User talk:Eliiva

Hi Eliiva, thanks for writing the article on Vasil Nikolov Karagiosov!

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Speedy deletion nomination of Koljo Karagiosov

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If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion," which appears inside of the speedy deletion ({{db-...}}) tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Shirt58 (talk) 10:42, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Stefan Nedev Karagiosov

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Speedy deletion nomination of Ivan Kolchev Kalpazanov

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A hint about biography articles

Hi, Eliiva and thank you for contributions to the Wikipedia project.
In this English language Wikipedia, sources in English are preferred. Using references that are not in English is OK! When you start biography articles, please include references. They don't have to be in English. If you don't add any references at all, the articles may be deleted.
--Shirt58 (talk) 12:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Koljo Karagiosov for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Koljo Karagiosov is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koljo Karagiosov until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Shirt58 (talk) 12:43, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Apology

As a rather experienced editor and administrator working mainly with biographical articles up for deletion, and working frequently with articles translated from other Wikipedias, I need to apologize to you of behalf of the encyclopedia. You have done very valuable work translating these articles, and I urge you to continue. We are in great need of people who can deal with some of the less=used European languages. (Though I can read French and German and a little Russian, I would never dare to translate a long or complicated article myself. I have done a few small ones, and have often fixed up prose from a Google translation.)

There's a common bias here --due entirely to miseducation and ignorance -- that anything that cannot be found in a simple search on the Googles is not notable, though it's rather rarer for someone to say that what cannot be found there does not exist at all. The AfD expresses the fortunately rarer opinion that anything that can't be found there in the Roman alphabet is necessarily non-notable--most people know enough to realize that sources in other alphabets must be looked for using the names in the other alphabet, but most people do not know how to do the back-transliteration--which indeed is sometimes ambiguous.

It is established policy, as mentioned above, that sources in any language are acceptable. The policy has recently been amended to say a translation is necessary only for disputed or controversial material. Offline sources are long established as similarly acceptable, though it is also the case that for something disputed or controversial, a transcription of the key part is required. Those needs for transcription or translation do not appear to apply to your subject.

It is practice, though, that in translating from another Wikipedia, it is not sufficient to just give the interwiki link; the edit summary and the talk page should indicate from where the article was translated, with a link to the actual edit present at the time it was translated. That the interwiki link was not even noticed or was ignored as irrelevant when the article were put up for speedy is inexcusable, but it happens at least once a day. It has of course not infrequently been the case that an article on another wiki meets their notability requirements but not ours--but this does not apply here. It has even been the case that someone has inserted a hoax on another wiki and also here and the other wiki has not yet noticed it. and that has sometimes been the case for quite elaborate articles. But such always require investigation before deletion, in order to be sure.

There is one practice here you should know: the English Wikipedia does not like to accept unreferenced articles, and forbids them altogether for living people--not that this part applies here. (There is likely to be support for a proposal to absolutely forbid them on all subjects.) Therefore, articles that do not have references at the very first edit are quite apt to be listed for deletion immediately. (A little time is supposed to be allowed, but that's frequently ignored.) Unfortunately, many people who translate from another wiki do not include the references (partly because Google translate does not handle them well) When I see that, I simply copy them over intact in the original language as a starting point. There's another problem that most other Wikipedias do accept unreferenced articles if the material is reasonably obvious, either as policy or practice, and sometimes therefore the original Wikipedia article is unreferenced. This creates a problem, and when I encounter this I look for at least one reference in some language.

I assume your primary language is Bulgarian? You might want to put a statement about the languages you know on you user page--we normally employ userboxxes for the purpose--see Wikipedia:Babel and Wikipedia:Babel/List. There is considerable feeling among those proficient in languages that Google translations are not adequate. Indeed they are not, in terms of producing proper article in even reasonably English. But most of us with limited proficiency find them extremely helpful as a starting point. With a little experience, one learns what they are likely to get wrong, and what the intended meaning is. (In particular, many other languages use tenses differently than English.)

If I can help you further, please let me know on my talk page, or email me from my user page. DGG ( talk ) 20:25, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

and, by the way, it is permissible to remove any messages you choose from your own talkpage, but if they are a warning or a notice, it is taken as an indication you have read them. DGG ( talk ) 20:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)