User talk:Elifkos1

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Paid editing?[edit]

Hello Elifkos1. Your edits look as if you are being paid. Paid promotion is an especially egregious type of conflict of interest (COI)
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copied rely below here in order to keep discussion in one place; reply was left on my talk page in this diff Jytdog (talk) 13:19, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jytdog,

I'm writing regarding the recent changes to the Souvenaid Wiki page. I did indeed update the page on behalf of someone, who would now like to answer your questions regarding the origin/reasons for the updates.

Dear Jytdog,

I’m the originator of the requested changes on the wikipedia Souvenaid page. Being unfamiliar with wikipedia edits, I asked for some help and this request had been forwarded until final someone was found who is more familiar with wiki than I’m. Elifkos1. I don’t know Elifkos personally, but I’m very grateful for the help.

What is my background?

From the beginning I’ve been involved as an academic with what has become Fortasyn Connect (aka Souvenaid).

Are you paid for this?

I receive and continue to receive my salary from my university. I did not receive any funds for changing the wiki, nor will I, nor did I or will I pay anyone to do so. I did not pay or promise to pay Elifkos1.

Why do I want the information to be changed?

Because the information given is incorrect and has been incorrect for many years. Trusting in the self- healing abilities of Wiki, I and others who know the details, expected that this information will sooner or later be corrected. It never happened.

Reasons:

The source given in revision of 6th Sept 2017 (edit by Jytdog) does not provide information which would allow one to arrive at the replacement sentence: "Souvenaid is the result of research by investigators from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), and other international groups being conducted since 2002. Much of the research was led by MIT Professor Richard Wurtman.5" This information is unsubstantiated by a correct source and should be replaced by information substantiated by correctly sourced information.

Required change: replace incorrectly sourced information with multiple correctly sourced references and information; total of 17 sources are provided:

Development of concept

The multi-nutrient combination (Fortasyn Connect) is supported by almost 20 years of extensive research, based on initial preclinical research by Prof. Kiliaan (Radboud University, the Netherlands)[1-3,6,7,11], by the LipiDiet and LipiDiDiet projects, coordinated by Prof. Hartmann (Saarland University, Germany) and funded by the European Union FP5 and FP7 research programs[4-11], and by Prof. Wurtman (formerly at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, U.S.A) supported principally by the National Institutes of Health[12-14].

1. de Wilde MC, Farkas E, Gerrits M, Kiliaan AJ, Luiten PG: The effect of n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acid-rich diets on cognitive and cerebrovascular parameters in chronic cerebral hypoperfusion. Brain Res 2002, 947(2):166-173.

2. Farkas E, de Wilde MC, Kiliaan AJ, Meijer J, Keijser JN, Luiten PG: Dietary long chain PUFAs differentially affect hippocampal muscarinic 1 and serotonergic 1A receptors in experimental cerebral hypoperfusion. Brain Res 2002, 954(1):32-41.

3. de Bruin NMWJ, Kiliaan AJ, de Wilde MC, Broersen LM: Combined uridine and choline administration improves cognitive deficits in spontaneously hypertensive rats. Neurobiology of Learning and Memory 2003, 80(1):63-79.

4. https://idw-online.de/de/news647626

5. http://www.lipididiet.eu/index.php?id=16065

6. Hogyes E, Nykas C, Kiliaan A, Farkas T, Penke B and Luiten PGM: Neuroprotective effect of developmental DHA supplement against excitotoxic brain damage in infant rats. Neuroscience 2003, 119: 999–1012

7. de Wilde MC, Hogyes E, Kiliaan AJ, Farkas T, Luiten PG, Farkas E: Dietary fatty acids alter blood pressure, behavior and brain membrane composition of hypertensive rats. Brain Res 2003, 988(1-2):9-19.

8. Levi O, Lutjohann D, Devir A, von Bergmann K, Hartmann T, Michaelson DM: Regulation of hippocampal cholesterol metabolism by apoE and environmental stimulation. J Neurochem 2005, 95(4):987-997.

9. Grimm, M.O., H.S. Grimm, A.J. Patzold, E.G. Zinser, R. Halonen, M. Duering, J.A. Tschape, B. De Strooper, U. Muller, J. Shen, and T. Hartmann, (2005). Regulation of cholesterol and sphingomyelin metabolism by amyloid-beta and presenilin. Nat Cell Biol, 7: p. 1118-23

10. Oksman M, Iivonen H, Hogyes E, Amtul Z, Penke B, Leenders I, Broersen L, Lutjohann D, Hartmann T, Tanila H: Impact of different saturated fatty acid, polyunsaturated fatty acid and cholesterol containing diets on beta-amyloid accumulation in APP/PS1 transgenic mice. Neurobiol Dis 2006, 23(3):563-572.

11. Hooijmans CR, Rutters F, Dederen PJ, Gambarota G, Veltien A, van Groen T, Broersen LM, Lutjohann D, Heerschap A, Tanila H and Kiliaan AJ: Changes in cerebral blood volume and amyloid pathology in aged Alzheimer APP/PS1 mice on a docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) diet or cholesterol enriched typical western diet (TWD). Neurobiology of Disease 2007, 28(1):16-29.

12. Sakamoto T, Cansev M, Wurtman RJ: Oral supplementation with docosahexaenoic acid and uridine-5'-monophosphate increases dendritic spine density in adult gerbil hippocampus. Brain Res 2007, 1182:50-59.

13. Teather LA, Wurtman RJ: Chronic administration of UMP ameliorates the impairment of hippocampal-dependent memory in impoverished rats. J Nutr 2006, 136(11):2834-2837.

14. Wurtman RJ, Ulus IH, Cansev M, Watkins CJ, Wang L, Marzloff G: Synaptic proteins and phospholipids are increased in gerbil brain by administering uridine plus docosahexaenoic acid orally. Brain Res 2006, 1088(1):83-92.

Who wrote the text?

I did.

Who helped you writing the text?

No one, but I used sources.

What is the text sourced on?

The text is largely based on a press release (ref 4), this press release is a consented public document of the LipiDiDiet research consortium. Details on the LipiDiDiet consortium can be seen at ref 5.

Additional information is based on the other primary sources listed.

Use of primary sources and press releases

There are no secondary sources (aka New York Times) on this topic; other than sources that used the wiki as source. You know that kind of problem.

Action

Option 1 -The incorrect information is removed, and remains removed.

Or

Option 2 - The incorrect information is removed, and replaced by accurate and accurately sourced information.

I’m aware that you take the position that primary sources should be avoided. It is not my place to judge that. However, absence of secondary sources cannot be a justification to keep incorrect information at Wikipedia.

Please tell me which option above (if any) violates Wikipedia rules. I will then submit changes accordingly, and I will do the changes myself (at lest I learn a bit on how to deal with Wikipedia edits).

I fully respect your request to not proceed before clarification (‘please do not edit further until you answer this message’) and invite you to email me directly should you have any further questions. Please do not show my email address in wiki, I already get enough spam. Elifkos1 can give you my email address.

Thank you for your involvement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elifkos1 (talk • contribs) 08:38, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Elifkos1, thanks for your reply and for starting to make the required disclosure. We can deal with content in a little while; the first thing needed here is for you -- the person who is present here in Wikipedia -- to complete the required disclosure. Would you please disclose:

You employer (for example, you could be a freelancer (self-employed), you could work a PR or digital marketing agency or for Nutricia; you could be a postdoc in one of the academic labs, etc...),
Who is the client?
Is there any other relevant affiliation with Nutricia or the client?

Please be aware that confidentiality is not an option with regard to these three pieces of information; these disclosures are obligatory.

Once you reply, I can get you better oriented as to other aspects of paid editing in Wikipedia, and to working in Wikipedia in general.

With regard to the client; if they want to present here in Wikipedia, they should create an account, and they should disclose their COI as well, at their account. I'll be happy to talk with them separately at their talk page.

Please reply here, just below this. Please indent your posts (please see WP:INDENT) and please sign your posts by typing four tildas as the end of your comment. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 13:42, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message. I was asked by a friend to update the site on behalf of the academic mentioned in the previous response. The reason I was asked was because I knew (or rather could easily work out) how to update the copy and required referencing on the Wikipedia page. I was not paid for this work - it was a favour for a friend. We now appreciate that rather than saving us time, it has added unnecessary complexity to what should have been a simple update. I am now withdrawing and handing over to the academic in question who will update the page himself using instructions available online.Elifkos1 (talk) 13:05, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That person should not directly update their own article! That is direct conflict of interest. Argh. Please have the person read WP:COI. Jytdog (talk) 21:17, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]