, because I've been trying to give you advice for months, and you've ignored it--I think you need someone who's been relatively uninvolved with you. So if you want me to post that you're looking for a mentor, I will. Inks.LWC (talk) 05:37, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

okay, get me adopted...--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:45, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay, i know, i admit i did a lot of things that didn't really helped the community and wikipedia..

But wait, Qwyrxian, does it mean that all and every single edit even edits on my own talk page an userpage and simply edits on articles like word correction, i wish to do must be asked to the mentor before i do it?

And when should i ask it, for example,

• Should i do the edit, click save page and ask the mentor if what i done was okay, or:
• Should i ask the mentor what i plan to do before clicking save page?

Overall, this will mean that i have to wait for the mentor's reply, which doesn't saves time. Please answer. --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 12:12, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

My conditions for unblocking you early are that you:

1. Get a mentor.
2. Follow the mentor's instructions (including any assignments they ask of you).
3. Make no edits to mainspace without first having approval of your mentor (that means you don't ever hit the edit button on an article without first drafting the edit in your userspace and getting the mentor's approval.
4. You will keep getting your mentor's approval until such time as the mentor decides you don't need it.

Does this take time? Of course it does. It could be weeks til you find a mentor, and you'll likely only be making a few edits a day, if that. That's kind of the point, though--you've shown an inability to edit under the rules under your own guidance, so you need to slow down.

Now, you do not have to take this offer. You have 2 alternatives:

1. Make an unblock request and see what another admin says. If another admin thinks I'm wrong, I'm willing to discuss the matter; if needed, the community can be invited to comment on a noticeboard.
2. Wait until the block is up and resume editing under your own recognizance.

Following either of these choices, of course, will still mean you need to learn to follow Wikipedia's rules. It's highly likely that if I were to block you again, it would be indefinitely if it's for the same problems as before. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:33, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Can i make i edit with good reference, without asking the mentor? And can you please explain directly, does it mean that even editing my own userpage and talk page needs the permission of a mentor. If that its, it's terrible!--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 12:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

No, you may not edit any Wikipedia article without having your mentor's approval first, since one of the things you've already done wrong is to add info with a reference, but a careful check establishes that the source doesn't actually say what you added to the article. As for where, you may edit your own user page as you see fit (within guidelines); whether or not you can edit article talk pages will be up to you and your mentor. When people say "article" on Wikipedia, they mean the actual informative part of the encyclopedia. The term does not include article talk pages, user pages, user talk pages, or pages in Wikipedia space (like noticeboards, WikiProjects, etc.). So the restriction I'm offering is only on editing articles; however, if your mentor wants to further restrict you, that's fine (and falls under condition 2 above). Qwyrxian (talk) 14:09, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

The last time you were unblocked, even after promising you were going to be a better editor, you turned around and pulled the same stunts once again. The best thing for you to do is let this block run its course. Learn the policies while you're not able to edit. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I've been blocked for more than a month! I never got a chance, and i walked away from Wikipedia and i learned the policies! I believe i can contribute now.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 01:52, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Have you agreed to mentorship? You keep saying how you'll change, but you don't say how. The next time you're unblocked, that really is your last chance, I believe. I wouldn't want to be on such thin ice without being more willing to change. (btw, yes, that Youtube song/account is mine :) ) --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:14, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Wow, Hink your music is impressive! Mind if i subscribe? --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 04:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Archiving

I see you're having problems with the archiving bot. You need to change the frequency that the bot archives. In the bot's template, you need to edit the line "|algo = old(3d)" to whatever you actually want it to be. Inks.LWC (talk) 15:27, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Where is the template, and i am able to edit it?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 22:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

It's on the top of your talk page. It should be right where you put it when you put in the template to have the bot archive your talk page. Inks.LWC (talk) 00:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Do you mind if you do that for me? I'm not sure really what to do. If you, do, please change it to a mode which doesn't let the Bot archiving. --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 02:18, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I've removed it. But why did you add the bot template if you didn't want it to autoarchive at all? Inks.LWC (talk) 03:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Because the bolt archives them into my 2012 archive. I need to make the 2013 Archive soon...but anyway, thanks a lot for what you did!--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 04:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Shanshan picture

I saw that you replaced my version to yours, but I had to revert. The most important reason is that you should not use a totally different image (Aqua) to replace another image (Terra). Please just upload a new file.

There are still problems on your version, but you always resist that yours are better. I don’t know if you still want to know my opinions and sugesstions. -- Meow 19:33, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay, i understand that i cannot replace a Aqua image for a Terra, but the main reason why i replaced it, is because i have successfully made an image that looks exactly like an official one(if there was).

Also, having the LLCC in the center of the image is not always the best, as some storms are elongated, and i think the most important thing is for an image that shows the whole storm's convection, and span. You are free to tell your opinions and sugesstions, but you got to understand that i can make an image become higher quality, and definition, showing more details, just like if there was an official version available. Just compare the two images and you'll understand. (well off course not with a different satellite image.)--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 02:32, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Now that you're back

I'd suggest that you go to Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters and leave a message on at least one (but as many as you'd like) of the people listed as "Currently accepting adoptees". Inks.LWC (talk) 07:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay i'll do it later..--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 12:54, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

April 2013

Sorry sorry, sorry i didn't know that. Is it okay to make adjustments and write in my own way? And Inks please stop you attack messages. Every time they appear, i get blocked again. I'm already very worrysick. The next time i did something wrong, please don't have that Stop hand nuvola image next to it and please speak in your own way, thank you.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 23:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that you said that you read and knew the policies about what is and is not allowed on articles. It is clear now that you did not actually read through the policies and guidelines. The best thing for you to do would be to stop editing on your own and get a mentor. I'm not attacking you; I'm trying to help, but you're not listening. Inks.LWC (talk) 23:13, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I didn't read all the polices! (I read about 70%) How could i have the time? But at least i'll ask you whether if what i'm about to do is okay or not. I have removed the above message, as i have already read it, and learn it. I'm listening and i have changed, so would you please don't be so bold on me?. And is it okay to rewrite in my own way? And will i get blocked again? --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 23:17, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you can rewrite them in your own way, but if I were you, I would just wait until you have a mentor. Look, you're on your very last chance here... I don't know what your hurry is to get to editing, because if you keep doing stuff like this, you will end up being permanently blocked. I'm not going to stand in as your mentor... you need a real mentor, and it's clear that you won't listen to me, so me being your mentor would be completely pointless. Inks.LWC (talk) 23:21, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You mean i do bad editings? You mean i can't contribute? It's really terrible just to be free again, and contribute before a message like yours showed up, giving me a possibility of getting blocked again! I am not hurrying. But i am hurrying to show that i have changed and contribute. I just need you to understand. And is it like i just got to a user that i select on the list of mentors and prop in a message saying i want to be adopted? If the mentor turns out to not let me edit, i just can prove anything! --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 23:28, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

No, I'm not saying you can't contribute. But you have to contribute within the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia. And you're not doing that. You need to stop hurrying, because that's only causing you more problems. Inks.LWC (talk) 23:31, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

And the reference you just put in the article is a blog. Did you even read WP:RS like you were told to do? Blogs are not reliable sources. I don't mean to be mean to you, but it's clear that you don't understand the policies and guidelines; you NEED a mentor, otherwise you're going to get yourself permanently blocked. Inks.LWC (talk) 23:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay okay! I am now going to do it in the policies way okay? --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 23:39, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

No, it's not okay. Based on your recent edits, which include blatant copyright violations and sourcing issues, you are not ready to edit any articles at Wikipedia. You must find a mentor who believes they can work with you before you edit any articles. If you continue to edit articles without a mentor who's willing to monitor your edits and help you, I will block you indefinitely as you've already been given enough chances.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:49, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

What you should do is put the following on the top of your userpage: {{subst:dated adoptme}} (copy the text as it appears, not the "nowiki" stuff that's in the editing window). This will put you on a list of people looking for adoption. You can also look for an adopter directly; more info is at WP:Adopt-a-user. This is definitely your safest course of action. I totally understand that Wikipedia is hard, and there's thousands of rules...and we try to give user's the chance to learn them. The problem is that it seems like we have to go through each and every one of those rules with you, Earth100. So, again, find an adopter; they can help you, slowly, to get back into editing. You don't have to, but the truth is that due to past behaviors, it's likely that further violations (and especially any violations of things you should already know because of past problems) are going to result in blocking. It would be much better for everyone for you to avoid that, since you clearly have value to contribute to Wikipedia. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for continuing disruptive behavior similar to previous blocks and failing to respond to warnings on your talk page. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.  Bbb23 (talk) 00:14, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if they're even going to let you back if you make an unblock request, but since you tend to make several of them, I'll attempt to help you out, but you actually need to listen for once. If you do make an unblock request, you need to agree to get a mentor and not edit ANYTHING until you have read the policies and guidelines (I'd say you should probably print them ALL out and read them 100% through) and go through extensive editing practice with a mentor. I think you think that I'm mean or dislike you, but I'm genuinely trying to help, and time and time again, you have ignore the advice given to you by myself, Qwyrxian, and others. It's clear that you do not know or understand the policies and guidelines, and editing when you don't understand them is a severe problem. It causes headaches for everyone, because we have to go through and clean up the messes left behind. That's why blocks exist--not because we think you're a "bad" person or editor, but to stop disruption to Wikipedia; and that's what your edits have become--a disruption. Again, I'm trying to help you, and making the same old unblock request saying, "I learned my lesson; I won't do it again. I'll make good edits." isn't going to cut it. I can't speak for the admins, but if you agree to read all of the policies and guidelines the whole way through and agree not to edit without entering into an active mentorship, I'll advocate on your behalf to unblock you. If you don't do those things, then I agree that a permanent block is needed to keep you from further disrupting the project. Inks.LWC (talk) 04:21, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank You Kind Inks for giving a second chance. I agree not to edit anything without Mentor's permission. I agree to read all of the policies and guidelines. I'm sorry.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 12:52, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

I will unblock you only if you find a willing mentor first. I told you that before I blocked you, and you blew me off. If Qwyrxian believes it is too hard for you to find a mentor while blocked, I will unblock you with the understanding that you are not permitted to edit any articles for any reason until you have found a willing mentor. BTW, although I agree with much of what Inks.LWC says, I don't believe you have to "read all of the policies and guidelines the whole way through". That would be a gargantuan and probably unproductive task, and I wouldn't demand that of anyone. You don't appear to grasp certain foundational principles about editing, or you're insincere and you just ignore them when it suits you. It's those principles that you need to understand and apply; the specifics of each policy and guideline should flow from those core concepts. Hopefully, a mentor can assess whether you are capable of editing here.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:16, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

I worded that poorly. I meant to say key policies and guidelines (although looking at the list, which I didn't realize was as large as it is, even that's a bit much). I think a good starting point would be WP:CON, WP:EDIT, WP:OR, WP:V, WP:CITE, WP:RS, and WP:C. Inks.LWC (talk) 21:54, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, but i need to be unblocked to get a mentor. I guarantee i won't edit anything except that mentor's talk page.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 13:19, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

You already have the right template on your user page, so I'm assuming you would post comments directly on the talk page of one of the available mentors. Have you looked at the list? Did you have anyone in mind and why you would pick that person? By the way, it's a small thing, but please learn how to WP:INDENT in these discussions.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:25, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank You. How can i get a mentor now?

For example i want this mentor to adopt me.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 13:31, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for indenting. I don't know the editor, but it strikes me as a very odd choice. Why did you select him? He has very little experience and he's not even in high school yet. Apparently, he was adopted by User:Go Phightins! and went through some sort of training course. It might be an okay choice for an editor who's young and just starting, but it doesn't strike me as a good choice for someone who has a demonstrated track record of problems.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:06, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Due respect, I don't think JHUbal would be a good choice at this point. He is going to "apprentice" with me in some other "regular" adoptees, but I don't think I want him taking someone on his own just yet, especially as a mentorship. Go Phightins! 16:31, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, how about you, Go Phightins?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 01:49, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Inks, can you ask Go Phightins to adopt me? --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 11:32, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done Inks.LWC (talk) 21:57, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't have a lot of success with adoptees coming off of sanctions; I think I have done two so far and neither went particularly well, no neither was a complete disaster (one was reblocked for being incompetent and the other is plodding along staying out of people's way). Presently, I am stretched a little too thin already and am all the while trying to scale back a tad due to some real life events slipping through the cracks because of on-wiki activity. All that said, if no other adopter can be found, I will try to make some time, though I would appreciate if you would try someone else first. Thanks. Go Phightins! 22:01, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

@Earth100, my guess was that Go Phightins! didn't want to mentor you because he didn't offer to do so when he commented earlier. Can you look at the list again and pick another editor you would be comfortable with (look for someone with experience)?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:10, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Not that I don't think that Go Phightins! can do a good job, but I think Earth100 needs somebody who can devote a lot of time to him right now. If that can't be done by Go Phightins! (and it shouldn't expected of him if he has other commitments that he needs to attend to), I agree that Earth100 should pick someone else. That being said, I think it needs to be clear to Earth100 that he is on his adopter's timetable, not the other way around. Earth100 has always been eager to edit, and I think it needs to be made pretty clear here that there has to be some time in between when he starts his mentorship and when he begins editing full-time. Otherwise, we're just going to end up back in the same place, and everyone will end the day with a worse headache than at the beginning of the day. Inks.LWC (talk) 02:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I guarantee i'll be a good editor making great contributions. It's just that i'm just in the drawing board now.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 02:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

You've made that guarantee every time you were blocked. You need to pick an experienced person to be your mentor, and I'll write to them asking if they're interested. Inks.LWC (talk) 04:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

How about this one?

Why did you select him? I'm not sure that's the best decision. Most of his edits are to things other than articles. There's nothing wrong with contributing outside of the article space, so I don't mean to sound critical of Gwickwire (in fact, I've seen him around and have a lot of respect for him), but I think you need someone who has a lot of experience with articles. I think you need someone with more experience overall and someone who can be around to help you a lot. I'd suggest either Worm That Turned (talk · contribs) or Ryan Vesey (talk · contribs) (those are two that I've seen around Wikipedia and personally have a great deal of respect for; the other mentors, I don't recognize any of them, but that's not to say that they're not good - I'm just making recommendations off of who I know). Inks.LWC (talk) 04:59, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank You very much Inks, for giving me two very lovely choices. I choose WormTT.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

• Just a heads up - I wont be able to mentor you full time, but if you want, you can email me should you want to learn about anything by direct conversation, or to have someone guide you around. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 09:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

• Here's the problem we have right now in adoption...everyone is swamped, so no one is taking on too many adoptees. Worm is on ArbCom, the last time I talked to Ryan, he wasn't taking anyone on because of school-"swampedness", and Yunshui has a note that he is too busy for any new adoptees. Rcsprinter123, who incidentally adopted me probably six months ago, is all right, but he isn't around all the time. If John Lewis isn't available, then it might have to be me ...but try John first. Go Phightins! 10:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, i need someone experience, kind, and always on Wikipedia.

It seems like very few mentors are always on Wikipedia.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 14:17, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

No, you don't need someone who's always on Wikipedia, and this mentality is what I'm worried about. You seem to be very intent on getting back to making edits to articles as soon as possible, and you shouldn't even be thinking about editing articles right now. Inks.LWC (talk) 21:23, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Would you have any interest in me being your mentor, Earth? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:34, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

My god, we have an admin named Hurricane. :-) I'd grab this offer quick, Earth. I don't know Hurricane, but based on his interests, it sounds like a great way for you to learn and be helped.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I've followed Earth since he first joined. I haven't mentored many people, but I've been here since 2005, so I think I can help, hah. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:04, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, Hink isn't perfect enough. He doesn't always support my plans, which aren't against the polices....so giving Hink as my boss would not be good, or perfect for me.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 02:33, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

With all due respect Earth, I think you need someone who isn't willing to cater to your every demand. Otherwise, you will end up making the same mistakes you've made before, and you'll never get another chance to edit... again. I'm still willing to adopt if you accept. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:52, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Earth, the whole point of this is that you need someone who you disagree with, because so far, you've been on the wrong side of issues concerning original research, unsourced info, and copyright issues. Now is not the time for you to get picky. Everyone has been pretty helpful so far, especially considering that at this point, you're indefinitely blocked; we could just walk away and not deal with this anymore. But we're here trying to help. You need to be willing to give in on some things, otherwise this whole discussion is somewhat pointless. Inks.LWC (talk) 02:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

What i mean, is...it's like if Hink adopted me, it would be the similar as Inks adopting me. Now, Hink has all the control buttons on me. What i mean is that there are some things which isn't against the polices, but Hink doesn't approve. An example is like on adding images, and voting images. He always denies it, when there's no problem, and that there's more good than bad on the edit.

Hink just isn't the right one.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 03:04, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I seriously couldn't sleep last night, for i was sick from some kind of cold, and about the mentor thing. It has already givien me a tremendous headache. So far, i see User:TheOriginalSoni as the best one..--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 03:11, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean when you say "voting images". Where has Hink ever told you not to add an image that you thought was acceptable to add? A lot of the times that you want to add galleries, they've been in violation of WP:IG, so is that what you're talking about? If so, then I'm not seeing how that's a problem with Hink being your mentor, because that's another area that you need to work on. As for TheOriginalSoni, he only has just over 1,000 edits to articles. Again, I think you need someone with more experience with edits to articles. Inks.LWC (talk) 03:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Earth, the whole purpose of a mentor is to help the mentoree(?) develop better editing habits and learn the policies of Wikipedia. That has no bearing whatsoever on the choices you make towards an article as an editor. If Hink disagrees with you on something, it's for the betterment of the project and/or article (i.e. the constant image galleries). I think Hink is a perfect choice for you. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 03:16, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Wow, i now have a whole crowd here...

No, Hinks isn't perfect. Besides, i don't do well with Americans. I told everybody, it's not because i wan't a mentor who allows me to break the polices (which i don't want to) , but someone who understands or supports me better in a case not related to polices or sometimes editing. --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 03:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

":The OriginalSoni does not meet the unblock criteria set out by Bbb23. It may be, unfortunately, that there are no (other) mentors available. In that case, Earth100, you'll probably have to either choose between remaining blocked or having HurricaneHink's help. Remember, it doesn't really matter if you two disagree. First of all, at the beginning of a mentorship, you're not going the adding images, voting on images, or anything at all like that. Your mentor will be assigning you very specific tasks, starting (I assume) at a simple level. Your mentor will be asking you to make certain types of edits, to read policies and explain what they mean, etc. Eventually, your mentor will (if things go well) allow you to start making suggestions about things to edit. At that point, your mentor shouldn't be controlling your edits...but if your mentor says that some recommendation you have is bad, than you're pretty much bound to listen to them. Getting a mentor doesn't mean that you'll be free to start editing the encyclopedia, or even necessarily anything outside of your user space. It doesn't mean that you can start dropping five or ten different suggestions here for things you want to change that you want your mentors approval on. This is, by the way, why you don't need a mentor who's always available, because you're not going to suddenly be working at a super speedy pace. Yes, I can understand that you want to edit more rather than less, but, well, it's either that or you don't edit at all. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Continuing discussion

How about User:Ryan Vesey? We he do fine?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 03:29, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

According to Go Phightins!, he's not taking adoptees right now. If you really want to start this now, I think Hink is your best choice. I'm really not understanding why you don't want to work with him. He's an admin who edits in your area that you want to edit... you're not going to get much better than that. Inks.LWC (talk) 03:33, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

You say American, Earth, as if that really makes a difference. Hink is still an admin and Wikipedia editor since 2005. He knows all of the policies (obviously) and even is willing to help. Not sure why you're so reluctant to him. I guess you'd rather remain blocked. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 03:37, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Not exactly. I also work in the field of plants and wikiproject Hong Kong.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 03:42, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

So Earth, hypothetically, if the only way you were to edit again is to accept my mentorship, would you accept or not? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:43, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't he wants to remain blocked; that is why user like Hink won't to help. I will say I was in a very similar situation several years ago, so I can relate to your position. However, I agree totally with the above. Would you rather stay blocked or have Hink mentor you? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 03:46, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

There are so many mentors. Why why why dose it have to be Hink. And besides, isn't it suppose to be me to be making the decision?!--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 03:48, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Earth, you're not going to find someone who works with all of those subjects. I think you just need to go with Hink. He's offering to help, and he knows the issues that you specifically need to work on; someone else coming in who hasn't dealt with the situation isn't going to be able to cater their mentorship to the specific things that you need to work on. I think having a mentor familiar with the situation is going to be the easiest way to reform your editing habbits so that you don't get blocked in the future. As for this being your decision, it's not solely your decision anymore. Months ago when we were encouraging you to get a mentor, it would've been 100% up to you who you picked, but now that your indefinitely blocked, whoever you pick has to be approved by the admin before you're unblocked.Inks.LWC (talk) 03:51, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

You just said they are few mentors. Hink is the best choice by far as explained above. Yes, it is your decision, but I urge you to accept Hink as your mentor please. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 03:53, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Earth, I'm just asking, hypothetically, if it were between me mentoring or never editing again, what would you choose? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I can't make a decision yet, it's just not enough choices.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 03:54, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

It's not a permanent decision, just a what if scenario. I'm just asking if it was between those two, what would you choose? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, there are enough choices. You need two options to make a choice. You have two options at this stage. Either have Hink mentor or or you will never edit this site again. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 03:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Why can't i choose other mentors?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 04:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

It's a hypothetical. What if it was between me or never editing again. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

you....--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 04:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I was just checking. That's a good sign. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:04, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

For you, that is.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 04:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, end of the road, I choose Hink. Now will some admin please unblock me for good?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 04:36, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Once Hurricanehink gets more in to your problem areas i may help him out - and no im not American.Jason Rees (talk) 11:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

You already did helped me a lot.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 13:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Mentorship

Although you are still blocked, we can start with the mentoring on here. We're gonna start nice and simple. Part of being a productive Wikipedian is being patient, so I hope you don't mind waiting a bit longer until you get unblocked. So I can get to know your editing better, all you have to do is answer these questions with a {{tick}} next to it.

• Have you ever posted on an article talk page, regarding improvements to the article? Y
• Have you ever edited an article significantly, or been a primary contributor to one?
• Have you ever written an article from scratch?Y
• Have you been a primary contributor to a Good article?
  • Have you ever reviewed another editors' Good article nominee?
• Have you every been a primary contributor to a Featured article
  • Have you ever commented on another editors' Featured article candidacy?
• Have you ever created a page that was later deleted/merged/redirected?Y
• Have you ever created a redirect page?Y
• Have you ever participated in Articles for Deletion?
  • Miscellany for deletion?
    • Redirects for deletion?
      • Templates for Deletion?
        • Any other form of deletion requests?
• Have you ever reverted vandalism?Y
• Have you warned a vandal for vandalism?Y
• Have you ever reported a vandal to Administrator intervention against vandalism?Y
• Have you ever reported an inappropriate username to Usernames for administrative attention
• Have you participated in Requests for adminship?

Any comments or questions so far? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:47, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

There, done.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 04:51, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

What was the article you made? In general, all of the above questions show a variety of Wikipedia activities. What are you most interested in, and least interested in? Also, as a bit of talk page courtesy, when you're replying to someone, you should use indent before your comment by using a colon : --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:54, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, i forgot that.

Well, go to my User page to see the articles i've made.

I'm most interested in:

• Meteorology
• Places, flora of Hong Kong
• Plants, vegetables, fruits
• Providing photos for Wikipedia

Minor to moderate interest:

• Astronomy
• Geography

--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, I'd say let's hold off on the photos for now, since that's what got you in trouble in the first place. I have a simple assignment for you. I want you to take the opening paragraph of your userpage and write it below, but write it as if it appeared in an article. I want to see how well you can write. Make sure everything is grammatically correct and spelled correct as well. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I can't because i'm blocked. Besides, exactly which paragraph? And what do you want me to write?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I mean, copy it from your user page and retype it here. I'll copy it here. I want you to re-edit it and make it look professional, without any mistakes. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:22, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello everybody. I'm native gentlemen to Hong Kong. I don't speak bad language, smoke, drink, or gamble. Today, Earth100 has lived to edit Wikipedia, after braving through Typhoon Vicente(2012)'s furry on my home city. I made my first edit on , in a reply from a "In response to your feedback". One of my significant contributions to Wikipedia were photographs, however i was even blocked on Two occasions, once for 3 whole weeks and i never got any chance of getting unblocked.

I don't think i did well.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:36, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I going offline now. I'll be back in around 7-9 hours or so.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:41, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I'm going to bed now. As far as your edit, here are a few recommendations. Make sure when you use "I", it's upper-case, but non-important words like "Two" do not have to be capitalized. Make sure everything is spaced properly. Also, double check your writing for typos. Why don't you try once more. Being a good Wikipedian starts with being a good writer. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Earth, I want you to retry writing that paragraph. Again, check the suggestions I made above and try and make them. The first part of getting to be a better Wikipedian is being a better writer. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

How long do i have to wait to be unblocked. I am not adopted, but i'm not unblocked!--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 13:30, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I've asked Bbb23 to review the discussion. Generally speaking, we defer to the original admin who blocked before unblocking, except in cases of clear error (not relevant here). I've recommended personally that any unblock be accompanied by extremely strict rules; let's see if those can be agreed upon. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay. But am i allowed to make a nomination in the Wikipedia featured picture candidates? That should be okay.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 13:53, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't think you should focus on such details. One of the things I think you have to improve is your impulses to doing certain things. In other words, you have to develop patience and discipline. I'm going to start a new section just below this to discuss the unblocking conditions.

Disagree. I've been doing a lot of good in images. Very unreasonable and inhumane. --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 13

49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Earth, while you may of been doing good in getting images sorted, several of us think it is better we start you off with the basics before working our way upwards towards images. Work with Hink and scratch his back - he can be very reasonable and may even scratch your back once you have got more established.Jason Rees (talk) 14:14, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:00, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I started a mentorship page - here. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:13, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Unblocking conditions

I'd like to get input on the conditions from Qwyxrian, Inks, Hink (is that what you like to be called?), and Earth on the final conditions, but I'll start off here:

1. The conditions will last for six months, at which point they should be reevaluated to see if some or all of them can be lifted.
2. Earth cannot edit any articles without advance permission from Hink. No response from Hink is not a justification for Earth making the edit. However, he may consult with another administrator if Hink has not responded within 48 hours, as long as Earth makes the other admin aware of these conditions.
3. Earth can edit his own user space and article talk pages. However, he is cautioned against controversial or intermperate edits. In the case of doubt, he should consult with Hink before making any contributions that others might consider objectionable.
4. Earth cannot upload any images without permission from Hink.
5. Earth shall not make any personal attacks or attacks against nationalities or groups.
6. Any violation of the above conditions will result in an indefinite block. The blocking administrator may consult with Hink before blocking but is not required to do so.
7. If Earth is reblocked, the standard WP:OFFER applies, meaning he cannot be unblocked for at least six months.

I'm open to adding, removing, altering, etc., the conditions based on others' comments.

What? I can't upload images?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 14:41, 23 April 2013 (UTC) Besides, can i make a nomination for a featured image? I've already uploaded and photographed 4 Quality images on the commons! That's terrible! If i couldn't upload images! --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 14:41, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fair to limit uploading images. As I said above, that got you into trouble before. You should focus on your writing (both in terms of encyclopedia writing and how you deal with others). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

• I think #2 should be changed to any pages, excluding talk pages and WP:AN (and its subpages). There's no reason he needs to be making edits to other pages, especially images. Inks.LWC (talk) 18:26, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
  • What if for instance he wants to comment in a WT:WPTC discussion or update some WPTC-related stat. As long as if he is not making any personal attacks. I agree with restricting him edits from images though. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane}

I agree with Inks here. There's no reason for someone going through a mentoring process to be worrying about back-end stuff like nominating featured pictures, etc. But speaking more broadly about pictures, the big issues I saw before were the choices Earth was making as to which particular picture should be in an article--WP:OR was raised, as were general issues surrounding consensus building and edit warring. My thinking is that we want to make you, Earth100, most likely to succeed. Giving you access to something that's 1) fairly complex and 2) has specifically caused you trouble before is not in your best interest. Yes, of course, you should eventually learn how to tell the difference between a contextually appropriate image and one that falls into OR, but it simply doesn't make sense for you to start way up at such a difficult level. Note that it doesn't even say you can't upload images: it just says you can't upload them without prior permission of your mentor. If I was your mentor, I wouldn't give you permission to do that until I'd seen at least a month of good work from you, but the exact timing will be up to Hurricanehink

Also, with regards to point 1, I would extend that time to no less than 72 hours, probably more like one week. If Earth100 has to wait because Hurricanehink has real life issues, well, that's okay with me. This should be understood to be an exceptional offer, beyond what anyone (either admin, mentor, or the editors Earth100 will eventually be interacting with) is required to deal with by our rules or even by any sort of ethical obligation. This process exists because we believe that Earth100 has the potential to be a good editor, given that he has both knowledge and enthusiasm...but that these 2 very things have caused him to ignore the other part of Wikipedia work, which is policies/collaboration.

Finally, to be honest, I would collapse 2, 3, and 4 into a single rule: Earth100 cannot make any edits or uploads anywhere on Wikipedia outside of his userspace or the userspace of his mentor without prior guidance from his mentor. His mentor may, solely at his discretion, provide exceptions to this as Earth100 improves. For instance, when the mentor believes Earth100 is ready, he may allow Earth100 to make a certain number or type of edits directly to other namespaces without prior approval. That is, the default here is "don't edit anywhere without asking permission first; your mentor can and will give you permission once he feels you're ready." But I don't mind the current version if that seems clearer to the involved parties. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:12, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify, when I said, "excluding talk pages", I meant talk pages on all namespaces, article talks, user talks, WP talks, etc. Inks.LWC (talk) 02:44, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, i understand, thanks Qwyrxian for making more confirmations. But i still don't get this answer: So i can't upload files in Wikipedia, but okay in commons? --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 02:01, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

While we can't stop him from uploading pictures to the Commons, I think it should be part of his unbanning agreement that he not upload pictures. That's what led to his first scuffle with Meow, so I don't think it's a good idea for him to be uploading pictures. Inks.LWC (talk) 02:53, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

That's unfair, i've been doing a lot of good things in uploading photos, and there hasn't been any major problems. Banning me for uploading photos, is doing more bad than good. In fact, you are blocking someone making contributions. Besides, if Hink thinks i'm okay to go,should i still follow the rules for 6 months? And i'm now adopted, why aren't i unblocked yet?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 12:54, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree you should wait six months, actually, and you should refrain from doing images for now. You need to learn patience for your editing, that's partly the reason you haven't been unblocked. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Based on the input from others, here are the latest set of conditions to be evaluated:

1. Earth100 cannot edit or upload anywhere on Wikipedia outside of his userspace or his mentor's userspace without prior guidance from his mentor. His mentor may, at his discretion, provide exceptions as Earth100 improves. As an example, if the mentor believes Earth100 is ready, he may allow Earth100 to make a certain number or type of edits directly to other namespaces without prior approval.
2. Earth shall not make any personal attacks or attacks against nationalities or groups.
3. Any violation of the above conditions will result in an indefinite block. The blocking administrator may consult with Earth100's mentor before blocking but is not required to do so.
4. If Earth is reblocked, the standard WP:OFFER applies, meaning he cannot be unblocked for at least six months.

As an aside, I don't believe we can prevent Earth100 from uploading images to Commons. However, we can prevent him from using any of those images on the English Wikipedia.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:19, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

We cannot prevent him from uploading to the Commons, but we can make it a stipulation of his unblocking agreement. Inks.LWC (talk) 20:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm uncomfortable with that. Effectively, we are then saying we will block him for off-wiki behavior. The boundaries of when that is appropriate are murky, at least to me. If he uploads an image to Commons, which he then uses (disruptively) in an English Wikipedia article, that would be a problem, but it already covered by Condition #1. However, that same image could possibly be used in another wikipedia that has different standards from ours, and there's nothing wrong with that. Or he could upload an image to Commons that would not be disruptive here, and he could then get approval from his mentor to insert it into an article. I think that's sufficient.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:34, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. Inks.LWC (talk) 21:29, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, i have read the strict rules, and i wish to be unblocked under the conditions.

More Questions:

• Does that mean when i upload images to commons i cannot use it in Wikipedia? Why am i asking is because some of the images is beneficial, and simply said, providing better images to Wikipedia.
• If i see a Vandalism on the English Wikipedia, does it mean i am not allowed to revert it?

--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 02:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

The answer to both of those would be that you cannot do either without Hink's permission. Inks.LWC (talk) 02:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I am now still blocked, and i couldn't ask Hink for any permission. Every day that passes is a day that could have been used to contribute!--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:02, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

One of the things you're going to have to learn if you're unblocked is patience, so you might as well start practicing now. We are working together to unblock you, but there's no urgency to it. At this point, I am waiting to hear whether the unblock conditions are now acceptable to Hink and to Qwyrxian. Once the conditions are "approved", I will unblock you.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:12, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for replying, i'll now be patient .--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 13:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

These conditions are fair. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm also fine with the current unblocking conditions. And I agree with Bbb23 that we should not attempt to regulate Earth100's activities on Commons. While commons is a huge mess, they do get angry when en.wiki people attempt to regulate them. If people over there think that what he's doing has value, then fine. Qwyrxian (talk) 16:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone. As soon as I finish writing this, I will unblock Earth100. For reference, I have created User:Earth100/Unblock conditions 4-25-13, which spells out the unblock conditions above and adds his mentor's name. @Earth100, the conditions are what control, but to the extent that comments here illuminate those conditions, they may also be relevant in the case of a dispute. My last advice to you is patience and happy editing. (I'm going to take the liberty of removing the adoption template from your user page.)--Bbb23 (talk) 18:11, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank You so much!--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 23:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Edits

Please make requests on the mentorship page I have created, and be sure to answer my task there. Jason was right - there is no need for a gallery. Your idea of "cleaning up" sounds like copyediting, but I want to make sure you can do that first. If you can't copyedit that paragraph on your user page, I'm concerned about you cleaning up other pages. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:17, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I've made a followup administrative comment to your request on Hurricanehink's talk page. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:28, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Where's the mentorship page?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 08:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I linked to it on this talk page at the bottom of the section called Mentorship. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 12:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, i didn't know where the link was until now, because i wasn't here at that time, and there was loads of messages to read.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 13:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

And can you just approve it on your talk page? --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 13:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Please make edit requests on your mentorship page. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll post it again - User:Earth100/Mentorship. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, i just made a request on that page, but Qwyrxian for some reason says that this is the last chance, and i'll get blocked again. What did i done? I was supposed to follow your orders isn't it?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:43, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't know how you misunderstood this, because I explained this before. Mentorship means that your mentor teaches you how to edit Wikipedia. Your mentor has given you an assignment. Your job now is to do that assignment. Maybe, after that assignment, and one, two, or fifty more, Hinks will feel you're ready to start recommending pages to edit. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You mean i can't request anything? I got to put this image up! I done it before, and am i not allowed to to it? And Hink can you please come here to make things straight? --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 06:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Please!--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 06:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You haven't yet been able to fix your user page description paragraph so that it is using proper grammar. Working with images is like step 89, and Hink is still waiting for you to finish step 2. Stop worrying about editing any articles. You're not ready yet. You need to focus on the assignments that Hink has given you. That's what mentorship is about. The images can wait. There's no rush. And you need to start using colons to indent on talk pages. Inks.LWC (talk) 06:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Can i just update that image? I did it before, and didn't get into any trouble, it isn't against the polices, so why can't i just update that image?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 08:16, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I need to update that image!--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 08:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

As Inks said, what you need to do is fix the assignment on your mentorship page and not worry about updating images every 5 minutes.Jason Rees (talk) 11:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Please, i want Hink and Inks is supposed to respond to these messages. Not you, but thank you.

Besides, you don't understand. Those images gotta be updated. Now, look, Supportstorm has already updated, it and if he could do it without getting block why can't i? --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 11:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

If you wanna update your images, then I suggest you do what Hink told you on the mentorship page, and months down thw road, you could eventually edit articles and update images. But until then, please focus on the mentorship page. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 12:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Please everybody i know you want to help, but i am now patiently waiting for Hink and Ink to reply me, Thank You.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 12:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

While you wait, you could reply to Hink's assignment on your mentorship page. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane}

I actually think that it would be best for Earth100 if everyone other than Hinks left him alone, unless an admin such as myself of Bbb23 need to intervene. While I know that many of you are trying to help, it probably feels like unneeded pressure to Earth100. At this point, enough people have told Earth100 what he needs to do, and it's up to him whether or not he does it. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Earth, I watch your talk page, so there's no need to tell me when you reply here. But I'm not going to keep repeating myself. You've been told what you have to do. Please don't leave more messages on my talk page telling me to reply here. Thank you. Inks.LWC (talk) 22:22, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Qwyrxian.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:20, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Better image

Have a look at my image in the file history of BOB 01 and Jamala 2013-05-10 0900Z.png. Wouldn't it be better? As it looks better in all aspects Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 13:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks better, but chances are it isn't naturally like that.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 14:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, okay. Thanks. Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 14:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)