User talk:Indian Dignity

February 2021[edit]

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Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 15:04, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary, as you did at Toplessness. — Czello 16:50, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion[edit]

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:17, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. sampo (talk) 15:56, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Toplessness; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Most of you Westerners want to portray India as an ancient nudist country whereas nudity is a part of you people's culture. You are unethical in your mentality. You all should refrain from doing so. Indian Dignity (talk) 16:45, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours to prevent further vandalism. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Unblock-auto Please unblock me. I have valid evidences in support of the fact that my edits were authentic. Indian Dignity (talk) 19:25, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You were not blocked because you did not present evidence of the change you wanted to make, you were blocked because you were blatantly and disruptively WP:Edit warring against five other editors. I requested on the article talk page that you provide your sources, and you simply continued to edit war, trying to force in your desired change without discussion -- that never works. The material you were removing is sourced, it should not be removed from the article without a discussion on the talk page which arrives at a WP:CONSENSUS to do so. When your (very lenient) block runs out, you can go to the talk page and present the evidence that you feel supports your position. Do not, however, return to edit warring, because blocks generally get longer in time as you accumulate them. I guarantee that everyone on the talk page will evaluate your evidence, and compare it to the evidence supporting the current information, and make their decision on that basis, but you have to be willing to stand by that group consensus decision even if it goes against you, that's really the social core of Wikipedia. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:35, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, making broad generalized statements like Most of you Westerners want to portray India as an ancient nudist country is not going to help you win anyone over to your side. That information you want to remove is only in the article because it's supported by a citation from a WP:reliable source, it would never have been accepted otherwise, so your beef is not with Wikipedia, or its editors, or with the whole Western world, it's with the source, and the only way you're going to prevail against it is to present better sources. I'm going to warn you, though, that if both sources seem equally reliable and valid, what's likely to happen is that the information will stay in the article, along with a refutation from the other source(s) you provide. We don't take sides, we just present what the sources say, and if they say "A" and "B", we present "A" and "B" to our readers. Remember that Wikipedia is not about "truth" per se, we're all about WP:Verifiability. So if you're here to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, things may not go the way you hope they will. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:42, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. Thank you for responding to my message. I guess 31 hours is over and now I may be unblocked. I have collected some evidences and I really want to share all those with you editors. Indian Dignity (talk) 21:43, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_clothing_in_the_Indian_subcontinent This is a reliable evidence Indian Dignity (talk) 06:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As I explained at great length on the article's talk page, it is not a reliable source, because WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:12, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agaiin, to repeat what I wrote on the article talk page, before our discussion there can continue, I must insist that you read WP:V, about why information on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable, WP:RS, on what constitutes a reliable source which can be cited, WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source, on why Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source, and WP:SPS, on why self-published sources, like blogs, are also not considered to be reliable sources. Once you understand these mandatory policies and are willing to follow them, then we can have a fruitful discussion.

To this point, you have cited 4 Wikipedia articles, a blog, a 199-page book without referencing a specific page, and a museum's website. I remind you that you are trying to prove a point, that at not time in India's history before the Muslim invasion, women in no region of India ever conventionally did not wear an upper garment. That's a difficult thing to prove, but it could be done if you would just put the time and effort into finding the right kinds of sources. As of now, we have sources that say that it did happen that women went topless in some parts of India at some times before the Muslim invasion, so against that sourced positive declarative statement, you need to provide evidence of the opposite, that it never happened. Your sources so far have either not done that, or have been unusable.

I am quite willing to engage with you on the article talk page, but you must provide evidence that actually proves your point, and which is acceptable to be used on Wikipedia. So far you have done neither of those things, so I'll be resigning from that discussion until you do.

Just a warning, though, if you decide to continue to vandalize the article by removing sourced material without a consensus to do so, your edits will be reverted, and you'll most probably end up being blocked again. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:10, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

<redacted> Indian Dignity (talk) 07:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I removed your last post because it was a WP:Copyright violation, as I explained on the article talk page. Over 34,000 bytes is much, much larger than the maxiumum we're allowed to quote, per copyright law and our WP:NFCC policy. Beyond My Ken (talk) 09:01, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

June 2021[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Toplessness. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Laplorfill (talk) 15:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have added contents as to what kind of clothes Indian females used to wear before Muslim conquest in India other than sarees when they were not topless. I gave verified information as well. Hence there is no use of removing my edit and retaining the original half-informed article. Please help me in adding content. Indian Dignity (talk) 15:54, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You attempted to reach consensus for these specific edits back in February. It was clear on the talk page that these edits do not have consensus. A compromise was reached and implemented. You should not continue to edit war to put your preferred version into the article against consensus. Laplorfill (talk) 16:29, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for replying so late. I was not active on Google all these days. All I have to say is that, majority of Wikipedia Admins are Westerners like you who have very barbaric and uncivilised mindset about girls and woman besides having an uncivilised racist mentality. This is why you people simply distorted Indian history and culture in many places including in this Wikipedia. Indian Dignity (talk) 17:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]