User talk:Fawcett5/Archive5

Borrowing archiving method

I hope you don't mind, but I'm borrowing your talk archiving banners and such. Great setup! Agriculture 16:27, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

I would have mentioned the RfC, but felt since we have an on going association of some type it was best to leave it to other mods, and contacted another. Agriculture 05:47, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the nom, I'm in the door

It looks like I am somewhat trusted. The consensus was to give me all the tools I need to make a mess of things. I'll try not to be an "immature" "stalker" like some of the other admins.  ;-) (Sorry, I just couldn't resist) -- JamesTeterenko 17:48, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Yeah thanks. I will accept, SqueakBox 01:24, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Cheers, mate, SqueakBox 05:23, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Concorde

Hello! Sorry about my vandalism, it won't happen again, it's just that pigsonthewing really pisses me off. 82.37.115.12

aeronautica 3d links

Hello, I notice a deletion of a link that directs users to 3d models of the subject aircraft involved on the page. Sorry if this turned out to be illegal. The models are free(except for some copyright rules). I've spent 10 years making these models and now allowing users to use on personal basis. Can you suggest an alternative method? Uploading the files? Can the links exists on the aircraft level? I see lots of familiar links by many organizations and companies - many I am familiar with. Thanks for your help and guidance.

BTW - I added all kinds of links at various aircraft levels and some on associated levels (like Navy Common Support aircraft - as I have these)

Wendell Olson wloaero@aol.com Aeronautica 3D

I see nothing wrong with linking to these pages as an external link. They appear to be very well done polygon mesh models and solid renditions, and are faithful and accurate to the real aircraft. I would like to see these links remain. Any objective reason why they shouldn't ?? Intersofia 03:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Closing VFDs

Hey, I noticed you closed a vfd buy just crossing out the title and typing a message under (this unfortuantly makes it harder for regular VFD admins on old pages to tell which ones are closed or not). Could you use the {{subst:vfd top}} and {{subst:vfd bottom}} tags? (its pretty self explanatory, stick vfd top on top of the text and vfd bottom on the bottom and type your reason right after vfd top) Thanks in advance! Sasquatch′↔T↔C 23:49, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Copyrighted material

Hi, the information that I had placed in the article for Herman William Quinton was not from any website but information gathered from The Encyclopedia of Newfoundland and Labrador. This encyclopedia is not in electronic form and only in limited copies. As a side note these books (book 1 of a 5 volume set) was personally signed by Joey Smallwood. The information I had supplied to the article was purely of a factual nature and not to encroach upon any copyright infringement. You may choose to allow it as it stands but any future information for Mr. Quinton will still give the same life history details. HJKeats 01:41, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Fenian Raids capitalization

Not disagreeing with you, but can you link to the relevant rule on this? --BruceR 14:33, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

• Thx for the cite, but it doesn't have a specific reference, and as far as I can tell the tendency in Wikipedia has been to consider raid in a military sense as analogous to "campaign" or "battle" and hence capitalized: see also Doolittle Raid, Palmer Raids, Dieppe Raid, Jameson Raid, St. Nazaire Raid, Grierson's Raid, Morgan's Raid and so on.--BruceR 14:59, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Lois Wilson

Lois Wilson is also the found of Al-Anon, a group for the friends and family of alcoholics. Her husband was Bill Wilson, the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous. She deserves her own page, and thus to make the transition easiest I moved Lois Miriam Wilson to a more exact article name and moved Lois Wilson of Al-Anon fame to that spot, creating a disambig. page as well as putting a disambig template at the top of both articles. Why the revert? JoeSmack (talk) 18:33, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

• There are several things that you did wrong. The first, and most serious, is that you executed a "cut-and-paste" move, which is strictly forbidden as it destroys the page history — now I will have to go and fix this. See Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page before doing any more moves. Next, you did not clean up any of the redirects and at least a dozen articles are now pointing to the wrong Lois Wilson. Finally, you should not have put the new Lois Wilson article at Lois Wilson, but rather at Lois Wilson (alanon) or something like that, and put the disambig page at Lois Wilson. I am not happy about having to clean up this mess, but I will take care of it. Fawcett5 18:44, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Categories

I know im probably not your favorite person right now, but my question is sitll over at the village pump on creating a Category. My Category:Alcohol_abuse is still not 'created', it still thinks it's new despite, i think, being over an hour old. I have almost three dozen articles +cated to it, and I was wondering why it hasn't done what it should.

Also the convention of [[:Category:Alcohol abuse|*]]....what does this do? thanks... JoeSmack (talk) 20:08, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Joe. Actually, I did not mean to bite, so apologies if I seemed overly terse. Checking all of your recent contributions, I see no evidence that the category was ever created. It should have appeared immediately — probably something went wrong. It seems like such a category is probably needed, but I caution you to carefully read WP:Categorization to see exactly where it should fit into the categorization scheme. It might potentially conflict with Category:Addiction and Category:Substance-related disorders. Probably those two cats should be merged - its currently a bit of a mess. Anyway, Alcohol abuse should PROBABLY be made a subcategory of one of these others. And note that generally only the most specific category should be used in any given article. As for the |* convention, it refers to alphabetization. For peoples names especially, use Category:whatever|Lastname, firstname inorder that things appear in the correct order in the category. Fawcett5 20:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

OK, I created the cat myself, as a subcat of Category:Substance-related disorders. You will want to go through the articles you added and remove the SRD cat unless the article is relevant than to more than just alcohol abuse. Fawcett5 20:32, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

LaLa

Thanks for your note; if I see anything odd, I'll be sure to act. My initial action was to block User:LaLa for 24 hours for vandalizing pages and making personal attacks; after she was blocked, she used her talk page to do the same, so I protected it and blocked her for a week. If I continue to see problems, I'll bring it up on AN/I for consideration of a permablock. -- Essjay · Talk 01:54, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Please look up defs for arrays before changing page

They are not called features, a feature is the physical address of a spot on an array, it doesn't have information pertaining to the sequence of DNA, If you look at the official documents on MGED, instead of just responding about something you don't know about, you will see what the definitions are. I guess we are going to have a reversion war now, because I have to revert back to the correct definitions, and of course, you will revert back, and eventually, someone will bother to go and read the MIAME specification (and the xml doc that does with it) and figure out that they are not called probes.srlasky 02:05, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

despite this, I appreciate all the work you have done on the wikipedia and do not mean to condemn or insult you, its just that, in this case, you are wrong about probes.srlasky 18:03, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

See ya pal

You're one of the coolest Wikipedians I've come to know. I'm shuffling off for good though in a week or so's time after I finish a few other things. I have no faith in Wikipedia. This place is run by the trolls. Agriculture 04:04, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Francis Cadell copyright vio

Thanks for notifying me of the copyright vio on Francis Cadell. I actually lifted the text from the Dictionary of Australian Biography, which is in the public domain. The website you found has probably lifted its text from the same source. I'm not fussed whether you leave the article as is, or revert the text I added - whatever you think is best for the article. It was bewildering thinking I could have committed copyright vio, because I regularly report it when I'm in New Pages patrol. :) Cnwb 23:42, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

The "FC" word

Regarding the Quebecois article. No, I am not on drugs. In the *real* Quebec, well hidden by those that find advantages in it, not the false one perpetuated in some circles outside, the "FC" (or rather "CF", in French) word becoming obsolete, eventually potentially negative, was an integral part of the Quiet Revolution. The latter article writes in all letters that the Quiet Revolution was, notably, "A transformation of the national identity among Francophone Quebecers (from Canadien français to the term Québécois)." It is late now, but I will love to bring the further arguments about this very soon. Respectfully. --Liberlogos 06:05, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

My "assertion that many people have never even heard the term" was referring to Quebecers, about the youth of those of the "Children of Bill 101" generation onward for which you can grow up for years without hearing the word once. And it *is* obsolete in Quebec. I don't know **how much this** reality is obscured in Anglo-America, but growing up in Quebec, never, NEVER, have I heard anyone come up to me and ask "hey, did you hear that last great 'chanson canadienne-française'", "do you watch 'la télévision canadienne-française'?", "What do you think of the 'culture canadienne-française'. Never have my parents referred to "us", the Quebec people or our family (or me, or them) as 'canadiens-français' (and they were not "Quebec nationalist" at the time at all). I witnessed a secondary school teacher of mine teach (more than once) to his students in history class that "You know, we weren't always called Quebecers!!", going on with the unveiling of the word "Canadien-français". "Canadien-français" is often now linked negatively to a Duplessis of Henri Bourassa like nationalism that is not of its time, opposed to the modern (civic) nationalism / sovereigntism. The Bloc did a thing some years ago when they said publicly that the French Canadian people was over and something like "Maintenant, que vive le peuple québécois". Jacques Parizeau himself said (a year ago I think) some thing about his deception with Lucien Bouchard that illustrates this. Speaking of why he left him be his successor instead of staying, he said: "I did not think that he were a French Canadian" (I remember the very next thing the reporter, Michel Vastel I think, said was something like "Can you imagine? That's serious"). About why this should be more accurately represented on Wikipedia (and/or elsewhere, in English and in other languages)... I'll continue on that and my other arguments tomorrow. Thanks. --Liberlogos 07:45, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

• You make my point nicely for me. Canadien-français may be obsolete, but French-Canadian certainly is not. As I said this is En wikipedia. And you address none of my other points. Regards, Fawcett5 08:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

The Right Honourable

It was decided a while ago that if we are to include "The Right Honourable" for Privy Counsellors we must also include it for peers below the rank of Marquess — to do otherwise would be inconsistent. (And you and I may know it's taken for granted for peers, but the average reader almost certainly doesn't, and can't be expected to have a copy of Debrett's Correct Form nearby to tell them.) Your comments would be welcome at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peerage if you disagree. Proteus (Talk) 23:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

• Obviously, we should not be including it for PC either - this is just the kind of nonsense that the style warriors have bullied down everyone's throats, largely by creating a false impression of consensus by aggressively polluting every article in sight with prenomial styles, all so they could keep "His holiness" in front of the pope's name. And I disagree that your having proposed the peer policy then declaring it decided a few weeks later is in any way binding or reflective of consensus. The consensus already existed as shown by the overwhelming LACK of RH in peer articles until very recently. Fawcett5 04:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Note that if we MUST have prenomials, for PC, there is at least ONE small justification for "Rt. Hon." prenomially rather than just as PC - postnomial PC can refer to both the British and Canadian PC, but the later typically confers only "The Honourable". This not typically a problem with peers Fawcett5 04:08, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Okanagan Photograph

That photo you have really adds quality to that article, were you just passing through the region or do you live there?

Roleypolinde 17:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Image:Flooded New Orleans school buses.jpg has been listed for deletion

An image or media file you have uploaded, Image:Flooded New Orleans school buses.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

(SEWilco 19:51, 4 September 2005 (UTC))

• No problem, I'm always glad to see a fair use image replaced with something in the public domain. Cheers, Fawcett5 22:14, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Suggestion for adminship

Hi Fawcett, Thanks for the vote of confidence. The answer is I am not sure. While having a revert tool and the ability to speedy delete would be quite handy, I am already spending too much time on Wikipedia to the detriment of my work work. If it came to a vote, I would have to be honest and say that my main work would be to work on articles and increase the knowledge available here, and that I would not partake much on admin duties such as patrols, etc., except in areas that interest me. That might just get me voted out.Luigizanasi 17:51, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

uncloaking

Hi,

Most of the anonymous IP contributions to wikipedia were made by my brother - althought some of her were done under my accound when I had forgotton to log out - he has since created an account User:Mike Drew - I have been contributing to wikipedia for a while now under my accound Dowew 17:57, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Bill White (activist) to Bill White (fascist)

I've got a question on the talk:Bill White (fascist) page that you might be able to answer. Thanks, -Willmcw 19:48, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

It seems to me that this title is PoV and non-encyclopædic (and probably inaccurate; being a racist pinhead doesn't entail the holding of fascist views.

None of the large number of double redirects seems to have been corrected. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:58, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

• OK, I have reconsidered this and have moved it back. Regards, Fawcett5 12:06, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Father David Bauer -> David Bauer

Please see Talk:David Bauer regarding your page move. -- Antaeus Feldspar 16:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Coronado/Alba

Hello, I've been away from Wikipedia for some months and I've recently come back. I was looking through my talk page and noticed that you'd said that Image:Coronadoportrait.jpeg was not, in fact, Francisco Coronado, but rather the Duke of Alba. I looked into this, searching for an image of Anthony More's portrait of the duke. I found this, which is admittedly quite similar to the supposed portrait of Coronado. Could this be the portrait you were referring to? Also, Google Image searches for "coronado" bring up the image I uploaded. I'm sorry it has taken me so long to reply. DO'Иeil 09:48, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, it looks to me as though More painted the duke more than once. Still leaves us without an image of Coronado though... Cheers, Fawcett5 11:46, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Dictionary of Canadian Biography Project

Thanks for the feedback you left on my talk page. Could you, perhaps, direct me to a Wikipedia article that draws mainly from the DoCBO article and which you feel can be held up as a great example? I'd find that helpful. Jkelly 16:42, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response, and the Louis Riel article is great. I don't mean to be a pest, but Louis Riel is a lot easier to research for additional sources than Francis Kelly (you cut all the additional research I did out of that article as irrelevant, which it was). Has someone from the project created a great article on someone really obscure? In the meantime, I'll stick to making stubs to avoid the paraphrase problem. Sincere thanks. Jkelly 03:51, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for your support in my RfA. I don't know if we've had much interaction before, but I notice from your userpage that you're a very active editor/writer, which is always nice to see. Take care. -R. fiend 17:13, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

LaLa

I was looking at User:LaLa's edit here, which sounded slightly rude to me. And then this one was made which seemed undeniably rude. Hence, the "please be civil" message I left. Hope this helps. Friday (talk) 14:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

re: dog fighting

Thanks for the warning, I already had my suspiciouns of said user but it seems that he (And his several possible socks) is going to have to be watched a lot more closely than I thought. Tekana (O.o) Talk 18:01, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Ditto. I do have pretty much all dog articles on my watchlist and can usually manage to add them as they're created. 71.131.10.235 20:14, 26 September 2005 (UTC) (That was me. Elf | Talk 20:23, 26 September 2005 (UTC))

Re: block request

Hi Fawcett, got your note. I've taken a brief look (I'm just doing some quick edits while waiting for things to compile) through the edit histories for Elf-Masher (talk · contribs), but 48 hours seems to me a little much right now. It also looks like he's not active right now since the last warning, unless he's come back under a different login (which may be when some of the other history is taken into account, but I don't see that in the article histories yet). Not knowing all of the history of the articles in question (although I'm starting to get an idea now), it doesn't seem to me as clear-cut a case for a two day block yet. I haven't imposed a block on anyone yet, so I want make sure I've got my ducks in a row (what's the old saying about not acting hastily when you're given a new power?); I'm probably missing something, but I only see one slur so far and that he's removed of some comments and reverted a few good faith edits. I'm still reading page histories before imposing any action. Have you brought this up on WP:AN/I? slambo 15:38, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Archiving

No problem, it's needed archiving for a while but I'd been putting it off. I figured if anyone really cared, they'd do it themselves - it's a wiki after all (-: Cheers, JYolkowski // talk 01:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Fawcett-- I appreciate your comments concerning my RfA. While I disagree with you that I have a "propensity" for personal attacks, I understand your concerns. If not promoted, I hope I can prove to you over the next few months that I would make a valued admin. Thank you for your time. --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 14:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

HJKeats and copyright violation of George Cartwright (trader)

Hi; I never meant for this article to be a copyright violation of the DoCB. I read the DoCB article and other material written about George Cartwright and kept it brief to only cover pertinent points, some words are similar. Would you be so kind as to point out the precisely the items that is causing the problem!

• See the extensive evidence I have provided on your talk page. Fawcett5 14:43, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Your fury with me is much unwarranted. I would suggest you tone down your anger you have directed towards me. If I fail to live up to the scrutiny of others who critic the articles I contribute, I would simply appreciate some guidance and understanding. I would never entertain the idea of jeopardizing the project. HJKeats 16:27, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

HJ, fury is far from the right word. Frustration is by far a more accurate characterisation — it's clear that you have the potential to be a valuable contributor, but if you persist in violating policy, I'll be left with no choice but to take action. As it is already, your pattern of behaviour has compelled me, as a wikipedia administrator, to scrutinise all of your recent edits for similar problems, which as you can imagine, will take a lot of time... Fawcett5 19:00, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

In your rancor to flush out all and any copyright violations that I may have inadvertently left within my contributions to Wikipedia has left me feeling slighted and cast in your mind as a common criminal. I get these feelings of animosity you display towards me are as a result of your words you leave behind in your trail of review. Your review is very welcome, as your experience and dedication to the DoCB initiative is very evident in the amount of effort you have placed in getting it into Wikipedia. I commend you for it. I believe your malice towards me can be better directed to spend your time correcting those copyright words or phrases that is causing you some much grief then to slander someone with your editing prose. You can always abide by Wikipedia’s alternative to possible copyright violations as noted on the Wikipedia:Copyright problems page Replace the article's text with new (re-written) content of your own:. Better still, inform me and I'll make the necessary corrections.

My goal as a native Newfoundlander was to get as much information into Wikipedia as possible about this fair province, its people and its history. I have met with many individuals including the head archivist at the Centre for Newfoundland Studies of MUN about Wikipedia and seeking support in its initiative. The method I have employed was to capture information in its electronic form and edit/rewrite such that it did not violate Wikipedia’s copyright suggestions. If I failed in achieving this then I would expect experienced and copyright experts to lend a hand and guide those of us who desire help. Not brow-beat them into submission such that they never write again. I feel that you have become a menace to me now and that any and every thing that I choose to add to Wikipedia will now be scrutinized by you and that your editorial’s will continue to inflame your already preconceived characterization of me whether it be for reason of prejudice or simply frustration.

I simply ask, is OK for me to continue writing articles for Wikipedia with your support and aid as opposed to your stalking and disdain. — unsigned comments from User:HJKeats.

HJ, You have this all wrong. There is no rancour or malice. In fact, I believe (as I have said before) that you have the potential to be a very valuable contributor to wikipedia, and I would encourage you to keep on contributing. There is no doubt that you have a unique and valuable insight into Newfoundland specific topics. But it is my obligation to flush out copyright violations when I see them, and I am certainly not "stalking" you... It was you who established a pattern of behaviour that lead me to review your other contributions, and indeed, significant problems were subsequently discovered. I'm not certain that I've discovered them all, so it is true that I and others will continue to scrutinize your contributions for some time — trust here is earned. In any case, I think you underestimate the threat that copyright violation and plaigarism pose to wikipedia... There is the potential for significant liability to exist even when copyright material is contained in the page histories, which is why standard procedure is to delete completely any articles that were based from the start on copyrighted material, and just start again. In fact, a new policy is now in place that allows blatant copyright violations to be deleted by administrators on sight. If you would like guidance, it is simple: stop ripping stuff off, and always use your own words. If you find yourself cutting and pasting material from a source article, there is probably the potential for trouble. As for making corrections to copvio articles, you are welcome to do so on any of the pages I marked Copyvio by creating a temporary subpage as indicated in the templates instructions. Just don't edit the version with the copyvio material in the history. And by the way, its presumptuous, at the very least, for you to suggest that MY time on the wiki would best be spent rewriting your copyright violation text. I have my own interests and projects, thank you very much, and would rather spend my time persuing these than fixing your mess. It is notable that you fail to mention the many improvements I have made to articles that you have contributed that seemed to be OK. Fawcett5 15:40, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Image:EditCountGraph.xls has been listed for deletion

An image or media file you uploaded, Image:EditCountGraph.xls, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

--Bash 22:17, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Image was a redundant orphan of my own creation, thanks for the heads up, it has been deleted Fawcett5 22:21, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Redirect on Type 1 diabetes mellitus

Could I have the rationale for this please? We have been trying to get thing reorganised on the Diabetes Mellitus page, and part of it consists spinning select sections into separate articles. We have already done this for both Type 2 and Gestational Diabetes, and I was just getting things started for the Type 1 diabetes mellitus spinout. --Coro 03:09, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

• Apologies, in the state I saw it looked like a bad and unnecesary fork. Fawcett5 03:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Court Templates

Hi,

I have removed the Canadian seal graphic and removed a couple of more lines from the court templates. I was not the original author of these templates but I noticed that the US Supreme Court justices had something similar and I found these ones and started to use them. I like them since they show the history of the justices in all the different courts. I would be disappointed to see them go. You are welcome to make more changes to them if you feel you can improve them. --YUL89YYZ 09:07, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't think your way will save space. Take a look at Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. to see what the US ones look like. I like the way you can track the justice and see his seniority rise as the other justices retire. Also I like the way these templates show the red-links for the justices who don't have articles yet (in Canada's case). --YUL89YYZ 18:16, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Photo at Vickers Viking

Thanks for the photo at Vickers Viking! FranksValli 05:30, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Logos

Image:Original Weylan Logo.jpg was actually a photo of an arm patch worn by the members of the crew in the original Alien movie and represented the fictional company they worked for. It found it hard to justify a fair use claim so I axed it since I was cleaning up the Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images page where it was listed. I will keep all real world logos unless they are not linked to an article, as Wikipedia is not an image repository. --Regards Nv8200p (talk) 21:13, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

DNA microarray

I'm still learning my way around here so thanks very much for your help and patience! Sorry if I added too many links. My goal was only to add a few more sources to have more complete data analysis and company listings, to better represent the field. I don't have any financial interest, being employed a molecular biologist / bioinformatics guy at a non-profit research institute. Cheers, Spongebobsqpants 13:05, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:CP

Hi, you've reported copyright infringements to WP:CP in the last week, a new measure was recently passed to allow the speedy deltion of new pages that are cut and paste copyvios. Please follow these instructions if you come across this type of copyvio. Thanks. --nixie 00:17, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Blatant copyright infringements may now be "speedied" If an article and all its revisions are unquestionably copied from the website of a commercial content provider and there is no assertion of permission, ownership or fair use and none seems likely, and the article is less than 48 hours old, it may be speedily deleted. See CSD A8 for full conditions. After notifying the uploading editor by using wording similar to: {{nothanks-sd|pg=page name|url=url of source}} -- ~~~~ Blank the page and replace the text with {{db-copyvio|url=url of source}} to the article in question, leaving the content visible. An administrator will examine the article and decide whether to speedily delete it or not.

John Sandfield Macdonald

I thought I put this in my edit summary but it seems I didn't: the Ontario legislature's website listing historical MPPs spells the name as MacDonald, hence my changing the spelling in the article (see [1], [2]) . Do we have a definitive source on this question, one way or the other?Homey 18:07, 7 October 2005 (UTC)