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A sad day for Wikipedia[edit]

Hello old Wiki friend. I have just seen your request to the crats to remove your adminship, and it greatly saddens me. The WMF clearly has no idea of the damage they have done to the project. Good luck. Moriori (talk) 08:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Moriori. I still expect to be involved as an editor.-gadfium 08:52, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, sorry to see you hand in your bit. I just had a look at my RfA...and you voted for me all those years ago :). Cheers and happy editing. Lectonar (talk) 10:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. I'm gobsmacked. I'm sorry to see you leave the ranks. Maybe I should have followed this whole saga more closely. Anyway, if anything needs doing that requires advanced permissions please don't hesitate to drop me a line. Just like I always did for many years. Schwede66 12:46, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Lectonar and Schwede66. I'm enjoying being able to focus on articles at present.-gadfium 19:11, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I hope the WMF gets a grip on themselves and you recover your spirits Gadfium. You were a good administrator. – Epipelagic (talk) 03:15, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Epipelagic.-gadfium 03:20, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – July 2019[edit]

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On the "constitutional crisis"[edit]

On 10 June, a part of the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) - the organisation which runs Wikipedia and related projects - called Trust & Safety (T&S) banned an administrator called Fram from the English Wikipedia for a year. This was an unprecedented action because previously T&S have only become involved in matters with legal implications, and they failed to explain why they banned Fram. Usually, problems on English Wikipedia are dealt with by the community of editors or by the elected Arbitration Committee (Arbcom). The ban created considerable unease amongst editors, which was not calmed by several statements from T&S as they were couched in bureacratic/legal language and failed to address the specifics. A way forward proposed by respected editor Newyorkbrad was rejected outright by T&S.

I followed the discussion with interest, and gave my support to Newyorkbrad's compromise proposal. When it was clear that the community's protest was not being heeded, I decided to make my own protest. On 22 June, I resigned as an administrator with the following post:

I have been dispirited by the recent action of T&S, and even more so by their refusal to explain their action in any meaningful way, to provide any mechanism for an appeal, or to negotiate on a compromise. I do not wish to hold advanced permissions on en.wikipedia in this situation. Please remove my administratorship.

More than 20 other administrators have also resigned over this. In some cases, they resigned because they disagreed with the community's opposition to T&S's action, but most resigned for similar reasons to me. Other editors stopped using administrator tools, or stopped editing articles until such time as the situation was resolved.

Others who resigned also stopped editing Wikipedia articles, but I took a different approach: I became more active in improving articles than previously. I don't know any details about Fram, and I don't particularly care whether or not they are banned, so long as the process is fair. I still very much care about the encyclopedia.

On 28 June, the WMF CEO Katherine Maher began to discuss the situation with the community on her talk page, and on 2 July, the WMF Board of Trustees issued a statement which directed T&S to work with Arbcom to review the case. Individuals on the board made it clear that Arbcom could overturn or alter the T&S ban if it saw fit. T&S provided detailed information privately to Arbcom on why they had banned Fram, and Arbcom has confirmed that although there are some redactions of names in that information, it is sufficient for them to open a case.

The three points I raised in my resignation have now been substantially addressed: T&S have explained their action to Arbcom, which will now consider the evidence and may overrule the ban, and the CEO is actively talking to the community. I will ask for my administrator position back, because I believe that the crisis is over.

I do think the WMF comes out of this badly because they failed to communicate with the community initially, and took a very long time to correct that. I think we need a management organisation which engages with the community in a more timely fashion. The turmoil of the last few weeks may be a wake-up call to them.

I am proud of the community of editors. We've been far from united on this, but in the end we succeeded in forcing the WMF to listen to us and to back down from their early refusal to compromise at all.

More information about the response to T&S's ban can be found at WP:FRAMSUM.-gadfium 04:41, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back to the team of administrators. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:52, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We'll soon have you back (after the automatic 24-hour-standdown period is over). That's awesome! Schwede66 20:55, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So glad to see this. Hoping for more resysops in the coming weeks. GABgab 21:14, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome back from me as well. I regarded your resignation as being particularly serious given that we have so few admins from NZ. It was principled to quit, and it's principled to return. Nick-D (talk) 22:57, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've not been highly engaged with the constitutional crisis but I'm impressed with both your principled stand and your good sense, which adds to my long-standing admiration of your WP activity. I'll be pleased to see you with the admin tools again. Nurg (talk) 01:19, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wellington[edit]

Tēnā Koe, Gadfium, it's Leavepuckgackle1998 here. I just wanted to thank you for your advice to help fix the Wellington article I heavily contributed to this afternoon. I read all your feedback carefully, and have corrected all the things you pointed out as being incorrect. However, I did not think it was appropriate how you reverted all my edits I worked so hard on instead of just fixing the two or three mistakes there. That's how we do it on Wikipedia. I'm sure you're a very expereinced editor, but please don't revert people's whole edits even though only 1% of them is a mistake. Please resist temptations from doing this. --Leavepuckgackle1998 (talk) 06:32, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Leavepuckgackle1998: I didn't say the first sentence was the only problem. Let's take the second sentence. One of the references is to a Wikipedia article. You cannot use Wikipedia articles as references for other articles. The other reference says "hundreds of years ago", not the "circa 925 CE" you give. If you are not familiar with recent developments in New Zealand archaeology, I suggest you read https://www.pnas.org/content/105/22/7676.full, which explains that earlier estimates of Polynesian settlement dates in New Zealand have been overturned by modern dating methods, and settlement prior to about 1280 CE is unlikely. More recent papers still suggest post 1300 CE dates. Unfortunately there are still many websites and history books which have not caught up to the state of research, and some Wikipedia articles which use such websites as references. We should not be propogating such incorrect material to more articles. Another issue in this sentence: It calls Kupe a Māori explorer, but the Māori culture developed in the centuries following settlement. Also, there is no historical evidence for his existence; he is a legendary figure. Kupe is according to legend a reknowned Polynesian explorer of the land now called New Zealand...
I did point out that the lead section should be a summary of the full article, rather than adding material which is not mentioned in the body. See WP:LEAD.
I suggest that you remove or rewrite all material you have added to the lede which is not supported by the body. It is not reasonable to expect other editors to do this for you. I do not have the time to go through and explain the faults in every sentence you have written.-gadfium 07:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't expect you to, I was just saying that if it was, say, BCE instead of CE (something that is clearly a typo) you could just fix that? Thanks.Leavepuckgackle1998 (talk) 10:32, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have replied on Leavepuckgackle1998's talk page.-gadfium 21:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really, really sorry, but it was an accident[edit]

Gadfium, I apologise for you for trying to rename Napier, New Zealand to Napier. I clearly didn't know how when I attempted it, but I did it in good faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leavepuckgackle1998 (talk • contribs) 03:11, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your selfless acts of kindness[edit]

Gadfium, hello. I know we’ve had our disagreements in the past, and I am sorry that happened. I highly respect you as an administrator, because that just shows your commitment to something you volunteer for. So I just wanted to say thank you again for unblocking me, and that I’m incredibly grateful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leavepuckgackle1998 (talk • contribs) 09:05, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – August 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2019).

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Care to comment?[edit]

I edited an article by removing four images and leaving three because it seemed to me to be overkill. User:Tahatai objected on my talk page and then there was further mention at Talk:Judith_Baragwanath where Tahatai said she would reinstate the images. I urged her not to. It would be appreciated if you could look to see if I am on the right track. Tahatai joined Wiki in March and has become a fine, competent contributor and I would hate to discourage her. If you don't agree with my removal of the images, I will restore them myself. Cheers. Moriori (talk) 01:29, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks User:Moriori : well said - happy to abide by this. My reasons are several and can be found on the Baragwanath Talk page. Tahatai (talk) 01:47, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A goat for you![edit]

For your work on Aka Aka.

Stuartyeates (talk) 22:42, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – September 2019[edit]

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Administrator changes

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Fascism in New Zealand[edit]

Hi, that's what I meant. the page should change the name. can you do it. I don't know how too. Evangelical10002 (talk) 09:49, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:Requested moves. I'm not convinced that changing Fascism in New Zealand to Far-right politics in New Zealand is necessary.-gadfium 19:26, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(this page should change its name Fascism in New Zealand to Far-right politics in New Zealand reason = Australia and many other nations have far right politics pages, 2 Far right politics would include more in the page.Evangelical10002 (talk) 13:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A cookie for you![edit]

Thanks for editing Wainoni, Christchurch! Poydoo (talk) 12:25, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics of Auckland[edit]

Hi there, the information is available for download as a WINRAR or spreadsheet by NZ stats. It's an estimate for the moment from the collective data they've given us (Asian, Maori, Pacific etc) and, though as more data comes out over the next month or so, the statistics themselves are pretty accurate (As seen in the rise of immigrantion to Auckland, compared to other places of the country). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foxterria (talk • contribs) 08:54, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – October 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2019).

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Arbitration

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Post by 123.31.43.63[edit]

Just curious. The post looked innocent. Does that user have some issues? WQUlrich (talk) 20:21, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@WQUlrich: If you look at the poster's contributions, you'll see they made very many identical posts to apparently random users, and several accounts previously have made the same disuptive edits: see Special:Contributions/Cebuah and Special:Contributions/Oklippn for examples. Their edits are being reverted and they are blocked for this disruptive editing, and breach of the guideline on WP:Canvassing.-gadfium 21:49, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Aha, I suspected they were trying to get someone with a bit more "status" to do questionable edits for them, so I made up an excuse to say no. I guess I really didn't need to answer at all. Thank You! WQUlrich (talk) 01:20, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edit on Marlborough Boys' College[edit]

Are you able to remove this edit? [1]. It outs a person with current name suppression. Ajf773 (talk) 09:32, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Already dealt with by Schwede66.-gadfium 17:46, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – November 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2019).

Guideline and policy news

  • A related RfC is seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure.

Arbitration

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Just FYI[edit]

Over at the ArbCom questions you said "I think their rights were removed by T&S so they could not unblock themselves", but admins can't unblock themselves anyway. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'd forgotten about that change.-gadfium 01:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm very flattered[edit]

It was a pleasant surprise to see you refer to one of my essays involving Arbcom in your question to candidates. And I have to admit that I giggled when you asked yourself too! Mostly, though, I'm pleased to see that the candidates who have answered so far seem to be of the "well, I'm already busy here, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing" mindset. I think it speaks to the relative maturity of this year's candidates. We as a community will be the real winners here, with so many solid candidates who really get it. Good luck, Gadfium. Risker (talk) 02:29, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Risker. It was a good essay!-gadfium 04:13, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2019[edit]

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Whakaari/White Island article title RM notice[edit]

You recently participated in a discussion on the title of the Whakaari/White Island article. I have made a formal WP:RM request at Talk:Whakaari/White Island if you care to weigh in. —  AjaxSmack  17:49, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers[edit]

Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry

This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.

No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well G. MarnetteD|Talk 11:56, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ihumātao[edit]

Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I would've considered a book source to be a better trust than an internet source. It takes effort to publish a book. Web pages can be created in a matter of minutes.--210.48.190.54 (talk) 00:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not citing the internet source. I'm using it as an example of the flakiness of paranormal phenomena, which is by the same author at the same site. Not all books are reliable sources.-gadfium 01:04, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – January 2020[edit]

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NRL Stats[edit]

Firstly, sorry about the message from the previous poster. However, I believe they are correct. For whatever reason the NRL does not include World Club Challenge matches in their official stats, any more than they do other trial matches. I don't personally have strong feeling one way or the other, except that we should stick by the stats of the competition organiser. Here's a link to support the change: [2] Doctorhawkes (talk) 06:48, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opinion on whether World Club Challenge matches count, but the IP is making numerous questionable edits, and their response to talk page posts is to delete them rather than present their evidence.-gadfium 07:14, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spit balling a bit.[edit]

I was thinking out loud the other day, how about a kiwiwiki? A somewhat tongue-in-cheek and tourist guide wiki, as part of wikimedia obviously. No BLP's, make up a "Chur" rating system for beaches, suburbs, shopping malls, parks, walks, the Johnkey way (bike tracks), pubs etc. Its task is to get some news coverage here (NZ), drive some new users to wiki in general and recruit more Maori editors, only 2 active currently. I viewed stupidwiki, a German parody site and it gave me pause, FYI, our anthem, according to them is "God shave the Sheep".
Second, thanks for correcting my edit today.
Lastly, I used to visit Ihuamoto, I may of been the "disembodied voice", reason withheld.
121.99.108.78 (talk) 08:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Have you seen kiwiwiki.co.nz? Last activity was about a month ago. They may welcome new contributors and new ideas.-gadfium 08:33, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just looked at that, yeah nah, and it would not meet any of the objectives above121.99.108.78 (talk) 09:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question on deletion of my addition to end of life care page[edit]

Hi there! I understand recommendations to sites that don't have a wikipedia page might not work for Wikipedia. I am confused though that the entire section I submitted was deleted and not just the links. The page had spiritual and medical aspects covered but completely left off the legal and financial aspects of end of life care. This is a critical step that if forgotten can lead to major medical and financial repercussions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EaseRoad (talk • contribs) 05:21, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving the content unsourced is not appropriate, because it may not be appropriate advice for all juridictions. A source to a suitable international body would be required.-gadfium 07:50, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – February 2020[edit]

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  • Following a request for comment, partial blocks are now enabled on the English Wikipedia. This functionality allows administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces rather than the entire site. A draft policy is being workshopped at Wikipedia:Partial blocks.
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Administrators' newsletter – March 2020[edit]

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Demonyms and adjectives[edit]

I don't get it. Why do that, when we don't write "Australia actress" for instance? Both are nationalities, not countries. What adjective is there except "New Zealander" for a person who is from New Zealand?-Mcc1789 (talk) 21:30, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at User talk:Mcc1789#Demonyms and adjectives-gadfium 21:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gadfium, we should have something about this on WPNZ so that we can refer to it. This happens all the time; this morning I tidied up an entry by User:Red Director, for example. Schwede66 22:19, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm not sure quite where on WPNZ this would go, but if we have it documented somewhere then we can point people to it. The conversation is evolving at User talk:Mcc1789, and I've realised this is not a New Zealand idiosyncrasy but part of a rule of English which is instinctive to me but I've never seen explained.-gadfium 22:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe here? Schwede66 03:07, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've added List of adjectival and demonymic forms for countries and nations to the project guidelines. The discussion at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2020 March 25#Demonyms ending with -er was interesting but not conclusive.-gadfium 05:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the update. I meant to check on that. Guess it is the standard usage. Odd. I'm still confused how there's no singular "New Zealander" denonym, given we have the plural "New Zealanders". Oh well. English makes no sense.Mcc1789 (talk) 16:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Happy First Edit Day![edit]

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Administrators' newsletter – April 2020[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2020).

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  • There is an ongoing request for comment to streamline the source deprecation and blacklisting process.

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Locked Out[edit]

Hello, I am the IP address of User:CityOfSails. I have been attempting to log in to that account but it kept saying Password Inccorect. I then requested a password reset email but it did not arrive. Now I have been completely locked out of Wikipedia. I cannot attempt to log in again with my password because it has been reset. I also cannot request another password reset email because Wikipedia would not send two reset emails to a single email address in one day. Can you please help me? 122.60.168.131 (talk) 01:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've replied at User talk:CityOfSails.-gadfium 01:28, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Watchlist request[edit]

Could you please add Christopher Luxon to your watchlist? Schwede66 02:30, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done-gadfium 02:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. The new editor has been at it again. A much better edit but there is an insistence in removing the reference. I wonder why that is. Schwede66 03:22, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect that description is a liability in New Zealand politics, but I expect National knows what their voters like.-gadfium 03:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes. General election is coming up and pages get an unusually high editor attention. Another one to keep an eye on is New Zealand Young Nationals. I count two SPAs with substantial input in the last 10 days, plus two editors who have a low edit count who have made substantial edits during that time. Schwede66 03:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

/* Membership */ an attempt at a neutral account of the reasons why VSM won.[edit]

Hi

I've made a couple of changes- I hope it works out. I think the events of the mid-to-late nineties at AUSA are an important part of its history, and the destabilization that resulted- deliberate or not (you know where I stand on that issue) can serve as important lessons for the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flootoo (talk • contribs) 13:50, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Flootoo: That's certainly better than the previous edit, which probably failed our policy on material about living people (assuming the person is question is still living).
Ideally you would find an account of the debate leading up to the referendum in some reliable source. The article in the New Zealand Herald Students pay high price for freedom, also published in the Otago Daily Times, is a good source but doesn't go into the background. I've just fixed the link to it in the article. If there are copies of Craccum from the period online then they might be useful, though articles in student newspapers aren't always written impartially.-gadfium 21:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Bablos939[edit]

User:Bablos939 appears to be a single agenda editor. All of his edits are about posting Chinese women with non-Chinese men on mixed marriage and prostitution articles while deleting information anout Chinese men with non-Chinese women. Recommend undoing all his edits. He is deleting massive amounts of sourced information giving false reasons and even changing sourced information to omit things or say things the sources don't say.Buzinezz (talk) 00:57, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I did notice his focus on a single issue. It's not a subject that I have any interest or expertise in, and I only interacted with Bablos on an article connected to New Zealand. Bablos hasn't edited for several weeks, so there doesn't seem to be an ongoing problem. If you think all his edits should be removed, you can do that yourself (it looks like you've started), or you can ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality/Sex work task force for people who regularly edit such articles to get involved.-gadfium 01:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Judging from what I found it is going to be an ongoing problem. I found Montalk123 who is banned, Chinese-proti who is also banned and Tongolss looking at other revisions of page histories. They appear to be the same person as Bablos939 and make the same types of edits on Chinese interracial marriage and prostitution for over a decade. They also appear to all be from South Korea. He attacks people he perceives to be against Koreans and in his edits on marriage and prostitution he deletes information about Korean women involved in marrying foreigners and prostitution claiming it's "sexist" in broken English while he does the opposite for Chinese women. User:Bablos939 inserted google books links with .kr, South Korea's domain. All three were doing the same things.Buzinezz (talk) 02:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thoughts on the Timeline layout[edit]

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Help with the Māori Wikipedia[edit]

Kia ora Gadfium, hope all's well. No doubt you'll be most interested in today's 4pm news conference.

I'm going through Wikidata entries with a view of ensuring that the New Zealand Gazetteer place ID is present. What I've found is that many Wikidata entries relating to the Māori Wikipedia are blank beyond the article name, and need merging with other Wikidata entries. I've just come across Allandale and Allendale; the former referring to the locality on Banks Peninsula and the latter to the locality near Fairlie in the Mackenzie District. The Mackenzie locality is missing from Google Maps (they do have the Allandale Lodge Bed and Breakfast, though) but more importantly, it is misspelled. I'm not sure how disambiguation works so can't move it myself. Could you thus please move mi:Allendale (d:Q65429408 is the related Wikidata entry)? I would regard the Banks Peninsula location as the primary topic as that one does show up in Google Maps. Schwede66 01:22, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66:mi:Allendale and mi:Allandale have exactly the same contents. Both were created by a bot on the same day, and never edited since. I suggest the appropriate action is to delete one of the entries, and it seems from what you have written that the one with the 'e' should go.-gadfium 02:51, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yes, all the Canterbury geo items have exactly the same content. But in this case, they cover different locations, as per d:Q65429408 and d:Q65429404. A better alternative to deletion might be to add some words that Q65429408 refers to the locality in the Mackenzie District on State Highway 79 near Fairlie. Schwede66 02:58, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Renamed Allendale to mi:Allandale (Horomaka), because that seems to be the more common term for Banks Peninsula, and I don't know what disambiguation to use for Fairlie or Mackenzie District. Updated d:Q65429404.-gadfium 03:20, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't want to be blocked[edit]

Gadfium, I am a new user who created an account yesterday and is now on an editing spree, mostly reverting vandalism. When I edit I feel like I will accidentally do something and get blocked for it. As you have been editing wikipedia for 16 years do you have any advice on how to not get blocked? Southern Lights (talk) 01:56, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just take care when you edit and use preview to make sure you haven't got the syntax wrong. If you revert vandalism, check the previous revision in case you are only restoring earlier vandalism. If adding content, make sure you add your source. Have a good time!-gadfium 03:05, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I note without much surprise that the above account has been blocked as a sockpuppet.-gadfium 09:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Auf Wiedersehen, Pet[edit]

Gadfium, your edits regarding 'McGowan' are incorrect. Michael Elphick's character was called 'Magowan'. Check the credits of episode 3, series 1. You will find it on YouTube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.139.86 (talk) 16:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted myself. Thanks for your note.-gadfium 18:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question on Martin Dreyer's Page[edit]

Hello Gadfium, in regards to your editing to Martin_Dreyer, could you please advise the reason that those two links been removed. In addition, are you working for Wikipedia & what's your role in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.29.31.115 (talk) 05:16, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Embedded links are discouraged on Wikipedia. See WP:External links, which starts by saying "Wikipedia articles may include links to web pages outside Wikipedia (external links), but they should not normally be placed in the body of an article." I am a volunteer editor, as are virtually all editors on Wikipedia.-gadfium 05:26, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What am I not seeing? Comment[edit]

The school rolls on the Kerikeri article puzzle me. Kerikeri Primary for example -- the roll is given at 487. Exploring the reference I see it is actually 535 which I think is more realistic. Is there something amiss with the reference markup, namely {{NZ school roll data|1034|y}}<ref>{{TKI|1034|Kerikeri Primary School}} ? Cheers. Moriori (talk) 03:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lcmortensen: who maintains the NZ school roll template.
The syntax is correct, although it's always worth checking that the TKI number is the same in both templates and is the correct one. I copy and paste these from article to article and mistakes are always possible. The TKI number is correct for this school. The template {{NZ school roll data}} is displaying the number it contains for that TKI.
I checked the most recent available roll for the school at https://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/data-services/directories/list-of-nz-schools where I used the "Download the whole directory" button, displaying it in Excel. This shows that the data is as of 1 May 2020, so it is more recent than the data in our template. The student population of this school is given in this data as 489, well within expected variation of the March 2020 figure being 487. I then checked https://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/find-school/school/population/year?district=&region=&school=1034 to see where the 535 figure comes from, and find it's from 1 July 2019. So our template is more up to date than the per school page on Education Counts!-gadfium 03:55, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Primary schools build up their rolls over the school year as five-year-olds start school, and then drops in December as Year 6/8 students graduate to intermediate or secondary school. The opposite is true for secondary schools; rolls decrease over the year as those 16 and over leave, and then increase in January as new Year 9s enrol. Also, New Zealand had a small "baby boom" in 2007-10, so a drop in rolls at primary schools is expected as the cohort moves through the intermediate years. Lcmortensen (mailbox) 04:46, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to you both. Interesting, Moriori (talk) 00:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pat Evison[edit]

Sorry, it wasn't YOUR changes to Pat Evison that I meant to revert, but the earlier several ones that made unreferenced changes, made a mess of formatting etc. Paora (talk) 22:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I was wondering whether to tackle the further issues in the article, but at the time I was following up something else and thought that would take too long.-gadfium 22:34, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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