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Thai constitutional referendum, 2016

The reason I removed "and will stay in power until the succession has been completed" is because it's unclear what it means. What succession? New elections? New Prime Minister? New King? Can you clarify this, otherwise it will need removing. Cheers, Number 57 22:49, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

@Number 57: Oh man, it is a long story. Thai king is probably the most influential person in Thai politics. Recently he is terribly ill and the royal succession is imminent. One reason for the 2014 Thai coup d'état is the royal succession (although not officially, of course). The sentence "and will stay in power until the succession has been completed" thus explain why the military junta "crave" to stay in power in this particular moment. And if you have any objections, please notice that even BBC, a secondary source, mention this, so you should not just delete it. --Horus (talk) 13:11, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

So you are saying it refers to the royal succession? Number 57 13:42, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I am. --Horus (talk) 17:47, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

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Your para on lese majeste does not make any sense to me

You reverted my deletion of this paragraph. Fair enough, but could you explain the presence of this paragraph? I said it was a non sequitur, because it seems to add nothing to the general discussion and seems to be at odds with the reality that lese majeste sentences are generally harsh. I am still inclined to removing the para unless you convince me otherwise. Seligne (talk) 04:57, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

@Seligne: Lese majeste is indeed harsh but also ridiculous. The paragraph does show that on top of punishment written in the Criminal Code, the court also use punishment beyond the law, which was writing a song in this case. I think this has the same significance as the case of attempting to lese majeste is punishable by law even if it could not be found in the code. --Horus (talk) 09:19, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Something here does not add up. You say that courts use punishment "beyond the law". That is undoubtedly true. But the para you added says that "A judge in a lèse majesté case, which a man was sentenced to seven years and six months in prison, said he would have given a longer sentence, but was advised on the shorter term by the court's deputy president." That means the judge used his power, albeit on the advice of another, to lessen a sentence, not increase it. A result that refutes your argument. I am going to eliminate this para. If it confuses me, it will confuse others. Seligne (talk) 14:02, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

How is that? Do you know the punishment allowed under Thai Criminal Code? The harsh part is not the issue here. The issue of the paragraph is the ridiculous part where judge can order anything beyond the law. --Horus (talk) 19:45, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Horus I saw you asked a question earlier that I didn't answer. Here at English Wikipedia I placed a maintenance tag on all the I Can See Your Voice Thailand specifically the WP:NTV tag. Unlike Thai Wikipedia this doesn't mean the article will be deleted within a set amount of time. This is to alert editors of an issue that needs addressed with the articles. Now if these articles was about an English language TV show I would have done what's called a good-faith search for sources. If I was unable to find any sources about the program just by searching I would have placed a {{prod}} (proposed deletion) tag on the articles. If no one objects to the proposed deletion then after 7 days an administrator can delete them. This is used for uncontroversial deletions. The other option is to send them through the articles for deletion process which allows the English Wikipedia community to discuss the articles. Most discussions are closed after running 7 days and an administrator will follow through with the consensus.

The way I decided to handle these articles was to place the maintenance tag first in hopes other editors would see it and help correct the issue. I don't speak Thai and I have a hard time trying to find sources in another langue than English. If I personally don't see any improvement after six months I'll revisit the articles and either redirect the season articles to the parent article or send them through the articles for deletion process. Now if another editor sees these articles and thinks the best course of action would be to delete them that editor can start the articles for deletion process at anytime. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 09:26, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

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No U --Horus (talk) 03:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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Nowrap

Thanks for making this edit — should the nowrap be introduced to the {{menu icon}} template itself? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:56, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb: I do not have particular opinion about it. If you think there should always be on the same line, then yes, an automatic nowrap could be beneficial. --Horus (talk) 09:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Horus,  Done. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

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@Johncdraper: I don't get the purpose of your mail. --Horus (talk) 16:58, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

You got the link to the file, right? It's a solid citation, by a Thai (not foreign) source, and so although in English may be of use on the Thai wiki. But, I don't know anyone there. Johncdraper (talk) 18:13, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I did. Thank you, but its content is not particularly new or interesting. I did a considerable research on 2019 election myself and currently its a GA on ThWP. --Horus (talk) 19:37, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

How about translating key Thai pages to English, with me providing citations? Johncdraper (talk) 20:25, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

I think I will mainly focus on 2020 protest and lese majeste article here on enWP. I still have much to do in ThWP. --Horus (talk) 20:35, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay. LM is on my watchlist. Again, you write, I cite ;,) Also, can you ask anyone over at the Thai version of COVID-19 pandemic in Thailand to help update the WPEn page? Again, they write, I cite. Johncdraper (talk) 08:06, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

We need a page for Pavin. Any chance we can get the WP:TH page translated? Johncdraper (talk) 08:05, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I'll look into that. --Horus (talk) 08:08, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure he's Kyoto, not Tokyo University. Can you check? Johncdraper (talk) 11:46, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I have another request for a quick translate from WP:TH - Rienthong's 'Rubbish Collection Organization'. Can do? Johncdraper (talk) 22:00, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

You can look up the source provided there, only 2 pages long. --Horus (talk) 06:39, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay, this is now up at Rubbish Collection Organization. Would you pls. help with the Infobox, link to 2020 Thai protests, and hotcat it?

Thanks. Would you please do the same for this: Cyber Scouts (Thailand) ?Johncdraper (talk) 13:18, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Formally, changchat = sedition? Johncdraper (talk) 08:39, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

"changchat"? --Horus (talk) 10:05, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

https://www.newmandala.org/lese-majestes-new-face-hides-old-tricks/

Chang chat = nation haters: derogatory term, not formal --Horus (talk) 10:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

This User:Thirasankhpp tried adding Andrew McGregor Marshall and I think some of the actors from the conspiracy theory to the sidebar/article. I try to clean it up but defer to you on this.Johncdraper (talk) 21:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I just created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Sanction_(Thailand). Please check it out and see if you need to do anything to clean it up.Johncdraper (talk) 10:36, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@Johncdraper I actually have never heard of it. Nice catch though. --Horus (talk) 21:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Need to Update Internet censorship in Thailand page

You want to update this, with me? I am currently updating the Freedom House page. Johncdraper (talk) 10:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I work on my own pace at the moment, but if you don't mind, you can send me sources. --Horus (talk) 10:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

This is the 2019 Freedom House report. Thailand gets an infobox! Johncdraper (talk) 12:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

2020 Thai protests

Hi Horus, I really appreciate the work you're putting into the article on the 2020 Thai protests. I'm just dropping you a message because I've restored a couple of wording changes that you reverted, and wanted to let you know why. I made the changes in order to ensure the article has a WP:NPOV, specifically maintaining a neutral WP:WIKIVOICE ("prefer nonjudgmental language, do not editorialize") and an WP:IMPARTIAL tone ("try not to quote directly from participants engaged in a heated dispute; instead, summarize and present the arguments in an impartial tone"). Saying that the death threat is 'tyrannical' adds nothing to the reader's understanding of the facts, and besides, death threats by government leaders are awful in any situation. The section headers should be short, factual and clear to aid the reader – the state of emergency may be described as "severe", but it is factually a state of emergency and that's what the reader needs to know (the information in that section is about the state of emergency). Keeping emotionally charged language in the article detracts from its overall value, as it can lead readers to suspect that there is ingrained bias. The best way to create an informative article on a controversial but important issue like this is to properly maintain impartiality – that way readers form their own views based on the facts and analysis that matters most. All the best, Jr8825 • Talk 18:57, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jr8825: As per the quote, I understand your reasoning and I will no longer edit "use of deadly force", but I think adding "tyrant" (with quotation marks) quality from the protesters' viewpoint does not overly biased when a right-wing viewpoint is inserted at the end of the paragraph. And as for "severe state of emergency", there are two reasons for it. Firstly, the state of emergency (non-severe one) was in force since March, so to say it is enforced only a few days ago was factually incorrect. Secondly, the term is legal terminology; the media did not made this up. Regards, --Horus (talk) 19:03, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

For the section header, I suggest paraphrasing for clarity (i.e. "New state of emergency" or "Strengthened emergency powers"), or if you feel those don't communicate the meaning clearly enough, then quote marks should be used at the very least: "Severe" state of emergency/"Severe State of Emergency". I think the article needs to explain there was already an existing, weaker state of emergency, as it doesn't do so at the moment and this is quite important in explaining why it's called severe. Perhaps this information belongs in the section on the first wave of protests as well. Readers who are unfamiliar with the issue might presume it's editorialising on Wikipedia's part without this. I disagree with you about the inclusion of 'tyrant' – it isn't particularly notable that groups protesting against an authoritarian government are calling it tyrannical, and this is a good example of where we need to follow an impartial tone. Perhaps you can say that the protesters were "outraged" if you want to convey the strength of feeling (Khaosod's phrasing, I didn't add this myself as I wasn't sure if other outlets used the same language, if they do then there's a stronger case for using this language). I don't want to get involved in an edit war with you, but I encourage you to think about whether including 'tyrant' adds anything to the information or is likely to make a reader think any differently about the issue, given that they'll have read the rest of article by that point anyway. It's not so much about bias as about balanced tone – would it really be biased if 'tyrant' is excluded? On top of this, I don't think it follows the WP:IMPARTIAL policy, as I said above. Jr8825 • Talk 19:33, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Your paraphrased section heading is nice and would not need an explanation in detail. As for the "tyrant" quote, I would like to raise examples of many politics-related Wikipedia articles, which include text along the line of A said this, and B said that. This is not editorializing Wikipedia, as the text itself state who said it. It's a narration of a viewpoint, not summation of the undeniable truth. --Horus (talk) 19:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I'll defer to your judgement on this, as you're more familiar with the topic. Thanks for making the adjustment to the header. If I can find the time later I'll try to give the article a proper read through to see if there any issues with phrasing/contextual information that can be improved. Cheers, Jr8825 • Talk 19:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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@Twofingered Typist: In cases of Thai source, do you suggest translate and quote it in the footnote? Thank you for your time btw. --Horus (talk) 18:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hello, I would like to say that there is no election article editing in any country that directs the last party as the other. You don't understand this kind of election information box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.20.229 (talk) 17:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Well I guess this abomination of a table will be sorted out after the election day anyways (smaller parties would win no seats). So, whatever. --Horus (talk) 17:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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