User talk:Epicgenius/Archive/2016/Feb

Saturday February 6 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon

Saturday February 6 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon

You are invited to join us and the AfroCROWD initiative at New York Public Library's Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture for our upcoming editathon, a part of the Black WikiHistory Month campaign. Saturday February 6 Black Life Matters Editathon (RSVP). 12:00pm - 5:00 pm at NYPL Schomburg Center, 515 Malcolm X Boulevard (Lenox Avenue), by W 135th St The Wikipedia training and editathon will take place in the Aaron Douglas Reading Room of the Jean Blackwell Hutson Research and Reference Division, with a reception following in the Langston Hughes lobby on the first floor of the building at 5:00pm. We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 19:17, 1 February 2016 (UTC) (Bonus upcoming event: WikiWednesday Salon @ Babycastles - Wednesday, February 17)

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WDW Monorail Line

I don't know what extent you did stuff with the WDW monorail s-line templates, but to me, it seems even more confusing now. In my opinion, most of your changes have made the information present even more confusing, not less. By saying that the line is circular, it is implied that it only travels in one direction (making the "One-way operation" part useless). Also, TTC is not the Terminus of any of the lines. In fact, there are no terminus-es (don't know the plural) on the line, because they are all circles. There are no ends to circles. The only place that could be considered a terminus in normal operation would be the maintenance shop, since a monorail could not continue moving forward through it. I'd like to have a discussion about this before I try to undo everything again (I was in the middle of doing it and thought this would be better). Elisfkc (talk) 07:00, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

@Elisfkc: Thanks for bringing your concerns up. When I rode on the monorail, I observed that the conductor always mentioned the previous stop as the last stop, and so on. (It wasn't really like that, but you can really ride forever in one of these things.) And actually, since the Epcot and express lines have two stations, it's safe to say that they both end at TTC, even though they operationally run in circles.

For an example closer to my hometown, South Ferry is considered the terminus of a NYC Subway line, even though it's on a loop, so technically the train never terminates at South Ferry. However, that is how it's portrayed on maps. A similar thing applies to the Epcot line, but I don't know about the express line because the express monorail does not go back the same way it came. epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

And by the way, the plural of "terminus" is "termini." epicgenius (talk) 23:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Having been on it two days ago, the automated system says the stop you are approaching, the next stop, and all of the stops except the previous stop. For example, "This is Disney's Grand Floridian Resort and Spa. The next stop is the Magic Kingdom, with continuing service to Disney's Contemporary Resort and the Transportation and Ticket Center." (as heard in the background here) Both lines do not go back the same way they came (Epcot runs through the park when heading to the Epcot Station, but not on the return.). Since they run circular and not as a shuttle service, I see them as having no termini (thanks for that). If they were a shuttle service (meaning they run on the same path back and forth) then it would be a termini. Elisfkc (talk) 01:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

@Elisfkc: I see; since the resort and express lines are circles, they don't really have termini. However, the two directions of the Epcot line go along the same right-of-way next to World Drive, and then it crosses across Epcot Center Drive and across the parking lot. The only two places where the Epcot tracks do not run parallel to each other are in the TTC parking lot and around Future World. epicgenius (talk) 02:15, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

That's true, but I feel that it is more confusing to readers to call them termini. In what I picture a termini, it is somewhere where the train changes directions (and usually changes tracks as well) and/or somewhere where passengers must get off. Neither is the case for any of the trains. Elisfkc (talk) 21:09, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Except for the Epcot line, where you actually go back in more or less the same line you came. Most people don't go in loops from Epcot to Epcot, anyway. epicgenius (talk) 21:13, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA

	Hawkeye7 RfA Appreciation award
	Thank you for participating in and supporting my RfA. It was very much appreciated. Don't think I'll run for president though. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:15, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: No problem. You should run, though. You would have a good chance against Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders. ;) Anyway, good luck , and I hope to support you in a future RFA. epicgenius (talk) 21:19, 1 February 2016 (UTC) (Oops, I forgot your RFA's crat chat didn't close yet. epicgenius (talk) 21:24, 1 February 2016 (UTC))

As my Dad would say: "How hard can it be? Look at the people who are doing it!" Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Not hard at the very least.... epicgenius (talk) 21:24, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Randolph Street station (South Shore Line)

Randolph Street station (South Shore Line) and related redirects seem implausible to me; what was your reasoning behind creating them? I ask because I'm gearing up to purge all the old (NICTD) redirects and I ran across these. Best, Mackensen (talk) 15:23, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Mackensen: Randolph Street Station redirects to Millennium Station, as does Randolph Street station. I created these redirects because there are some articles (not at redirects) that are named "X station (South Shore Line)" or "X station (NICTD)", so this is a consistent naming pattern. epicgenius (talk) 15:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

On further thought, though, Millennium station (lowercase) and its forks would be better redirects, though someone may still link to Randolph Street station (lowercase) or Randolph Street Station (uppercase). epicgenius (talk) 15:49, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I think we should deprecate the NICTD redirects entirely--nothing (?) actually uses them at this point. Mackensen (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I don't really disapprove of keeping the NICTD redirects, because someone may still be using the old redirects (such as websites that permalink the wiki page on their sites, or people who haven't gotten used to the new naming system yet). Besides, the way it's used in these links, NICTD is virtually a shorter synonym for South Shore Line. epicgenius (talk) 16:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Koreatown, Long Island

Hi there, Epicgenius. Don't mean to rush you, but just wanted to refresh your talk page with this section title as a gentle reminder to please keep the image procurement issue from Union Street on your radar. Again no rush, just simply a reminder. Thanks again! Best, Castncoot (talk) 22:33, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Castncoot: I'm on it, notwithstanding stuff that happens in real life. epicgenius (talk) 02:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again. Best, Castncoot (talk) 04:13, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Dempster disambig

Why move Dempster to a title with a disambiguator? The only other Dempster station already has a disambiguator in the title (-Skokie) and the Evanston station has a hatnote leading to the Skokie station. Disambiguation in the title is entirely unnecessary. Lost on  Belmont ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 01:13, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Lost on Belmont: The article Dempster station was moved from Dempster (CTA Purple Line station). In case there is some lingering ambiguity with the Yellow Line station, I moved the Purple Line station's article to a more descriptive title. After all, it's better to be safe than sorry, especially when it comes to USSTATION. epicgenius (talk) 02:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Seems like a total inconsistency and in that case Argyle should be moved back to Argyle station (CTA) to be better safe than sorry. Lost on  Belmont ^3200N_1000W  (talk) 22:40, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Lost on Belmont: Sure, as long as readers don't look for the Metra station and get the CTA station instead. I'm planning on making some redirects from unambiguous titles to ambiguous subjects, anyway.epicgenius (talk) 00:47, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

(BTW, with Metra, that was a theoretical example. There is no Argyle station on Metra.) epicgenius (talk) 00:49, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA

	Brianhe RfA Appreciation award
	Thank you for participating at my RfA. Your support was very much appreciated even if I did get a bit scorched. Brianhe (talk) 03:23, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

@Brianhe: My pleasure. I am sorry you did not get to become admin this time around, but give it a few more months, and you should definitely try again. Next time around, I'll likely support more strongly anyway ;) epicgenius (talk) 03:48, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

	Peacemaker67 RfA Appreciation award
	Thank you for participating and supporting at my RfA. It was very much appreciated, and I am humbled that the community saw fit to trust me with the tools. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:00, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

@Peacemaker67: No problem. Good luck with your new admin tools! epicgenius (talk) 22:47, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Draft:Template:NYCS Platform Layout

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I withdrew it and moved it to User:Epicgenius/Template:NYCS Platform Layout. Thanks! -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:29, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

OK, thanks. epicgenius (talk) 14:37, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

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Merger discussion for Joseph Scelsi Intermodal Transportation Center

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Feb 16: Art+Feminism Training / Photo-Poetics @ Guggenheim
Feb 17: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Tuesday February 16, 5:30pm: Art+Feminism Training / Photo-Poetics @ Guggenheim
You are invited to join us for an evening of social Wikipedia training and editing at the Guggenheim, with a workshop given by the Art+Feminism project to prepare for next month's major campaign, and a tour and edit-a-thon of Photo-Poetics: An Anthology. Tuesday, February 16 Art+Feminism Training / Photo-Poetics @ Guggenheim (RSVP at Eventbrite - Participants have to bring their own laptops and power cords). 5:30pm - 8:30pm at Sackler Center Media Lab, Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, 1071 Fifth Avenue; enter through 89th Street staff entrance
Wednesday February 17, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. This month, we will also host a Newcomer's Wiki Workshop for those getting started on the encyclopedia project! We will also include a look at our annual plan and budget ideas, and welcome input from community members on the sorts of projects the chapter should support through both volunteer and budgetary efforts. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery! Wednesday December 17 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 137 West 14th Street We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! (One talk this month will be on use of Wikipedia press passes for photographers.) Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 00:28, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

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Death of Victoria Snelgrove

Hello,

Your recent edit of Death of Victoria Snelgrove does not appear to be constructive.

Could you please explain why have removed the existing text? --Hindustanilanguage (talk) 03:55, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

@Hindustanilanguage: It does appear to be constructive, per WP:ELNO. epicgenius (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the speedy clarification. --Muzammil (talk) 03:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters. Legobot (talk) 04:25, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/White Privilege II

Epicgenius, please do not ever move nomination templates, as you did with this one. It always messes things up, and I just had to fix this one beyond the fixes you made. Please see T:TDYK#How to move a nomination subpage to a new name, which basically says not to. Thanks. Also, by adding the ? icon as you did in the review, you effectively drove away potential reviewers; I've renewed the call for a full review. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:14, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: I don't get it, why shouldn't the template be moved? Anyway, I won't do it again. epicgenius (talk) 00:07, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Also, would it be a good idea to review the article, or should I not do it? epicgenius (talk) 00:08, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Los Angeles

Not sure what your goal is with Los Angeles area train stations, but please review reliable sources and page discussions before moves. You created a nonsensical redirect. Metrolink and Metro are completely different systems (confusing, I know). "LACMTA" is rarely used; the common abbreviation for that system is simply "Metro". Obviously, that term on its own is still ambiguous, so earlier discussion established a consensus of "Los Angeles Metro" as the general disambiguator. If you'd like to propose a consistent disambiguation for LA Metro (not Metrolink) stations, I'd suggest the already-established "Los Angeles Metro". --Regards, James(^talk/_contribs) 19:28, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

@James Allison: "LACMTA" was used before, so I used it again, although I agree that the "Los Angeles Metro" disambiguators should have been used. Thanks for notifying me. epicgenius (talk) 00:07, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the agency used to more commonly use that abbreviation but it's been phased out over the last few years. No problem. --Regards, James(^talk/_contribs) 02:51, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

50 West Street

Can you take a lot to the additions I've made to this article? I have a good English level but I'm not native. Thank you in advance Doblecaña (talk) 15:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

@Doblecaña: Sure. I'll look it over. Thanks, epicgenius (talk) 15:35, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, that was fast. I've resolved a little edit conflict as I was adding information to the article. Feel free, if you have the time, to correct subsequent edits.Doblecaña (talk) 16:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

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Metro stations

When you change the leads of train stations to omit the word "station," although that might be okay in many instances, it is not OK when the name of the station is also the name of something else, as in "Palms" (a neighborhood) and "Pershing Square" (a city park). Do you agree? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 08:14, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

@BeenAroundAWhile: I don't necessarily see it that way. The reason is because the station itself is also called "Pershing Square" or "Palms," and although the station articles were moved only recently from "XXX (YYY station)" to "XXX station," the stations themselves have not changed.

If we want to disambiguate the station from the "something else" that is also mentioned in the article, we can add "the XXX station" later on within the article. However, we should keep the lead simple, to just say "XXX is a station...". When we say "XXX station is a station...", we are just being redundant by saying "station" twice. epicgenius (talk) 14:31, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

LA Metro station recategorization

Hey @Epicgenius

Just wanted to let you know that I'm going through all of the Metro Rail articles and replacing the {{LACMTA station}} with your new Allen, for example. Not sure what's left to do, but on the station list, there is quite a bit of LACMTA to replace. I just wanted to give you a heads up!

Thanks!--TJH2018 (talk) 22:52, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

@TJH2018: No problem. And do you mean {{LACMTA stations}}? That can be easily reconfigured. epicgenius (talk) 00:14, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes! More specifically, the list of Metro stations all have the old LACMTA tl. I accidentally jumped the gun and made a few statistical edits that I should've made in two weeks. To preserve the edit undo, I'll get back to you on the 5th. (PS: I reàlly like your user page! Keep it up!) --TJH2018 (talk) 01:50, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

@TJH2018: Thanks for the compliment! Also, it will just be easier to update the navboxes with {{LACMTA stations|station=XXX Station name}}. epicgenius (talk) 01:54, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so not the new LA Metro station|station name template?--TJH2018 (talk) 01:56, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

@TJH2018: The stations were actually moved the other way around, from "X (LACMTA station)" to "X station" as per WP:USSTATION. epicgenius (talk) 01:58, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok! Thanks for the clarification!TJH2018 (talk) 01:59, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Policy regarding tenant list on buildings

Is there any policy about it? I think it should be discouraged especially when it is a bullet list, where anybody can add their company without proper references. My opinion is that only releveant companies that occupy a lot of floors can be mentiones in the body of the article, not in a separate section. Doblecaña (talk) 09:11, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

@Doblecaña: There is a policy, WP:TENANTS, which recommends not adding a tenant list. However, it only applies to malls. I guess only encyclopedic and referenced entries need to be included in the building articles. I don't know of an exact policy that applies to buildings. epicgenius (talk) 13:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

I think it is advisable to include a line or two discouraging this type on unreferenced lists. Doblecaña (talk) 13:53, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

@Doblecaña: I If you think so, please feel free to add that to the user essay. I don't think that these types of unreferenced lists are generally supposed on Wikipedia, if the five pillars are to be upheld. epicgenius (talk) 17:36, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

RfC you may be interested in

Since you were a participant in the discussion at Talk:Palms station#Palms station, you may be interested in the RfC at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Request for comment: Identification of train or railway stations in the lead. --Regards, James(^talk/_contribs) 17:49, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	You know boss when you see it, yourself. FixCop (talk) 02:45, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@FixCop: Nice! Thanks. epicgenius (talk) 03:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Second Av Subway Information

I'm having issues with this one guy who keeps reverting my edits even though I'm providing sourceful information and links, but nonetheless, let's worry about that later. Take a look at the (W) line page, on the top it says that when the (W) is going to come back, it will replace the (Q)'s current service pattern. I did the same thing on the (Q) line page, but just swapped it to say that the (Q) will terminate at 57 St - 7 Av temp when the (W) returns until the Second Av Subway opens. Can I get your take on this?AahdTahar (talk) 15:55, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@AahdTahar: You might want to wait until a few months before the pattern actually changes. The editor is right that most articles only include the current service pattern. However, the new info is also included in the body. epicgenius (talk) 16:14, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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