User talk:Ijyoung

Your edit to Brown trout

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Speedy deletion nomination of SY Patea

Hello Ijyoung,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged SY Patea for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks, Dewritech (talk) 09:56, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of SY Patea for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article SY Patea is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SY Patea until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Dewritech (talk) 10:27, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: the AFD for SY Patea is discussed here.-- Dewritech (talk) 11:00, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Ijyoung. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Seagull Trust Cruises, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{edit COI}} template)—don't forget to give details of reliable sources supporting your suggestions;
disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI);
avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming);
do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Please don't remove references or maintenance templates without discussion. Are you involved with this organisation? Tacyarg (talk) 16:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your message

I am the Vice Chairman of Seagull Trust Cruises.

I removed some references as they were outdated and, in some cases, incorrect.

Kind regards

Ian J Young

Vice Chairman

Seagull Trust Cruises

(Scottish Charity No SC 027163).

Incorporated in Scotland as a company limited by guarantee

Company Number SC179736

Registered Office: The Boathouse, South Bantaskine Road, Bantaskine Estate, Falkirk FK1 5PT. Ijyoung (talk) 17:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. As you have a conflict of interest, please don't edit the article directly, but request changes on the article's Talk page. Tacyarg (talk) 17:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what you are talking about here. I have nothing to do with Brown Trout!! Ijyoung (talk) 07:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I haven't mentioned that. I'm referring to Seagull Trust Cruises, for which you have said you have a conflict of interest, so should not edit the article directly. You can request changes to it on the article's Talk page. Tacyarg (talk) 07:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok

First things first - the top of this page says Brown Trout - which I has nothing to do with me.

Not sure where you got the impression that I have a conflict of interest. I am a volunteer and Vice Chair of the organisation so cannot have a conflict of interest, quite the opposite, I have a duty of care as a director of the charity to ensure that the content is correct. The individual who created the page is no longer alive but was a volunteer with the charity at the time.

There will be a number of changes over the next week or so to bring the page up-to-date.

Kind regards

Ian Ijyoung (talk) 08:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have removed the changes - including the logo.

I would be obliged if you would reinstate the changes as these were correcting errors and updating information.

Why would you remove the logo for a charity. FYI. We do not charge money for our cruises - so income is not the objective. We are trying to publicise as wide as possible the service we provide.

I look forward to hearing from you Ijyoung (talk) 08:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, please request this on the article's Talk page using {{edit COI}}. Please don't remove tags from the page as you have just done. Tacyarg (talk) 09:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You still havent addressed the issue of 'conflict of interest' and why I cannot make the changes myself. Ijyoung (talk) 10:06, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having read the guidelines on COI, I cannot see how I, as an unpaid volunteer and director of the organisation can have a conflict of interest. I am responsible for this page and as stated previously, I have a duty of care of what is published on the internet about our charity.

You can verify both the organisation and my credentials on companies house.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC179736/officers

I look forward to an early resolution of this issue

Ian J Young Ijyoung (talk) 10:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, if you want a speedy response you are probably best off asking on the teahouse. Tacyarg (talk) 10:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why not just comply with my request to reinstate the changes. You were quick enough to revert them Ijyoung (talk) 10:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've asked at the Teahouse whether someone can support you re the logo. Tacyarg (talk) 19:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I've re-added the logo to the article per the request mentioned above. However, I need to clarify a few things here, because you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of Wikipedia's purpose.

You are absolutely not responsible for this page. No one owns or controls Wikipedia articles, and they are all edited by volunteers. That's how this works. We're not a web host where you get to control the entirety of the content, nor are we a platform for promotion. If you're interested in full control of the content, use your organization's website, not Wikipedia.
As for a conflict of interest, yes, you absolutely do have one. There is no question there. COIs don't need to involve payment, just a connection. As a director of the organisation, it seems not many people can even possibly have a stronger connection to the subject than you.
Wikipedia cares about verifiability, not truth. This means we only care what reliable sources say about a subject, not necessarily all that is true about it. This means you cannot add information without citing it to a reliable source.
I advise you to read this essay in whole for more information: When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. Specifically, focus on this sentence: Do not edit an existing article about your company or boss directly. You may instead use our edit request wizard to request that an independent editor review changes you'd like made to the article.

Let me know if you have any further questions. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for reinstating the logo. That is much appreciated.

There are a large number of corrections that need to be made to the article, and whilst I understand that we dont own the article, it is incumbent on all of us, Wikipedia included to ensure that what you have on your pages is correct.

One example, is in the opening paragraph where it says - 'The Trust was formed..'. It is not a Trust since it became a charity. This is all verifiable. I can give the link to the charity's page on OSCR.

The number of boats is incorrect and indeed one of the boats - Woodenspoon Seagull no longer exists.

I find it incredible that someone from the charity isnt allowed to edit an existing article even if it has errors or is out of date.

However, if the way forward is that I have to request changes, then so be it, but there will be many.

Your instructions on how to do this are not clear.

So how do we move forward

Regards

Ian Ijyoung (talk) 06:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I did specify above, use the edit request wizard. That tool will guide you through requesting specific changes to the article, along with providing reliable sources to back them up. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 15:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thats what I did.

Used the edit request wizard. Changed the name to what it should be with reference to the organisations entry in the charity independent regulator and registrar. Put the reasons why - as requested. Rest was just tidying up the prose for clarity and then submitted Ijyoung (talk) 15:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]