User talk:Gatoclass/Archive 1

Archive of 2006

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Spam to multiple users (13 of them)

Hi. From comments on Sam Spade's RfC, I got the impression that quite a few users, including you, were in favor of an RFAr on Sam, though no one liked, or perhaps had the time, to be the one to post it. If I were to start a request on the RFAr page, would you be interested in signing as an involved party, and/or write a short statement there? I'm asking because if people have lost interest, there's obviously not much point in my doing it; it would merely distress and aggravate Sam unproductively, which I've certainly no wish to do. I wouldn't supply any examples of my own, as I haven't edited any of "Sam's articles" for a long time (couldn't stand it, that's why I stopped), but would basically simply refer to the RfC. It seems to me that anybody who wanted to endorse such an RFAr could more or less do the same, as the RfC is so complete. It's full of evidence, and its talkpage gives a view of Sam's attitude. I believe that it's important for the encyclopedia and the community that the old dog should learn new tricks, but please don't think I want to put the least pressure on you or anybody else to take part in an RFAr if you'd rather not. Bishonen | talk 02:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC).

To Gatoclass:

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cite vs allege

Well done! —Tamfang 17:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) Gatoclass 18:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Soviet Losses

Hi:
Let me know if you need help on the issue of the Soviet death toll under Stalin. Wikepedia is great because it challenges people. --Woogie10w 23:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC) I just picked up Ann Applebaum's book "Gulag", it think you may find it of interest. The freeking publisher quoted at figure of 4.5 million Gulag deaths in the review of the book. Appelbaum does not cite that figure. In any case I look forward to reading her book.--Woogie10w 16:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC) Appelbaum has an appendix on the death toll in which she points out that those official statistics on Gulag deaths are as soft as shit because they dont include deportations and deaths in transit. --Woogie10w 17:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I just picked up a book today "A Century of State Murder?" by Michael Hayes and Rumy Husan. The book covers the issue of human losses in Stalin's USSR and its demographic background. The book has a left of center POV--Woogie10w 00:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Applebaum should be your source for the death toll section because she covers the topic in a clear and concise manner and her book is readily available. Also cite the article by Ellman 'Soviet Repression Statistics' that points out the fact there are still areas that need furthur investigation and that the official total of 2.7 million dead is not carved in stone. I want to read Wheatcroft's book on the famine, I understand that he argues that Andreev's data is incorrect and that the demographic loss of 1933 was 4.5 million rather than 7.0 million. --Woogie10w 10:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

SuperDeng

No. SuperDeng has a very distinctive writing style. He was blocked for month for things unrelated to Stalin or me. Nixer uses punctation.Ultramarine 19:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

LOL, okay, I'll take your word for it. They seem to have a very similar mindset tho :) Gatoclass 19:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Apologies

For undue inferences on the Stalin page. It's just that I am very, very keen on the incrementalist tactics of Stalin apologia and am sensitive to selective uses of sourcing on the matter. I don't like to work much on the topic precisely because it brings out emotion and rhetoric from many parties, and I don't exclude myself from that. You also won't see me anywhere near much having to do with Israel-Palestine either, but there are qualified editors working 'round the clock on those, whereas Stalin just gets kicked along once in a while.

As I stated there, I have Applebaum's book, and I believe you mentioned that you might look up a copy. I strongly recommend that you do. It is one of the better works on Soviet repression from recent years. --TJive 06:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

incrementalist tactics of Stalin apologiaWow. That was great. Exactly how I feel on the issue.

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We should be discussing this dude, not fighting revert wars again. Lets talk before making changes.--JohnFlaherty 09:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure that the whole page should not be deleted. At the very least it shouild be taken down and reworked - a massive undertaking. It is too suseptible to bias (Like yours and mine).--JohnFlaherty 17:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

It occured to me we might get on a tad better if we know something about each other.

I was away a B-day party for my newphew today, and tomorrow is father's day (I have two children) so I may not be around much in the next 48 hours, but if you care to, you can e-mail me at jwmf@comcast.net. Tell me about yourself. I will do the same.--JohnFlaherty 00:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Stalin

Hah! I was stymied by your comment, so I went back through the versions before I was about to sign off. It looks like a portion of my objections to the Stalin page was due to some error with the diffs. I was reading what was essentially the anon's version that had put in a low summation at the very bottom. Most of my other edits were intended to simply reorganize the section and fix various things, mostly minor (which are still issues in the current version), so I'll come back and comb through tomorrow and hash out the differences in talk. I appreciate the fact that you left the tag. --TJive 10:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Dweller's naff, unsophisticated smiley award

I, Dweller, am delighted to make Gatoclass the 1st recipient of "Dweller's naff, unsophisticated smiley award", for humility and good grace. :-) --Dweller 20:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Request for

The move/revert war issue for Israeli Apartheid has been referred to arbitration. See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Move and revert warring at Israeli Apartheid /SlaveCrixus 17:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Apartheid (disambiguation)]], and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. /SlaveCrixus 17:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Islamic apartheid

Please see my merger proposal at Talk:Islamic_apartheidHomey 04:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration

You presence is requested at the Arbitration Re: Removal of humus sapiens admin privilages due to administrative abuse. Please click Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration Israel Article--Oiboy77 16:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Irgun and terrorists

Gatoclass, I'm not inclined to getting into a revert war about Irgun - I'm not a fan of theirs, either; though I think their history is a lot more involved than most people realize. I would strongly recommend that you read the article about them here in Wikipedia. Take note that we have not been able to verify all the attacks attributed to them - one of these days I'll look up back issues of the Palestine Post to see what was reported.

On the other hand, if we are to avoid the term "terrorist" about Hamas, Hizballah, PFLP, Tanzim, or even Fatah; then we have to return that "favor" to Irgun. We should strive for consistency in our terminology, and your phrasing in the Deir Yassin is highly prejudicial at this point. Let's try to work this out in an NPOV way. --Leifern 17:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Please trim your statement on Requests for arbitration

Thank you for making a statement in an Arbitration application on Requests for arbitration. We ask all participants and commentators to limit the size of their initial statements to 500 words. Please trim your statement. If the case is accepted, you will have the opportunity to present more evidence. Neat, concisely presented cases are much more likely to be understood and accepted.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 11:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 13:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you trim your contribution to the "Evidence" page to remove opinion. Try and just keep it to Evidence ;) - FrancisTyers · 13:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre

This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

Guy Montag is banned from articles which relate to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Guy Montag's Probation under the terms of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Yuber#Guy Montag placed on probation is extended to include one year from the final date of this decision. KimvdLinde and other administrators are encouraged to effectively enforce Guy Montag's Probation in appropriate circumstances. Should Guy Montag violate any ban imposed by this decision he may be blocked for an appropriate period. All blocks are to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre#Log of blocks and bans.

For the Arbitration Committee. Arbitration Committee Clerk, FloNight 00:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)