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19:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Pro wind turbine bias in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_wind_power (first sentence minimizes huge problems)

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To whomever wrote the bulk of the article: The opening sentence about wind power contains a subjective opinion ("...relatively minor") which is contradicted by the article itself in many places, yet those sections also downplay issues with toneless language. The root of the bias is probably the obsession with fossil fuels as our biggest environmental problem, while vast renewable energy sprawl gets a green light via subsidies. The visual impact of recent fracking is less widespread and visible than wind turbines due to its smaller infrastructure and geographical constraints. Wind turbines (and large solar arrays) are treated as green despite major landscape impacts in addition to existing damage from mining and drilling. Wind power advocates often change the subject to older energy scars, as if wind power isn't spreading blight onto landscapes that have no history of energy development.

Misleading statement: "The environmental impact of wind power, when compared to the environmental impacts of fossil fuels, is relatively minor."

Truthful statement: "The environmental impact of wind power, when compared to the environmental impacts of fossil fuels, is relatively minor in terms of carbon emissions but very significant in terms of visual impact from extremely large structures and access roads in rural areas that would normally not see such development. This includes siting wind turbines on mountain ridges with significant road building, foundation blasting and permanent removal of trees for tower clearances. Noise introduced into formerly quiet areas can be highly intrusive due to topography and other factors, such as time of day, wind speed and direction. Wind turbines are also causing a large number of bird and bat deaths in addition to existing sources of mortality. In the case of bats, deaths are caused by pressure differentials that are unique among man-made structures." (include articles on bird/bat mortality: https://www.google.com/search?q=wind+turbines+kill+birds+bats)

There is also obvious visual bias in the article, a common trick of the industry. It includes one photo of cows with a single wind turbine in the distance, greatly minimizing the size and number of those machines. An honest photo of environmental impact would show ruined scenic areas, e.g. http://s10.postimg.org/xukg322op/AES_Laurel_Mountain_wind_and_storage_3.jpg (mountaintop removal by any other name) or https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/BANGUI_WINDMILL,ILOCOS_NORTE_2.jpg (nice beach becomes an industrial park). Those are just two of thousands you could find, so why choose the most benign photo in an article about environmental impact? If you must stick with the farm theme, at least use a photo like this, which shows how large and numerous they are: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oesterwurth_kuhs_m_winrads.jpg

If you aren't able to admit that wind turbines are causing major problems in the full context of "the environment" (which includes the landscape and other aesthetic issues) please at least cite this 1998 formal complaint in the article: https://www.google.com/search?q=1998+Darmstadt+Manifesto+wind+energy

I'm as big an environmentalist as anyone and consider these machines to be a major "tragedy of the commons." There are a quarter million on the planet already and their numbers are set to greatly expand. Any article on wind turbines needs to treat them as a growing presence (I prefer the word plague) instead of a static level of impact that won't get worse. Thank you for any help in making the article more honest.

A.J. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.166.24 (talk) 20:59, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm not "whoever wrote the bulk of that article"—I never even looked at it until today. You have some valid concerns, I'd say, but you come off almost as ranting against wind turbines, and for the most part (not entirely!) doing original research. (Take a look at those linked pages. Very important stuff for Wikipedia.) If you have concerns about the article, I would say the best place to discuss them would be on the article's Talk page.
I don't have much in the way of time or mental energy to get too deep into this, but I can try to point you in the right direction if you have questions. Cheers! Ignatzmicetalk 07:06, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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